Our World

[vierundzwanzig]

exactly that's why its a game to them

 

[squiggly]

Interesting to note is how the media ignores all the deformed babies and DNA mutations due to the DU (depleted uranium) as a direct result from our nuke bombs. And the microwave weaponry that makes the human body (which is mostly water) explode into nothing.

Depleted uranium is a coating on tank shells--its not from nukes.

Other than that, yeah that's pretty fucked up.

 

[vierundzwanzig]

@squiggly

i read a newspaper from 1914 and they pushed lead and zinc based paints over mixed paints
stating one application of the lead based covered 9 xs the space of the mixed stuff
followed by...look at the savings to be had.

we now know that the lead stuff does what?

thanks for jarring my memory of how thorough they are when they use science

 

[kolah]

During my cancer battle I had 14 mercury fillings removed and replaced with plastic and porcelin (sp?). Many years ago Dr Hal Huggins DDS was the pioneer who stood up and informed the public about the dangers of mercury fillings and he started extracting and replacing them. Of course, this did not last long as the powers in charge quickly labeled him a Quack and took his license and ruined him. He was called a conspiracy nut by many but look how the truth finally surfaced.

Read about the "Mad-hatters." These were guys who made hats with brims filled with mercury to better mold the hats and they were all going nut-so. It was traced back to mercury poisoning.

 

[sanvanalona]

I find the idea of American exceptionalism a rather shitty one. It leads us to certain failure as we can literally not progress if we feel that "we" are the best in the world at everything and when that is just not the truth. The reason I am bringing this up is because I have read about Squigs support for the troops/and the response from dirk, which i find myself agreeing with. This American exceptionalsim has led to people morphing nationalism and religion, an idea that certain people can do no wrong and are out there killing people for us. The notion that "I support the troops" has become so inundated to the American psyche that to say anything of the opposite can entice anger from the more religiously/politically morphed people in our bunch. This is wrong. Kids that choose to go and kill people for reasons they could not comprehend nor care to look all that much into I do not support. I do not support the killing of innocent women and children for the possibilities of "future deaths", and this is a good segway to my next point, the one about Saddam. Yes, there is no arguing Saddam was a shitty individual, bent on greed, power, and killing (much like our good ole g.w.), but it is absurd to think that he would of killed over a million civilians had he stayed alive, that just is far fetched. Saddam had money from oil sure, but was literally stuck in the desert post Iraq war 1, no weapons were flowing in from the West anymore and good luck competing with Africa on what is left of the Soviet Union weaponry. These over-reaching engagements in other country's affairs are the certain downfall of not only our economy but of our world status.

 

[marski420]

 

[dirk d]

what a great girl! I love her!! squiggly you should watch this every day for a week.

 

[dirk d]

Sometimes I feel that nothing i can do will make a difference. Well it's time to change that way of thinking.

Logic started a great movement with his GMO Labeling campaign. Did my first batch of GMO warnings stickers last night and even though it won't make much of a difference maybe a couple people's mind's will be awoken to this threat in Our World. I highly recommend that everyone print some of these labels and start awakening some minds. Together anything is possible.



If the ingredients of a product are any of the following, the product is likely to contain GMOs and therefore SHOULD be labeled:

• Anything that contains: NON-ORGANIC corn, NON-ORGANIC soy, NON-ORGANIC canola, NON-ORGANIC cottonseed
• Animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) that are not organic can contain genetically modified hormones and were probably fed GMO food!
• Most chemical additives to food are made from GMO corn and soy.
• Sugar! Much of the sugar in the US is made from GMO sugar beets, including brown sugar.

Here is a partial list of high-risk ingredients:
· Aspartame
· Baking powder
· Canola Oil
· Cornmeal
· Corn oil
· Corn starch
· Corn syrup
· Cottonseed Oil
· Dextrose
· Food Colorings
· Fructose
· Glucose
· Isoflavin
· Lecithin
· Modified food starch
· MSG
· Soy meal
· Soy Protein Isolate
· Tempeh
· Tofu
· TVP (textured vegetable protein)
· Vegetable Oil
· Vitamin B-12
· Vitamin E
· Xanthan gum
· Yeast extract

(taken from Logic's thread, Thanks Logic!)

 

[Dirty White Boy]

heres one for ya name a list of safe foods.....anyone.....someone make up a grocery list of foods that are safe, thats a harder task for sure.....

