One Plant One Scrog Contest CannaGranny Style

[PerfecTrader]

I never go above 75-76 in flower as the transpiration rate with the light maxxed out means at 76+ you would need a very high humidity to maintain proper vpd, so I would really try to keep it 76 and below if possible. Other than that, I guess the idea that "less is more" really is true with these plants as Im learning myself. That plants leaves look fine to me, and as you know new growth is always gonna be lighter color. But if its not darkening up as it grows, then I would think it needs more nitrogen, or something your giving them is making them not absorb enough nitrogen, MOST times Ive read about its PH. Might as well call growing "ph management" its so important. What Im doing is cutting down on all my supplements, running basic nutrients, and am only gonna add new stuff once I get the basic nutrients down pat. You could do similar, but then again we all have different ways of getting to harvest! Its cool u are trying, never know unless you try :D

I'm with ya and ehhh either would I if really had a feasible choice. In order to maintain 75-76 during any season in Arizona would require my portable AC unit to be used or my house AC, both of which are not cool to use like now since it is cold and rainy out. The temp swings here are uuuuge and the extra 5 degrees here and there is a trade off I am willing to make sometimes not to be freezing inside my crib. The whole downstairs is 18 travertine tile and gets cold af and upstairs is carpet and hot af. Poor insulation and ventilation for the house itself makes any individual room very tough to control.
Yeah less is more for sure. Thought I was and whoops lol. Yeah I totally thought this was Nitrogen deficiency as well and added a fairly small amount of neem seed meal to the top soil and things have gotten worse.
Yup PH. I 100% agree it is where my problem starts and ends. Been fighting it since day 1 at every turn. Going to pull the scrog and blumats and give 6.5 RO with 250ppm cal-mag as buffer at slow pace until I get run-off. Based on the run-off I'm going to whip up a batch of clean water in a 20 gal tub and and place air stones in it and place the whole plant inside that for maybe 15-30 min to agitate the possible "lock-out" I feel I have. This is what has happened almost every grow I feel. Lock-out due to PH swings, overwatering, nute burn from too much extra shit I guess. I'm like battin 1000%

 

[PerfecTrader]

KISS

Also be very wary about adding/trying new stuff, especially in combination together. With just one plant to use as a test :) With that being said I know that @CannaGranny took you under her wing and is guiding you along your way. But I do avoid a few things:

-FF soil of all kinds
-Using RO water for soil/organic grows unless absolutely necessary
-Using pH adjustments in well buffered mediums

ps you don't want to fill the entire SCROG in veg, you want to fill it up about 3/4 of the way and then flip to flower. During the 3 week stretch phase keep tucking and pulling under and you'll hopefully end up with a somewhat full SCROG

Super solid advice brotha. That is exactly what I did and is happening. 1 Plant and I'm "ehh maybe this will help". As for CG I miss her dearly and just don't know what happened to her. I hope she is well and healthy. This grow though is not indicative at all of what she told me to do. Although she isn't opposed to FFHF it was because I could only get FFOF delivered real fast that my impatient ass used it for this grow, which I wasn't even prepared to do. THis was supposed to be a plant that was in different soil and I chose to grow this one.

Hmm I like your things to avoid. RO water for sure. Already filled 2 x 5gals in tub with tap to sit out. It has been the bane of my grows and I know plenty use just fine but I'm tired of strugglin with it. Annnd the old PH adjustment trick. Yup 100% correct yet I play that game constantly with up or down. Really needed to hear this kind sir.

As for filling the tent. Pics can be deceiving and it sucks that things don't look as bad as they do in person. To me this plant is NOT happy or it wouldn't grow new leaves that are absent of chlorophyll and ripped and torn like bugs got to them. I feel she needs to be relieved of the scrog till she is a healthy. I feel like a bottom agitated 15-30 min root soak flush might help but likely will screw that up too hah thanks again Wiz

 

[JerzeyMike]

JM, how many watts is that heater, and are you running it all day long? also does it heat up the whole room or just that area? thanks

You know, I have no idea how many watts, and it doesn’t say anywhere on it that i saw. It stays on most of the time, and it takes the chill out of the garage, but doesnt exactly heat it. I just moved it under the intake fan and that seemed to help the tents a lot at night. This garage is 18x 24 or so. Ive been wanting to run a gas line out here and use a small gas heater, just havent gotten around to it yet. Weve only lived here 2 months now.

 

[JerzeyMike]

@Shaded_One the KISS philosophy is words to live and grow by! This whole run has been under that concept. I used nothing but compost teas (with terp tea) and the other main ingredients in teas. Dont know for better or worse, but theres been no top dressing other then more soil, and not once did i need to use cal mag. I was happy with my results and dont see changing much up other then adding some sst. Happy growing! Bestt wishes to CannaGranny where ever you are???

