MOAB, is it worth it?

Mmmmasonite · Apr 1, 2011

ProdigyGrower said:
anyway I think I got way off of the subject overdrive is the same as moab??

Yeah....same concept.....late bloom booster...But MOAB is waaaaay cheaper....I like what both do for the plant.....Sometimes you just gotta save some dough..Peace

desertsquirrel · Jun 7, 2011

This thread has so many lies in it....

Moab is not cheap. Its not terrible or anything, just overpriced and nothing special.

Actual Available PPM Profiles for a few boosters (@1g/Gal):

Open sesame:
N 13.21
P 51.84
K 41.66

Beastie bloomz:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78

Cha-Ching:
N 23.78
P 57.60
K 21.93

Growtek Monsterbloom:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78

Moab:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78

Shooting Powder:
N 0
P 10.37
K 43.86

MonoPotassium Phosphate:
N 0
P 56.8
K 65.78

And prices:

Shooting powder 500g/54.95
Moab 500g/40.25
Grotek monsterbloom 500g/28
Fox farm 3 part boosters 450g/25.95
Koolbloom 450g/21.95
Monopotassium phosphate 450g/2.05

smokestack23 · Jun 7, 2011

Don't forget to add a few cents for MAP and Thiamine for the MPK to make the MOAB ;)

PEACE.

cheaplastic · Sep 11, 2011

Heres ya guys go...
This is cheap and nearly identical.. just missing the B1

MOAB 500G - $50

Mono-Potassium Phosphate(mkp) 1LB - $12

I know there are cheaper places to get mpk, but i dont have the time to order all my supplies from different places, i order kelp extract and other stuff from these guys so out of the sake of convenience il pay a few bucks extra..

MendoCruz · Sep 11, 2011

I love it! I can see people making there own but, even though the labels tell you what they are derived from they do not tell you the ratio in which they are added and do not tell you everything that is in the make up of the product Most companies only give enough info on the label to make the "man" happy. If you use the MOAB, make sure to cut your base nutes in half. I added Moab and Massive to my program and picked up an extra 20% to my yield.

coloradochem · Sep 11, 2011

moab rocks! does what it says it does. my dad says he used to spray crops with that sorta mix back in the 70s.

MakinGoo · Sep 11, 2011

I'm trying MOAB for the 1st time this run.. I hope I get some bigger buds.. Let's see how good this stuff really is.. But if it don't work I only sent $9 for the small bottle no big deal..

midnightrider · Sep 11, 2011

ive yet to use bloom boosters ,,, does moab promote new growth at late stage of flower ? and if so im guessing one has to let say an 8 week strain go longer to let the new growth late in flower mature --- is that how that works ?

sfzoo · Sep 11, 2011

no.

you'd run it during the final swell, around end of wk6 thru wk7. flush wk 8.

the potassium, phospherous spike during these weeks signals the plant to increase flower production.

was told by a nute rep that NPK concentrations that high have a more pronounced effect. the plant feels death near and tries to reproduce at all cost.

Snowblind · Sep 11, 2011

I thought the idea behind a bloom booster was to use it during the onset of bud formation? What exact weeks are you boosting? Boosting after the stretch? Boost on week 3?

High P makes plants stretch...dont believe me?

Also guys a formula of say 10-50-50 on the label is not balanced with the P and K. The P and K are listed in oxide form and translate to very different ppms per gallon...

10 N = 25 ppm
50 P = 55ppm
50 K = 103 ppm

I hate all of this bad information!!!

MendoCruz · Sep 11, 2011

I have notice that the increase in my PPM's is minimal when I add MOAB. I know that it can still burn even without a big ppm spike. I use it weeks 7-8, flush 9, cut 10.

sfzoo · Sep 11, 2011

it def can burn your buds. i went a little hot on the moab, burnt the tips of the calyxs.

some use it initially, around week 2 or so, soon as the budsets form to kick things off...not sure when the best time is to use it. all part of dialing it in.

The Joker · Sep 11, 2011

I've seen people using it very differently. On the container it says week 2 and week 5. I've been told to use it the in week 7 for a 9 week strain... or week 6 for an 8.

I've been very conservative and used it only in week 5. I'll try 2 doses this round.. week 2, week 5 for an 8 week strain. I use Budswel liquid which is a batguano/ seabird guano tea for added flavor instead of Koolbloom or a PK booster.

sfzoo · Sep 11, 2011

i run it hard, in conjunction w/ HH, at wks7 and 8.
I use less concentrated PK boosters at wk3, Canna's.

Since using it, i've experienced more budrot, but that seems to be a function of how massive the nugs get and not the nutrient itself. Not a bad problem to have, IMO.

edit:
the reason for using a different PK for wk3 is because high NPK ratios will have an adverse affect on microbes. At the end, i'm pushing it hard w/ little regard to microbes.

desertsquirrel · Sep 11, 2011

I made this thread:

spicificly because of the misinformation being spread by masonite and others on this thread. Beware, misinformation will effect your grow, your medicine, and your life.

desertsquirrel · Sep 11, 2011

Moab is neither cheap, nor good.

MendoCruz · Sep 11, 2011

desertsquirrel said:
Moab is neither cheap, nor good.

I have to disagree with your statement. As far as store bought PK boosters are concerned it is reasonably priced and in my experience with it I have seen very good results. I've done side by sides with MOAB vs shooting powder vs no PK booster. The lights with MOAB finished larger. I won't pretend to understand all of the mathematical calculations, but I do understand my plants and what they tell me works. I also listen to the hundreds of grower that I deal with on a weekly basis.

JAHGYDI · Sep 11, 2011

i like it, works great, cheap as hell to. locally made in sd. love me all mad farmer products.

desertsquirrel · Sep 12, 2011

It is not cheap, we have already been over this....

And prices:

Shooting powder 500g/54.95$
Moab 500g/40.25$
Grotek monsterbloom 500g/28.00$
Fox farm 3 part boosters 450g/25.95$
Koolbloom 450g/21.95$
Monopotassium phosphate 450g/2.05$

cheaplastic · Sep 12, 2011

desertsquirrel said:
It is not cheap, we have already been over this....

And prices:

Shooting powder 500g/54.95$
Moab 500g/40.25$
Grotek monsterbloom 500g/28.00$
Fox farm 3 part boosters 450g/25.95$
Koolbloom 450g/21.95$
Monopotassium phosphate 450g/2.05$

Exactly. All MOAB is comprised of is MONOPOTASSIUM PHOSPHATE! (and a little b1)

I buy mine at $15 a lb.. do u have an online supplier you can recommend? I use kelp4less.com. I also get third liquid sea kelp so its convenient..

MOAB, is it worth it?

MOAB, is it worth it?

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