New to this and need some help please!

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MIGrampaUSA

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The best I can do is to bring it into the garage which looks like is going to happen. The tiny space heater is on the lowest possible setting but still cranking out heat in such a small space is making me nervous. Going to abandon the space heaters at this point and try the heating pad with temperature control to see if that works better with the reduced risk of fire as well. I’ll have to change the temp each morning and night for the lights on/off temperature. Thank you everyone for your help, hoping to get this under control. Regardless it’s been one big learning experience that’s for sure!
I don't change the temps. Lights on creates some heat of its own so with a heat source from above and below, my plants are nice and cozy. When the lights are off, the temperature drops naturally due to the loss of heat from above. My seedling mats came with a temperature controller that I can set at any temp up to 90F I believe and it will cycle on and off to keep a constant seedling mat temp.

You'll still want to run your oscillating fans 24/7 and your exhaust ventilation through something like an inkbird temperature/humidity controller. If your exhaust ventilation is always running you won't retain much heat in your tent whether its in your shed or the garage.
 
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Sorry to be the FNG but what exactly is that/how does it work?
Mine is older tech (no smart phone or wifi connection). It works great but Inkbird has newer tech than my old Bayite brand.

Here's a link to what I have: https://www.amazon.com/bayite-Tempe...ix=heating+cooling+temperatur,aps,1553&sr=8-4

It can be used to control heating and cooling. It has a heating outlet and a cooling outlet. Plug your heat source into the heating outlet (seedling mat or space heater) and your cooling source (exhaust ventilation system) into the cooling port. Place the device outside your tent and run the sensor probe into your tent. Your controller has a relay inside it to alternate power between the cooling outlet and heating outlet depending on the temperature parameters you set.
 
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned some defoliation to the lower and inside leaves of the plant. That might help boost production a little more. Since people are mentioning over watered, the lower leaves next to the damp soil could spark an issue. Sometimes transplanting to a larger pot will give it a chance to overcome whatever is binding it up as well. Keep us posted on how things progress.
 
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned some defoliation to the lower and inside leaves of the plant. That might help boost production a little more. Since people are mentioning over watered, the lower leaves next to the damp soil could spark an issue. Sometimes transplanting to a larger pot will give it a chance to overcome whatever is binding it up as well.

Good observation ... It will allow better airflow and less humidity buildup in the low light regions of the plant. The current environment (cold and presumably high RH inside the shed) are conducive to fungus/mold issues.

While that should absolutely be done, what's causing problems is the environment the plant is in combined with a new grower learning correct watering techniques. The outside in the shed environment has made a lot of things harder to control as we get deeper into the fall.
 
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For my indoor I bought a standing ac unit and I would put a space heater in there also. The ac unit was also a dehumidifier in which a separate hose ran out of the room.
The heater was also standing and would just come on to regulate the temperature when the lights were out. I’ve ran rooms with no intake from outside and I’ve also used a filter and brought air in from outside. Both ways can work. Lots of good tips here. Basically the goal is to regulate your temperature for a healthy swing. I like my room at 74-80 during lights on and a swing temp in the 60-65. That’s what worked for me in the past. Sometimes you just have to really stick your finger in the dirt to see how moist it is. You don’t want it soaked but you don’t want it to dry out for too long either. My grows are automated on pumps and timers and I’ll mix nutes once in the soil. And just do filters water only for the grow. Then I’m not messing with ph and buying bottled nutes. Which don’t get me wrong it works great that way also. I just prefer to have it run itself essentially. If any one wants any pointers with automation let me know and I’ll give you my method. That plant isn’t far off from being in good shape. You just need to practice with veg time and the your space available to get the most out of your “real estate” and light. Creating a canopy in that situation will be a great thing to learn for the op. Next time start pinching tops and tying things. I grew in a shed in Colorado for about 8 years or so. Insulate it if possible. I didn’t have a tent inside it though. The shed I made into the grow room. Painted the inside white and hung 5 or 6k watts in there. So the lights produced a crap load of heat. Even though all my old hids were ported. Which I would have running at the coldest parts of 24 hours. Then when the lights kicked off during the warmest. Leds I’m not experienced with. But I would say fans and filtered intake with outtake should work. Plus a space heater. I like the ac unit with dehumidifier combo but that’s just me. Not really necessary as long as you can control the temps.
 
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned some defoliation to the lower and inside leaves of the plant. That might help boost production a little more. Since people are mentioning over watered, the lower leaves next to the damp soil could spark an issue. Sometimes transplanting to a larger pot will give it a chance to overcome whatever is binding it up as well. Keep us posted on how things progress.
Should I wait for things to turn for the better or defoliate the larger fan leaves on the bottom of the plant now while it isn’t in the best shape?
 
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Should I wait for things to turn for the better or defoliate the larger fan leaves on the bottom of the plant now while it isn’t in the best shape?
Start with the ones that look the worst. Those will likely be the ones growing inward towards the main stem and will be lower on the plant just like @Wolfe described. Don't remove them all at once though. You could shock the plant even more if you remove too much at once.
 
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Over night there seems to be a bit of an improvement by moving the tent closer to the space heater, putting a bowl of water inside the tent, and shutting off the oscillating fan. It never got below 58 and the humidity was up around 63%.During today it was able to get up to 74 with 55% humidity with only the in-line fan running. I put the space heater in the tent and ran it for about a half hour and within that time the temp jumped to 88 degrees and the humidity dropped to 41. Seems like I’m not going to be able to find a balance here.

Is it better to have higher temps and super low humidity or better but not great humidity with better but not great temperature?
58 degrees at night with 63%rh should be good for night time and 74 degrees and 55% is fine for daytime. If you can keep those numbers you’re good.
 
