Obama care for MMJ and DEA & Government Shut Down

[lino]

Sky high, my fellow Lino constituants want resolve to immigration . The Lino Party needs immigration addresses as part of this negotiation process so we don't have Gov shut downs again. The Lino Party ask that you have some compassion for the Majority of American with this issue. Our counter offer is as Follows:

American Bountys on people illegal in the USA in Cali and New York and Tx only.
The lino Party will accept your Sky High ideologies for people who cant see there Toe's. Its called a "Dicky Do" according to girl I know, bro. Sky High can have his way with Dicky Do's so Lino can hunt in NY and Cali.

But in this NEGIATION offer the Lino Party demands that you, Sky High Pres match our offer of PurpaLino joints for All with Sky Joints for all Americans.

 

[lino]

Lino says ; Whats a Dicky Do ? Early in this post there is a thread for the "Next American Idol" video posted. A guy in a cape and thong, He is Not a Dicky Do.

Defined as ;;; his Belly sticks out farther then his dicky do.

 

[fishwhistle]

Can anyone tell me why not participating in Obummber care will be a tax penalty? Does anyone find it odd in any way?

Just another way to tax you kolah.

 

[kolah]

I am a proud "illegal."

I love america. and Obama.... and all the politicians who make my life better. I love them all....

I will do the jobs lazy americanos won't do.

 

[kolah]

Just another way to tax you kolah.

just another way to take ALL you have, money, home, property and other possessions (cars boats, guns, etc)

gee whiz, i wonder how the IRS got started? They sure seem to have a lot of power and make their own rules..and they even trump anything with any constitutionality to it. Wow! What a wonderful gang of thugs.

 

[lino]

Kohla , you're pulling our leg. You're not fence jumper are you? dont blame if ya are, it sucks on the other side of the fence. I'm American of almost all bloodlines. My current GF was just deported. My childrens mother is Asian. I tell my kids that they have no one left to be prejudice against. Americans wont act like other countries as far as illegal people here. Its a big problem but no one cares.

 

[green punk]

this thread is weak... Just like this show down shut down shows how weak our system/Govt is to the rest of the planet and it has nothing to to do with the current Admin. Continue to draw lines dumbass

 

[jfizzle2cmu]

This is essentially the road the democrats want to take--via tax increases across the board.

Of course they would inevitably try to spend what they gained from that, and that's why (ORIGINALLY) we had a two party system with a balance to that goal of liberals.

I think the truth is, and all sane people know this, that the best solution is a mixture of both of the policies being espoused here.

We need to raise taxes, and we need to cut spending.

However, it would be silly to not also recognize that we need to be smart about what we cut and where we choose to reinvest/what we choose to keep. THIS part of the process SHOULD be where the real fight is occurring on capitol hill.

It should be simple to agree that we do need to take a balanced approach in terms of tax increase/spending cut--it should only become difficult where disagreements arise about where cuts should be made and what new investments are necessary given the ever-changing state of the world economy. Sadly, our leaders aren't even able to make it that far--to where they agree to show goodwill across the aisle and begin to tackle some of these tough ideological differences in terms of the specifics.

When I say ideological differences I'm not referring to the drivel we see today, but instead the classic democrat/republican dichotomy (ie what programs to keep/cut).

While it certainly IS an ideology which says that we should never raise taxes, and likewise the belief that we should instead tax our way out and cut no spending is also an ideology--but neither of them reflects the reality of the situation. In the sense of "hashing out" solutions through ideological barriers--these are two completely unworkable starting points, so it doesn't even make sense to talk about "debate" in any realistic sense of the term when we're looking at what is happening right now.

It's fighting, not arguing, that our leaders are doing--and there is a very tangible difference in terms of the outcomes for everyday Americans.



Bravo for this. I'd maybe step off the idea that fat people are automatically a problem personally--but I agree that the uninformed and apathetic American is the root of all our issues. It's not some illuminati-esque conspiracy at the top we should be worried about--it's the general idiocy of the everyman/woman in this country.

That's how I've wanted my thoughts to read lol. I appreciate how you word things, in all your posts/replies, Squiggly, I know everyone doesn't appreciate but I certainly do.