 

[Neueregel]

You know, I have no idea how many watts, and it doesn’t say anywhere on it that i saw. It stays on most of the time, and it takes the chill out of the garage, but doesnt exactly heat it. I just moved it under the intake fan and that seemed to help the tents a lot at night. This garage is 18x 24 or so. Ive been wanting to run a gas line out here and use a small gas heater, just havent gotten around to it yet. Weve only lived here 2 months now.

I have a small sunbeam heater that 1500 watts and uses like 32 KWH. Yeah a gas heater will work nice.

 

[RootsRuler]

I never go above 75-76 in flower as the transpiration rate with the light maxxed out means at 76+ you would need a very high humidity to maintain proper vpd, so I would really try to keep it 76 and below if possible. Other than that, I guess the idea that "less is more" really is true with these plants as Im learning myself. That plants leaves look fine to me, and as you know new growth is always gonna be lighter color. But if its not darkening up as it grows, then I would think it needs more nitrogen, or something your giving them is making them not absorb enough nitrogen, MOST times Ive read about its PH. Might as well call growing "ph management" its so important. What Im doing is cutting down on all my supplements, running basic nutrients, and am only gonna add new stuff once I get the basic nutrients down pat. You could do similar, but then again we all have different ways of getting to harvest! Its cool u are trying, never know unless you try :D

This is something I learned having worked at so many LGO's. The big nute brands are all fighting for market share so they come out with all kinds of "new" stuff that is supposed to "enhance" the crops to get the master growers to try their line. Problem for us small growers is that pretty much anything you can feed your girls has already been figured out. These "improvements" are usually incremental at best. Makes sense when you're yielding 5% more per plant if you've got 1000+ plants going but for a few plants? Not really.....

Because of this I've adopted a less is more position and only use amendments for a particular stage to tweak it but otherwise basic nutes.

@PerfecTrader - looks like you stunted her. Have you tried flushing and re-establishing nutrient ratios and PH levels? Don't worry about doing a slurry test. Just test runoff and that will be enough to warn you when you're drifting out of range. This is the exact scenario I see when using top dressings and slow release ferts. It's harder to fix the problem because you have ferts releasing already and it's harder to adjust accordingly.

Kind of like cooking when you oversalt your food. Add as you cook and taste often. Once you have too much you can't remove it.

 

[ninjadip]

You know, I have no idea how many watts, and it doesn’t say anywhere on it that i saw. It stays on most of the time, and it takes the chill out of the garage, but doesnt exactly heat it. I just moved it under the intake fan and that seemed to help the tents a lot at night. This garage is 18x 24 or so. Ive been wanting to run a gas line out here and use a small gas heater, just havent gotten around to it yet. Weve only lived here 2 months now.

the great thing about a gas heater is they will also put out c02 right?

 

[PerfecTrader]

This is something I learned having worked at so many LGO's. The big nute brands are all fighting for market share so they come out with all kinds of "new" stuff that is supposed to "enhance" the crops to get the master growers to try their line. Problem for us small growers is that pretty much anything you can feed your girls has already been figured out. These "improvements" are usually incremental at best. Makes sense when you're yielding 5% more per plant if you've got 1000+ plants going but for a few plants? Not really.....

Because of this I've adopted a less is more position and only use amendments for a particular stage to tweak it but otherwise basic nutes.

@PerfecTrader - looks like you stunted her. Have you tried flushing and re-establishing nutrient ratios and PH levels? Don't worry about doing a slurry test. Just test runoff and that will be enough to warn you when you're drifting out of range. This is the exact scenario I see when using top dressings and slow release ferts. It's harder to fix the problem because you have ferts releasing already and it's harder to adjust accordingly.

Kind of like cooking when you oversalt your food. Add as you cook and taste often. Once you have too much you can't remove it.

Ding ding and 100% ding. No I have tried to flush yet but need to. Should I use my FloraKleen in soil? I have had trouble trying to flush in the past and I was thinking I could place tiny air stones in a big tub of ph'ed water and sort of "flood and drain" the entire plant and let air stones agitate roots for 15-30? Could that fly?


And this is a list of all things I have, not all things I have used on her of course. Just showing what I have in case I have something already that you might recommend I use to establish things after flush?

