Organic outdoor 2020!

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For my compost teas i use Tim Wilsons recipe and its rather basic, he actually says the imputes of guanos and other hot amendments that is halts or at least slowes your microbial bloom. But thats just the compost tea, i am about to try this really cool looking recipe from the Rhodale Institute:

How to Make Mesophyllic Alfalfa Fertilizer
  1. Divide a 50-pound bag of dry, 100% Alfalfa pellets into two big plastic tubs. (NOTE: Do not use brands of alfalfa that use beef tallow or soy oil as a binder. Only use 100% dehydrated pellets.)
  2. Place the tubs into two additional tubs for insulation (four tubs total, two with pellets and two for insulation).
  3. Throw one handful of rich soil or compost high in organic decay into each tub.
  4. Mix 1/2 cup of sugar with 9 gallons of warm water (1/4 cup sugar to 4-1/2 gallons of warm water; see step below).
  5. Pour 4-1/2 gallons of water into each tub with pellets and swirl the pellets around with a shovel until the water is absorbed evenly and the batch is uniform texture.
  6. Cut some cardboard to fit and place down on the meso mix. Cover with both tub lids and put as much insulation as possible on top, such as old blankets. Cover with a tarp to act as a final insulator and to keep the rain off.
  7. As it begins to decay it tends to cake up, so stir it at about 4-6 hours, then once again at about 24 hours. The batch should be ready around 36 to 40 hours (depending on outside temperatures).
  8. Watch out for stuff left too long in the vat! If the decaying material smells bad, there is either too much moisture or low oxygen content.
  9. Depending on the crop, we usually use one 50-pound bag of pellets (now weighing 122 pounds with the water added) per 500 square feet of raised bed.
This is a institution in gardening and some real fertilizer. Think kelp; alfalfa is also a bio-dynamic accumulator and its loaded with nitrogen! I am going to work on a similar recipe of my own involving alfalfa meal, and molasses and obviously a lot less volume. But right there boys and girls is how you feed a true field!!
Shaganja, i would be interested in hearing more about this fermentation i have read about a few different teas, like horsetail for different nutrient values. I started a lactic acid thread but got no real interest. I found the lactic acid fermentation process on a card in my over priced organic sprouting barley apparently its good for chickens
 
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For my compost teas i use Tim Wilsons recipe and its rather basic, he actually says the imputes of guanos and other hot amendments that is halts or at least slowes your microbial bloom. But thats just the compost tea, i am about to try this really cool looking recipe from the Rhodale Institute:

How to Make Mesophyllic Alfalfa Fertilizer
  1. Divide a 50-pound bag of dry, 100% Alfalfa pellets into two big plastic tubs. (NOTE: Do not use brands of alfalfa that use beef tallow or soy oil as a binder. Only use 100% dehydrated pellets.)
  2. Place the tubs into two additional tubs for insulation (four tubs total, two with pellets and two for insulation).
  3. Throw one handful of rich soil or compost high in organic decay into each tub.
  4. Mix 1/2 cup of sugar with 9 gallons of warm water (1/4 cup sugar to 4-1/2 gallons of warm water; see step below).
  5. Pour 4-1/2 gallons of water into each tub with pellets and swirl the pellets around with a shovel until the water is absorbed evenly and the batch is uniform texture.
  6. Cut some cardboard to fit and place down on the meso mix. Cover with both tub lids and put as much insulation as possible on top, such as old blankets. Cover with a tarp to act as a final insulator and to keep the rain off.
  7. As it begins to decay it tends to cake up, so stir it at about 4-6 hours, then once again at about 24 hours. The batch should be ready around 36 to 40 hours (depending on outside temperatures).
  8. Watch out for stuff left too long in the vat! If the decaying material smells bad, there is either too much moisture or low oxygen content.
  9. Depending on the crop, we usually use one 50-pound bag of pellets (now weighing 122 pounds with the water added) per 500 square feet of raised bed.
This is a institution in gardening and some real fertilizer. Think kelp; alfalfa is also a bio-dynamic accumulator and its loaded with nitrogen! I am going to work on a similar recipe of my own involving alfalfa meal, and molasses and obviously a lot less volume. But right there boys and girls is how you feed a true field!!
Shaganja, i would be interested in hearing more about this fermentation i have read about a few different teas, like horsetail for different nutrient values. I started a lactic acid thread but got no real interest. I found the lactic acid fermentation process on a card in my over priced organic sprouting barley apparently its good for chickens
Yes, horse tail is on the list also. The list is quite big, and the plants we need are right around us. dandelions are everywhere in the u.s. up north, and down south. So that's one everyone can use. Kelly from dragonfly says to look around your yard, and bushes to see what starts growing first thing in the spring. These plants are very vigorous, since no matter what, we always find them growing. These vigourous plants are the ones we want the energy from. They recommend harvesting them before sunrise, but I have yet to find a way I'm gonna be on my hands and knees in the dark with a flashlight picking two five gallons of plant matter. Lol maybe one day, I will be motivated for that. Lol that's funny you said horsetail. This is the next one I am doing! There is shit tons of it around!
 