 

[jfizzle2cmu]

I love Momma!

Healthcare is screwed up, and the biggest part is 'end of life'....
A hard decision as no one want's to take Grandma off life support, but trying to cheat death instead of accepting the natural way of things is expensive. And it gives rise to the question 'why do these people just born have to burden the healthcare costs of those who've had a whole lifetime to accrue assets'.
If the government could keep money that is supposed to be for something from being spent on something else, then I'd could see raising taxes, for a purpose, but they like that money in a General Fund, so they can do as they please (even if it is expressly stated to be in some limited fund).

Good book, should be required reading in High School.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Healing_of_America

If you're referring to Social Security,I know there's some law that says any excess funds should be used in the general fund, though, it is somehow supposed to still be on the books as capital for SS. I think it's supposed to be sort of an automatic loan type deal. Not 100%, but I know it's something like that.

 

[lino]

Squiggly for President, I have to agree with what jFizzle just said, That thread was elegant. Especially the last 3 sentences. If I could only express myself like that .

well put.

 

[Dopegeist]

Problem is :
1) With the unlimited borrowing capacity of the US Gov't., comes the NEED to borrow even more.
2) All the Gov't programs to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happieness. Seem to at some point just turn into giant Ponzi Schemes, for the children to pay off when their time comes.

Making 'Merica Strong, starts with a good balance sheet, income statement and statement of cash flows....Like any business.
Or just take a look at history and see how any 'empire' has fallen: Rome, England, Colonial ones, it goes on. We forget history, we are bound to repeat it.

I love 'Red Dawn', just don't think I want to live it.

 

[kolah]

 

[kolah]

Kohla , you're pulling our leg. You're not fence jumper are you? dont blame if ya are, it sucks on the other side of the fence. I'm American of almost all bloodlines. My current GF was just deported. My childrens mother is Asian. I tell my kids that they have no one left to be prejudice against. Americans wont act like other countries as far as illegal people here. Its a big problem but no one cares.

lol. no, I ain;t a fence jumper in pointy toed cowboy boots and all hat no cattle.. but wouldn't it be advantageous for an american citizen to claim he was an illegal alien?

just for the record, I have no issues with anyone coming to this country. I do not believe in having border patrols and all this "illegal alien" shit. Anyone should be able to come here and anyone should be able to come and go as they please (including us americans). BUT..

Because our government offers free everything to anyone coming into this country it is the sole reason they come here. It's a sweet deal and our gov is destroying our country by doing this...and they also create severe racial tension because most americans do not understand that the "illegals" come here solely because of the government freebies. It appears that the gov likes to create these sorts of separations and keep different races of people fighting against one another. Another way to destroy a nation from within.

 

[lino]

I have friends on both sides of the fence and its hard to hate me based on race cause I have so many. Its a small problem to me compared to whats about to happen as depicted in your cartoon, You're to smart to take my bait, you know Immigration hate is not an issue with me. And then after "No negotiation on health care" the "No negotiation on budget" and the dollar will take a hit like I have never seen in my lifetime at a time of greatest debt like i've ever seen, if Hoboma decides to be a complete dictator this will be a disgrace to Americans and Really hurt economics, and for once I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Seamaiden]

just for the record, I have no issues with anyone coming to this country. I do not believe in having border patrols and all this "illegal alien" shit. Anyone should be able to come here and anyone should be able to come and go as they please (including us americans).

I love this.

 

[Johnny Redthumb]

A (real) loaf of bread already costs $8. A $2 Wonderbread is just a bread-shaped science experiment.

Affordable Care Act or Not, healthcare is still a FOR-PROFIT business in the USA. Fact: it would still cost less to the tax payer and average citizen to have all healthcare free and paid for by the government for all bonefide citizens at-cost, no profit, than it does to pay the government to regulate a for-profit industry.

How about the old opt-out plan? Don't vote, don't pay taxes, don't pay into any of their corporatized or beaurocratic systems and expect nothing in return. Find a good family doctor who is far, far away from a hospital (hospitals breed disease), and pay him cash...

 

[squiggly]

A (real) loaf of bread already costs $8. A $2 Wonderbread is just a bread-shaped science experiment.