It is ok to laugh at me yall. Keeps us young

GH FloraKleen

10g Triacontanol powder and Polysorbate 2.0 for SST
Alfalfa Sprouts for SST

Farmers Pride Seaweed
Blackstrap Molasses
Blue Planet Farmers Pride Grow
Advanced Nutes Big Bud, B-52, and Overdrive(from 1st grow in coco)
Masterblend
Gaia Green Bloom
Mammoth P(delivered tomorrow)
Recharge
xTreme Tea
MYCOS+
Mr Fulvic
PowerSi Bloom

Neem Seed Meal
Neem Oil
mosquito bits
Monterey Bt

 

[Shaded_One]

@PerfecTrader your light is also no slouch, and I know you've got it set at a fairly healthy distance away from the canopy but perhaps lower the intensity a bit while you go through the flush-feed-reset cycle to get her back on her feet.

Flush
Top dress 3 tablespoons per gallon of the 2-8-4

Then you only have to worry about your cal/mag and water. Should be able to send off to flower in 1-2 weeks of recovery.

 

[PerfecTrader]

@PerfecTrader your light is also no slouch, and I know you've got it set at a fairly healthy distance away from the canopy but perhaps lower the intensity a bit while you go through the flush-feed-reset cycle to get her back on her feet.

Great point and I dialed it back 1 and today will dial back 1 more. Will update with bunk light meters after get the flush down

Flush
Top dress 3 tablespoons per gallon of the 2-8-4

wait whawhawhaaat? oh wow ok perfect and I have used it yet. Still ok if I already flipped to flower 5-6 days ago? And Top dress the soil with 3tbl per gallon of soil? So with 7g pots 21tbl or you saying 3 tbl top dress per gal of water I intend to flush with?

Then you only have to worry about your cal/mag and water. Should be able to send off to flower in 1-2 weeks of recovery.

Hah sounds so simple and probably is when you don't try to direct a new grow movie called "All the Wrong Moves" like I do

ok shit wish I wasn't but am confused

 

[Shaded_One]

Great point and I dialed it back 1 and today will dial back 1 more. Will update with bunk light meters after get the flush down


wait whawhawhaaat? oh wow ok perfect and I have used it yet. Still ok if I already flipped to flower 5-6 days ago? And Top dress the soil with 3tbl per gallon of soil? So with 7g pots 21tbl or you saying 3 tbl top dress per gal of water I intend to flush with?

Hah sounds so simple and probably is when you don't try to direct a new grow movie called "All the Wrong Moves" like I do

ok shit wish I wasn't but am confused

this reminds me of troubleshooting my aunties computer over the telephone the worst part is that you already sent them off to flower so nothing much we can do about it at this point except do what we can and hope for the best!

• sooooo take your pot into the bath thub and flush through clean water until you see nothing but clear water coming out of the bottom of the pot
• put back in grow tent
• take 21 tablespoons (or 1 & 1/4 cups) of the 2-8-4 and just put it right on top of the soil
• do NOT water more at this point, just water as usual when the pot dries out

The 2-8-4 is measured per gallon of growing medium, not water.

"
GH FloraKleen

10g Triacontanol powder and Polysorbate 2.0 for SST
Alfalfa Sprouts for SST

Farmers Pride Seaweed
Blackstrap Molasses
Blue Planet Farmers Pride Grow
Advanced Nutes Big Bud, B-52, and Overdrive(from 1st grow in coco)
Masterblend
Gaia Green Bloom
Mammoth P(delivered tomorrow)
Recharge
xTreme Tea
MYCOS+
Mr Fulvic
PowerSi Bloom

Neem Seed Meal
Neem Oil
mosquito bits
Monterey Bt"

Honestly the Mykos and Recharge are the only other things on this list that I would consider you add at this point. Once you get a baseline established you can start adding things one at a time, or even doing comparisons side by side in your grows to see what they do? Might just be wasting your time and over-complicating a not so complicated process :)

 

[Neueregel]

@PerfecTrader I did something similar to you. I added too much of the same thing. now look at her?

 

[PerfecTrader]

this reminds me of troubleshooting my aunties computer over the telephone the worst part is that you already sent them off to flower so nothing much we can do about it at this point except do what we can and hope for the best!

• sooooo take your pot into the bath thub and flush through clean water until you see nothing but clear water coming out of the bottom of the pot
• put back in grow tent
• take 21 tablespoons (or 1 & 1/4 cups) of the 2-8-4 and just put it right on top of the soil
• do NOT water more at this point, just water as usual when the pot dries out

The 2-8-4 is measured per gallon of growing medium, not water.