 

[dirk d]

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Foods For The Gerson Diet

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"Let food be your medicine, and medicine be your food"

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The two most important aspects of the Gerson approach to healing are freshness and purity. All of the foods ingested on the Gerson Therapy must be fresh, organically or biologically grown, and consumed in their most natural form.

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We strongly recommend that the patient does not add to or change the dietary guidelines without the advice of a certified Gerson Therapy practitioner. While many patients have used appropriate, compatible additions or adjuncts to the diet that have helped their healing process, there are many others who have failed to heal because they made too many "minor modifications" to the Gerson Therapy protocol. The Gerson Therapy has been shown to be successful in achieving remission and cure in many different diseases when used as directed; modifications may or may not affect the outcome of your particular condition, but significant alteration without medical advice from someone knowledgeable about the biochemical basis of the Gerson approach may reduce one’s chances for recovery.

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Desirable Foods

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* Patients with collagen related illnesses must avoid citrus juices and fruits. For all others, citrus juice is optional. Only one citrus juice a day is allowed and may be replaced for a carrot and apple juice.

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Asparagus

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Mangoes

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Apples

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Melons

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Apricots

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Oatmeal

Artichoke

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Onions

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Arugula

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Beets and tops

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Oranges*

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Broccoli

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Parsley and parsley root

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Brown sugar

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Peaches

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Horseradish (grated, not bottled)

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Pears

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Cabbage, red & leaves (smaller

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Pepper, green and red Bell pepper

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quantities–gas producing)

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Plums

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Carrots

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Potatoes

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Cauliflower

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Radishes (not the leaves)

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Celery Knob or stalks​

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Raw fruit

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Chards, all kinds

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Rhubarb

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Cherries

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Rice brown (if allowed)

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Chicory

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Romaine

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Chives

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Cilantro

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Rye bread (unsalted, non-fat)

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Corn (ONLY if allowed by physician)

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Spices
(small amounts only): allspice, anise, bay leaves,

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Currants

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Coriander, dill, fennel, mace, marjoram, rosemary, sage,

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Eggplant

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saffron, tarragon, thyme, sorrel, summer savory.

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Endives

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Spinach (cooked only)

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Escarole

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Squash

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Flax oil (organic, not high lignan)

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Sweet potatoes

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Fruit dried unsulphured as raisins,

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Swiss chard

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peaches, dates, figs, apricots and prunes
(stewed or pre-soaked only)

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Tangerines

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Fruits fresh (except all berries and pineapple)

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Tomatoes

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Garlic

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Vegetables (except mushrooms, leaves of: carrots,

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Grapefruit*

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radishes, spinach and mustard green)

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Grapes

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Vinegar (wine or cider)

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Green beans

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Watercress

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Honey

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Yams

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Juices, freshly pressed, as prescribed

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Yogurt, non-fat, organic Horizon, Brown Cow, 7 Stars

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Kale

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(after the sixth week on the Gerson Therapy

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Leeks

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or as allowed by the physician)

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Lemons*
Occasionally Allowed Foods
Breads made from whole rye --

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Sweeteners: maple syrup (grade B) or honey or unrefined blackstrap molasses may be used at 1‐2 teaspoons a day maximum.

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Brown or wild rice – once a week

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Yams and sweet potatoes – once a week

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Banana – ½ a week

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Organic popcorn – a holiday treat only

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Prohibited Foods
Alcohol
Ice cream
Animal fats
Legume-based food products
Avocados
Manufactured (processed) foods
Baking soda
Margarine or oil based spreads
Berries
Meats
Bicarbonate of soda in food,
toothpaste or gargle
Mushrooms
Black tea and other non-herbal teas
Mustard
Bottled
Nut butters and any other source of dietary fats
Butter
Nuts and seeds
Cake
Oils and fats, and any foods that contain them. except flaxseed oil, as specifically prescribed
Candy
This includes corn oil, olive oil, canola oil, vegetable oil
Canned
Cheese
Pineapples
Chocolate
Preserved; refined, salted, smoked, and sulfured foods
Cocoa
Protein powders or supplements, including barley or Coconuts
algae based powders
Coffee as a regular beverage
Proteins and high-protein foods
Commercial beverages
Salt, table salt, sea salt, celery salt, Creamvegetable salt, Bragg Aminos, Cream and other dairy fatstamari, soy sauce, "lite salt" or salt substitutes
Cucumbers
Seafood, and other animals
Epson salts, sodium-based baking powders, Soy and soy products and anything with "sodium" in its name
Spices, pepper, paprika, basil and oregano
Fluorine in toothpaste
Spinach (raw) (allowed cooked only)
Frozen foods
Sprouted alfalfa and other bean or seed sprouts
Hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils’
White flour
Olean, Olestra or other "fat substitutes"White sugar

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The following is an explanation for some of the foods on the Prohibited List.

