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and sorry to tag on a post but just gotta say it.....
more of a blanket statement to a lot of people....
the world you grew up in from the 1950s~~ to sept 11, 2001 is over. get over it.
You start your post with "im not trying to be a dick here"?Of course you are,we all know it by now,Are you sure your not Jay Carney?lol.I'm not trying to be a dick here, but you might want to know what's actually been reported before commenting on it.
The info that was shared with the NSA from Verizon was metadata only. This includes stuff like hardware in use, locations (if GPS capable), and participants. No conversations were recorded or turned over to the government. This doesn't qualify as eavesdropping. It is data mining.
Furthermore this was done mostly for business accounts, not normal consumer accounts.
There were trying to pinpoint locations of terrorists, plan and simple.
Now you're well within your rights to dislike that still, and I don't blame you for it--but get the facts straight.
Three things should also be noted:
1. This is every day stuff for the NSA and you're only hearing about it because of a leak to "The Guardian". The NSA likely has hundreds of programs like this one in place and they have for decades. Kolah is actually right on the money here.
2. This program started in 2006 under then-president Bush (this is now public knowledge). So let's not choose to be disingenuous and put the entire blame on Obama. This is another example of selective conservative memory.
3. The president typically isn't the one who is briefed on these programs, instead it is CONGRESS who receives the brief and gives the okay.
Take all of that as you will.
You start your post with "im not trying to be a dick here"?Of course you are,we all know it by now,Are you sure your not Jay Carney?lol.
well the world wasnt what it was now back then either. even as far as WHAT they could look at. we had no internet cell phones or texting.... so that point doesnt draw to me as much as the quality of life back then vs. now.
lmao :banghead:Fair enough. Just making the point that the world as far as the intentions of the government and intelligence community haven't really been changed. The world itself (ie. your point of cell phones, internet, etc) is what has changed.
You'll note these are all things which we opt into, though.
It's tough to be an Obama supporter Squiggly...disregarding that I think he's cake boy..I still think he's a corporate shill sell out with tons of Bush appointees at his side. Two-faced lawyer lying politician. Everybody wanted a new JFK..and they they got Barry the guy who likes to...
re-write the Constitution to take away our rights and please corporate interests. As for Congress we should flush the bunch of them, save the rare few.
You know you have the perfect avatar squigs,you think you have the last word on everything,every one is inferior to you in intelect and not inteligent enough to have an opinion or make up their own mind.Good luck to you in all your endeavors whatever they are this week,concert violinist,juliard student,heroin dealer,black belt,mad scientist,genius,meltdown moderator or simply just playing online video games with state department employees while the embassy is being attacked:rolleyes:,it must be so hard to keep all the bullshit straight.Threads all yours squigs,take it away oh mighty one,your parents must be so proud...
Honestly you had me until this next part of the quote.
That's just hyperbole dude. Care to share with us an example of this type of thing?
but don't make shit up. That is silly.
He was a Constitution Professor for crying out loud...he's supposed to respect it!
Instead he manages to trample on it as if it didn't exist. Take into consideration the First, Second, and Fourth Amendments. He has carried forward nearly every one of the "war on terror" powers introduced by Bush, in fact he has made many of them worse.
Ya..take Obama's word for it. Certainly with all the scandals going on the NSA certainly isn't including any whistleblowers in their data collection operations...pfffft.
Usually Liberals are very forthright on Civil Liberties...that's why he's labeled a Marxist.
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