"
GH FloraKleen

10g Triacontanol powder and Polysorbate 2.0 for SST
Alfalfa Sprouts for SST

Farmers Pride Seaweed
Blackstrap Molasses
Blue Planet Farmers Pride Grow
Advanced Nutes Big Bud, B-52, and Overdrive(from 1st grow in coco)
Masterblend
Gaia Green Bloom
Mammoth P(delivered tomorrow)
Recharge
xTreme Tea
MYCOS+
Mr Fulvic
PowerSi Bloom

Neem Seed Meal
Neem Oil
mosquito bits
Monterey Bt"

Honestly the Mykos and Recharge are the only other things on this list that I would consider you add at this point. Once you get a baseline established you can start adding things one at a time, or even doing comparisons side by side in your grows to see what they do? Might just be wasting your time and over-complicating a not so complicated process :)

Not sure how else to say this Wiz so here goes. Fk YEAH!
Straight to the dome bro
Picked up what you threw down 100% and was exactly what and how I needed to hear it. Sweeeeeet and like that I'm off like a prom dress to save PUFF DA MAGIC DRAGOOON lived by the sea

Thanks so much brotha

 

[PerfecTrader]

@PerfecTrader I did something similar to you. I added too much of the same thing. now look at her?

I want that I'm on the case and feelin funky fresh about it

 

[Moe.Red]

Did anyone win this thing yet?

 

[PerfecTrader]

Did anyone win this thing yet?

Ends in March but I know who is losing I'm not exactly growing, more like "stunting" but without the motorcycle

 

[Shaded_One]

Ends in March but I know who is losing I'm not exactly growing, more like "stunting" but without the motorcycle

meanwhile doggo in your profile pic staring at you like that the whole time

"this mf'er is adding what?"
"why is the amazon guy here again?"
"...this guys plants eat better than I do"

 

[Neueregel]

this reminds me of troubleshooting my aunties computer over the telephone the worst part is that you already sent them off to flower so nothing much we can do about it at this point except do what we can and hope for the best!

• sooooo take your pot into the bath thub and flush through clean water until you see nothing but clear water coming out of the bottom of the pot
• put back in grow tent
• take 21 tablespoons (or 1 & 1/4 cups) of the 2-8-4 and just put it right on top of the soil
• do NOT water more at this point, just water as usual when the pot dries out

The 2-8-4 is measured per gallon of growing medium, not water.

"
GH FloraKleen

10g Triacontanol powder and Polysorbate 2.0 for SST
Alfalfa Sprouts for SST

Farmers Pride Seaweed
Blackstrap Molasses
Blue Planet Farmers Pride Grow
Advanced Nutes Big Bud, B-52, and Overdrive(from 1st grow in coco)
Masterblend
Gaia Green Bloom
Mammoth P(delivered tomorrow)
Recharge
xTreme Tea
MYCOS+
Mr Fulvic
PowerSi Bloom

Neem Seed Meal
Neem Oil
mosquito bits
Monterey Bt"

Honestly the Mykos and Recharge are the only other things on this list that I would consider you add at this point. Once you get a baseline established you can start adding things one at a time, or even doing comparisons side by side in your grows to see what they do? Might just be wasting your time and over-complicating a not so complicated process :)

Hey Wizard king, do you use all of this stuff you listed here?

 

[RootsRuler]

I think at this point recharge isn't going to have enough time to do it's thing. Same with Mycos. I would just flush and reset nute and PH levels and stay on top of the watering.

As Shaded said, after you've flushed and ferted let her dryback for a few days and water in the PHed water to runoff. Check your runoff and note the PH. If it's far out of range then you'll know how much you need to adjust to get your soil PH where you want it.

Even the cheap Ebay soil PH meters work. If you can purchase one do it. Again, they're not the most exact but you just need to see how far out of range your soil PH is and how much you need to adjust.

I use one of these and it works fine for me:

Amazon.com

 

[PerfecTrader]

I think at this point recharge isn't going to have enough time to do it's thing. Same with Mycos. I would just flush and reset nute and PH levels and stay on top of the watering.

Roger that thanks

As Shaded said, after you've flushed and ferted let her dryback for a few days and water in the PHed water to runoff. Check your runoff and note the PH. If it's far out of range then you'll know how much you need to adjust to get your soil PH where you want it.

I am in the mode trying to flush but what do you know I'm struggling to get any kind of water where I want it. Just like always

Even the cheap Ebay soil PH meters work. If you can purchase one do it. Again, they're not the most exact but you just need to see how far out of range your soil PH is and how much you need to adjust.

I bought one but it only worked for a couple weeks. Once the soil dried back one time it wouldn't work. I may grab one though cause hey like Wiz says I need more amazon deliveries for sure

I use one of these and it works fine for me:

Amazon.com

repost por favor cause that is to a killer camera