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Omg farmers! This dandelion fermented plant juice is pretty much wine! They say to taste your juice to see if it's good. Shit.....I was gonna keep it for myself, and screw the kids! Lol it tastes like wine!
But I didn't. Got around a half a bucket of juice. I had to wring the dandelions by hand tho. Must find a better way to do this. Filled it up to top with water, to dilute a bit, and fed the girls!
Will see how they like it tomorrow
 
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Everybody's happy! We hit 42 degrees last night too!
 
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Does anybody pee on their plants? Yesterday I did this. Don't tell my wife. She thinks it's gross.
I eat healthy. Not fast food, or boxed shit. Except cereal. Cereal is awesome! Lol favorite munchie food ever! I peed in a bucket for about two pots of coffee worth. Filled about two inches up. Filled the rest with river water. I guess you have to dilute your pee. Depends on diet. And fed it to the girls! Lol cheap fertilizer!
Horsetail f.p.j. is next! Then clover!
 
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Horsetail everywhere next to road. Walked the dog same time! Got two garbage bags full. Got another batch going.
I missed it this year, but it looks like skunk cabbage starts first thing when the snow is melting. So far my list as they appear are
Skunk cabbage
Dandelions
Horsetail
The next one I'm seeing up here is clover.
It's almost like mother nature put those there at just that time, so we can use them.
 
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Does anybody pee on their plants? Yesterday I did this. Don't tell my wife. She thinks it's gross.
I eat healthy. Not fast food, or boxed shit. Except cereal. Cereal is awesome! Lol favorite munchie food ever! I peed in a bucket for about two pots of coffee worth. Filled about two inches up. Filled the rest with river water. I guess you have to dilute your pee. Depends on diet. And fed it to the girls! Lol cheap fertilizer!
Horsetail f.p.j. is next! Then clover!
Its fine to do...however it always has to be diluted because it's too hot in npk if it's not diluted. Read lots of studies on it. Most dont do it because they think its gross lol
 
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Biological intelligence. This phrase I first heard from Kelly of Dragonfly earth medicine. She explains plants that outside, growing from mother earth have intelligence that indoor does not. This is why many indoor strains brought outside have issues. The plant has to reacclimate with mother earth and the fungal freeway underground. When these plants spend three seasons back outside, they regain this intelligence. There is a speak of starting an outdoor seed bank, that only sells outdoor seeds. This gives the outdoor grower an advantage. This intelligence is crucial for creating the most medicinal product. What do you guys think of the idea that outdoor seeds have smarts that indoor seeds do not.
 
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Biological intelligence. This phrase I first heard from Kelly of Dragonfly earth medicine. She explains plants that outside, growing from mother earth have intelligence that indoor does not. This is why many indoor strains brought outside have issues. The plant has to reacclimate with mother earth and the fungal freeway underground. When these plants spend three seasons back outside, they regain this intelligence. There is a speak of starting an outdoor seed bank, that only sells outdoor seeds. This gives the outdoor grower an advantage. This intelligence is crucial for creating the most medicinal product. What do you guys think of the idea that outdoor seeds have smarts that indoor seeds do not.
Regenerativeseeds.com looks like they got a few organic breeders to jump on board! Very excited for this!
 
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Whoever told you food correlates to PM shouldn't be listened to ever again 🤣🤣🤣 The plant doesn't care where it's food comes from, it's all the same. To minimize it in the worst way, it can be summed up as synthetic focuses on feeding plant whereas organic feeds soil. Again, most rudimentary way of looking at it, but a general truth nonetheless

Cheers!!!
 
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Biological intelligence. This phrase I first heard from Kelly of Dragonfly earth medicine. She explains plants that outside, growing from mother earth have intelligence that indoor does not. This is why many indoor strains brought outside have issues. The plant has to reacclimate with mother earth and the fungal freeway underground. When these plants spend three seasons back outside, they regain this intelligence. There is a speak of starting an outdoor seed bank, that only sells outdoor seeds. This gives the outdoor grower an advantage. This intelligence is crucial for creating the most medicinal product. What do you guys think of the idea that outdoor seeds have smarts that indoor seeds do not.