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Over night there seems to be a bit of an improvement by moving the tent closer to the space heater, putting a bowl of water inside the tent, and shutting off the oscillating fan. It never got below 58 and the humidity was up around 63%.During today it was able to get up to 74 with 55% humidity with only the in-line fan running. I put the space heater in the tent and ran it for about a half hour and within that time the temp jumped to 88 degrees and the humidity dropped to 41. Seems like I’m not going to be able to find a balance here.

Is it better to have higher temps and super low humidity or better but not great humidity with better but not great temperature?
Yayyyy for the improvements. Add that temperature controller that I mentioned in this thread last night and you'll easily be able to control your temps. The fact that you hit 88F tells me you'll do well controlling the environment with that one addition to your set-up. I'd still be running that oscillating fan 24/7. Every time those leaves dance in the breeze, you're moving the humidity created by transpiring away from the interior part of the plant.

Add the temp controller as I described, allow the oscillating fan to run constantly and your environment will become one that your plants can thrive in.
 
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Since you have been over watering, you need to NOT take any leaves off until it recovers. Every leaf is helping and if you take any off the water gets worse until it dries out some. You want it almost totally dry before watering.

Read this:
Watering SOIL
 
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Since you have been over watering, you need to NOT take any leaves off until it recovers. Every leaf is helping and if you take any off the water gets worse until it dries out some. You want it almost totally dry before watering.

Read this:
Watering SOIL

Good to see you @ComfortablyNumb. Haven't seen you on here much lately. Hope all is going well for you.

I thought about that prior to posting. However, some of those leaves are going to be lost because of the problems the plant has had. Those are easily identifiable ... they hang straight down and have lost their color and will just about fall off on their own. Those are already pretty much dead and not going to recover. I see no harm in removing those.
 
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Good to see you @ComfortablyNumb. Haven't seen you on here much lately. Hope all is going well for you.

I thought about that prior to posting. However, some of those leaves are going to be lost because of the problems the plant has had. Those are easily identifiable ... they hang straight down and have lost their color and will just about fall off on their own. Those are already pretty much dead and not going to recover. I see no harm in removing those.
I mostly agree but I have seen plants recover that looked dead. Leave them for a week, if they don't recover, take them off.

@MIGrampaUSA, thanx. Its good to be back. What a ride we've had this year.

This one is under watered, but watch how fast it recovers.
Underwatered Example
 
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Thank you everyone for the input and help, she looks much better today. Got the warming pad underneath and the temperature control all setup. Have the target temp of 75, 80 the exhaust fan will kick on and 65 the heating pad will turn on. Things look good but running into another issue, shocking right. I’m not sure if someone has run into this before but after putting the mat into the tent my humidity level spiked up to 82%. Is it the mat breathing after being opened up? I have since removed the exhaust fan as the cooling element as it’s doubtful to reach that 80 degree mark and have the exhaust fan running and that has lowered the humidity level back down to 61%.
 
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Thank you everyone for the input and help, she looks much better today. Got the warming pad underneath and the temperature control all setup. Have the target temp of 75, 80 the exhaust fan will kick on and 65 the heating pad will turn on. Things look good but running into another issue, shocking right. I’m not sure if someone has run into this before but after putting the mat into the tent my humidity level spiked up to 82%. Is it the mat breathing after being opened up? I have since removed the exhaust fan as the cooling element as it’s doubtful to reach that 80 degree mark and have the exhaust fan running and that has lowered the humidity level back down to 61%.

As long as you don't see your temps dropping too low at night you'll be fine. Excess humidity will cause you lots of problems so its good that you caught that.

You still need airflow under your fabric pot. It's still sitting in the bottom of the saucer. For now, even a baking cooling rack set over the saucer is sufficient.
 
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The pot elevator will be here tomorrow, is the plant in good enough condition to take some of the bigger leaves from the bottom? There are one or two at the base that have turned yellowish. Also is there a preferred time of day/light schedule to defoliate? Beginning or end?
 
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She's definitely perked up! Tug gently. If it comes off easily, you have your answer. If it doesn't pull off, leave it for now. We can circle back to the defoliation in a few more days without any harm.
 
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Thank you everyone for the input and help, she looks much better today. Got the warming pad underneath and the temperature control all setup. Have the target temp of 75, 80 the exhaust fan will kick on and 65 the heating pad will turn on. Things look good but running into another issue, shocking right. I’m not sure if someone has run into this before but after putting the mat into the tent my humidity level spiked up to 82%. Is it the mat breathing after being opened up? I have since removed the exhaust fan as the cooling element as it’s doubtful to reach that 80 degree mark and have the exhaust fan running and that has lowered the humidity level back down to 61%.
The mat is probably making the soil give off moisture
 
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The plant is creating all the high humidity. Plants breathe but we call it transpiration. They breathe out water and oxygen.
Keep your exhaust on to vent the excess. It has to get rid of all the water somehow.
 
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The plant is creating all the high humidity. Plants breathe but we call it transpiration. They breathe out water and oxygen.
Keep your exhaust on to vent the excess. It has to get rid of all the water somehow.
I haven’t watered the plant since Wednesday of last week, is this still causing the humidity issues? I put the moisture reader as far as I couldn’t and does t read anything, put my finger in and feels dry. I’ll be moving the tent into the garage tonight in hopes of eliminating the issue. I think it being in the shed and having some rain the past 2 days is causing the issue, had the exhaust fan and oscillating fan running all night and the humidity was up at 75%. The temp didn’t fall below 65 inside the tent and now today although the temp is steady at 74 the humidity is back up to 67% or so.
 
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