Affordable Care Act or Not, healthcare is still a FOR-PROFIT business in the USA. Fact: it would still cost less to the tax payer and average citizen to have all healthcare free and paid for by the government for all bonefide citizens at-cost, no profit, than it does to pay the government to regulate a for-profit industry.

That's definitely true. Part of why the insurance industry has gone so insane over this is that they know its a step in the direction of government insurance. I don't think federal providers are really in the realm of possibility for this country, people would shit.

Once insurance is federalized the next step will be to regulate cost, because now the government is paying this huge bill. That's why the healthcare providers have gone apeshit over this as well--its not about forms or bureaucracy, they know it's going to be the end of profiteering in medicine (particularly in the medical supply industry, and other things the government can easily regulate).

The rest of this shit is just smoke and mirrors. No one is worried about socialism who is in the know. It's the money.

It would mean the end of the health insurance industry on the grand scale and no one is going to give up those billions without a fight lol--but it is the obvious way to go in terms of controlling cost governmentally.

 

[LocalGrowGuy]

A (real) loaf of bread already costs $8. A $2 Wonderbread is just a bread-shaped science experiment.

Affordable Care Act or Not, healthcare is still a FOR-PROFIT business in the USA. Fact: it would still cost less to the tax payer and average citizen to have all healthcare free and paid for by the government for all bonefide citizens at-cost, no profit, than it does to pay the government to regulate a for-profit industry.

How about the old opt-out plan? Don't vote, don't pay taxes, don't pay into any of their corporatized or beaurocratic systems and expect nothing in return. Find a good family doctor who is far, far away from a hospital (hospitals breed disease), and pay him cash...

Bullshit. Cite your source. I'm in the industry and I've seen the scary emails with numbers like yours.

I'll ask again. Cite your source. A buddy who said, 'hey man did you hear xyz?' or some website maybe?

I would also like you to define 'all healthcare free and paid for by the government'. Do you realize where the government will be getting it's money to fund obamacare?

I really question your thought process when you mention 'the old opt-out plan'. If you don't vote, then you can't complain, especially to randoms on a website like this. Don't pay taxes? Do you realize the only way the government was able to crack down on gangsters was by not paying your taxes.

Do you have any sort of idea just how expensive a private, 'concierge' doctor charges?

I don't know you so please don't be offended, but nothing in your post mirrors what I've seen in the industry, especially in Colorado. In fact, I see lots of holes that need filled. I'd love to see your reply though.

 

[kolah]

Bullshit. Cite your source. I'm in the industry and I've seen the scary emails with numbers like yours.

I'll ask again. Cite your source. A buddy who said, 'hey man did you hear xyz?' or some website maybe?

I would also like you to define 'all healthcare free and paid for by the government'. Do you realize where the government will be getting it's money to fund obamacare?

I really question your thought process when you mention 'the old opt-out plan'. If you don't vote, then you can't complain, especially to randoms on a website like this. Don't pay taxes? Do you realize the only way the government was able to crack down on gangsters was by not paying your taxes.

Do you have any sort of idea just how expensive a private, 'concierge' doctor charges?

I don't know you so please don't be offended, but nothing in your post mirrors what I've seen in the industry, especially in Colorado. In fact, I see lots of holes that need filled. I'd love to see your reply though.

Tell me why doctors and hospitals charge so much.

 

[squiggly]

Bullshit. Cite your source. I'm in the industry and I've seen the scary emails with numbers like yours.

I'll ask again. Cite your source. A buddy who said, 'hey man did you hear xyz?' or some website maybe?

The idea that we will pay less for a socialized version of healthcare comes from the assumption that the government, being the provider of healthcare to the entire country, can use congressional right to regulate industry such that costs are controlled.

This version of events would be a TRUE "government takeover" of healthcare. The idea is that if the government can take over the industry it would justify intervention in the industry via the interstate commerce clause. It's almost a certainty that costs would drop, almost every economist agrees on this.

What is up in the air are things like quality of care, ability to maintain current infrastructure, etc.

The question isn't in the overall way that economics work, but rather what the social effects of those changes will be in OUR particular locale. All one needs to do is compare the GDP spending % on healthcare by the US overall with the same figure in countries with socialized medicine.