My man are u serious? U really need to get a grip and be real with yourself because ur talking about plants outdoors have "smarts"? Wtf does that even mean? And if u take pkants from indoor and put em outdoor and they have some issues its called shock. When they get adjusted to the sun they rebound nicely and are off to the races. From ur posts and ur pics ur a new grower so why don't u keep it simple and worry about getting a good run under ur belt before u try to preach cus it is annoying, misleading and plain stupid sounding. Organic grown seeds are no better then synthetic grown seeds and seeds don't have smarts get real
 
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My man are u serious? U really need to get a grip and be real with yourself because ur talking about plants outdoors have "smarts"? Wtf does that even mean? And if u take pkants from indoor and put em outdoor and they have some issues its called shock. When they get adjusted to the sun they rebound nicely and are off to the races. From ur posts and ur pics ur a new grower so why don't u keep it simple and worry about getting a good run under ur belt before u try to preach cus it is annoying, misleading and plain stupid sounding. Organic grown seeds are no better then synthetic grown seeds and seeds don't have smarts get real
Not preaching my friend. Just repeating knowledge from reputable breeders. I'm sorry if you can't understand.
 
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Whoever told you food correlates to PM shouldn't be listened to ever again 🤣🤣🤣 The plant doesn't care where it's food comes from, it's all the same. To minimize it in the worst way, it can be summed up as synthetic focuses on feeding plant whereas organic feeds soil. Again, most rudimentary way of looking at it, but a general truth nonetheless

Cheers!!!
So don't listen to jeff lowenfels? Or Elaine Ingram? Or Josh and Kelly of dragonfly earth?
Lmao!
 
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So don't listen to jeff lowenfels? Or Elaine Ingram? Or Josh and Kelly of dragonfly earth?
Lmao!
I'm not sure why pure diff hates organic, but I always seeing him knock it. Did somebody smoke you down with organic that is better than yours? Why the hate for mother nature? You guys have to do some studying before you try to knock no till regenerative. Don't try to dissuade ppl from organic gardening. It's only way to save mother earth.
 
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I'm not sure why pure diff hates organic, but I always seeing him knock it. Did somebody smoke you down with organic that is better than yours? Why the hate for mother nature? You guys have to do some studying before you try to knock no till regenerative. Don't try to dissuade ppl from organic gardening. It's only way to save mother earth.

Lol ur a clown. I dont hate on organic i have grown organic before and it works. But u are far too inexperienced to make claims and act like a no it all when u are a new grower. The sources u keep talking about aren't doing double blind studies or backing their shit up with scientific fact that organic is the best way to grow. The best growers I know dont do full organic. Ur a new grower so fall back and put up some harvests before u act like u know what ur talking about. Think about what ur saying, happy seeds? Lol thats a fucking joke
 
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And Josh and Kelly are not anybody I would listen to. Look if u wanna do the no till, aact tea brewing super organic grow thats cool but don't go acting like it's the best or only way cus thats bullshit. obviously you aren't very seasoned and your grow looks super small which is all good for you my man I am happy for you but don't say dumb shot like plants have intelligence when grown in mother earth lol u sound retarded.
 
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Wow ...once again this is someone else thread. Make your own and argue there.
 
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And Josh and Kelly are not anybody I would listen to. Look if u wanna do the no till, aact tea brewing super organic grow thats cool but don't go acting like it's the best or only way cus thats bullshit. Especially from the guy that sends me dms asking me for help and needing knowledge so obviously you aren't very seasoned and your grow looks super small which is all good for you my man I am happy for you but don't say dumb shot like plants have intelligence when grown in mother earth lol u sound retarded.
I'm not preaching at anybody dude. This is thc farmer. A place where cannabis farmers share information. I'm sharing a new technique that is really old, used by indigenous ppl centuries ago. On top of that, this is enzyme thread about organic 2020! Lol you need to do some studying before you try to trash this technique. And if you disagree with dragonfly, Elaine Ingram, Josh leonfels, and and few others, than that's your business. They are trying to save the planet, by working with mother earth. And Googled "plants talk to each other." The fungal freeway is a communication network for plants. They can actually help each other also. Companion planting. So by calling me names, you are making yourself look like an ass.
 
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Sorry great Lakes, but idk what the deal is with these ppl jumping on to disrespect what we are trying to share.
 

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