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Salt and Sodium
Salt and sodium in all forms, including table salt, sea salt, celery salt, vegetable salt, Bragg Aminos, tamari, soy sauce, "lite salt", baking soda, Epsom salts, sodium-based baking powders, and anything with "sodium" in its name, as well as salt substitutes.

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Oils and Fats

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Oils and fats, and any foods that contain them. This includes corn oils, olive oils, canola oils, and all other vegetable oils except flax-seed oil as specifically prescribed; butter, cheese, cream and other dairy fats; all animal fats; all margarines or oil-based spreads; coconuts and avocado; all hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils; Olean, Olestra or other "fat substitutes"; nut butters; and any other source of dietary fats, except as naturally occurring in allowed foods.

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Proteins and High-Protein Foods
Proteins and high-protein foods, such as meats, seafood, and other animal proteins; nuts and seeds; soy or other legume-based food products; all protein powders or supplements, including barley or spirulina and chlorella, unless specifically used when prescribed for protein supplementation.

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Outside of these three categories, there are other foods that must be "off-limits" until the patient is completely healed, and in some cases, even after full recovery. Almost all packaged, prepared ("convenience") foods (frozen, bottled, or boxed) must be forsaken for health reasons. Restaurant food will almost always be unacceptable, both because it is rarely organic, and almost always cooked with added salt, fats, and other additives inappropriate to the Gerson diet.

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Patients new to the Gerson Therapy often comment that Gerson’s list of prohibited foods is much longer and more restrictive than other "natural" or "holistic" approaches to healing and wellness. The Gerson approach looks at everything that goes into, or on, the body as important to the healing process. It is through this attention to detail that we are able to accomplish healing even in some extremely advanced cases, or in diseases that are otherwise not curable.

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We have, whenever possible endeavored to provide a brief explanation why the various foods are not allowed on the diet.

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[dirk d]

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General prohibitions

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All manufactured (processed) foods: bottled, canned, frozen, preserved, refined, salted, smoked, and sulfured.

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Dairy products

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All milk and milk products (including goat’s milk), such as cheese, cream, ice cream, ice milk, butter or buttermilk, except as specifically allowed under proteins. Dairy products are generally extremely high in fat; an 8 oz. Serving of 2% milk contains more fat than two strips of bacon! Cheeses can be as much as 65% fat, and are usually very high in sodium. Even "fat free" cheeses usually have undesirable additives, and are high in sodium. Buttermilk is prohibited because the commercial buttermilk now available is "cultured", rather than churned, and is high in fat and sodium. Except plain, organic, non-fat yogurt after 6-8 weeks.

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Alcohol

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Alcohol is prohibited because it limits the blood’s ability to carry oxygen, places additional strain on the liver to detoxify and remove it from the body; and is, in general, toxic.

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Pineapples and berries

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Max Gerson found that a number of his patients were experiencing allergic reactions, apparently to the aromatic acids present in pineapple and berries. Dr. Gerson felt that the aromatics interfere with healing. For this reason, pineapples and berries are prohibited.

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Avocados

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Avocados are too high in fats.

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Cucumbers

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Cucumbers, in combination with the juices, are difficult to digest and are high in sodium.

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Spices

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Spices (black pepper, paprika, basil, oregano, and others not specifically permitted) are prohibited because of their high content of aromatic acids.

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Soy Beans and Products

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Soy beans and products, including tofu, tempeh, miso, tamari, and other soy sauces, Bragg’s Aminos, textured vegetable protein, soy milk, and all other soy-based products. These are prohibited for a variety of different reasons including high fat, sodium and/or protein content, and the presence of toxic inhibitors to nutrient absorption.

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Alfalfa sprouts have been found to be high in l-canavanine, an immature amino acid that can cause immune suppression. Patients without a prior history who have used sprouts in juices have reported sudden onset of arthritic-like joint pains and other undesirable side effects. This has only been studied in alfalfa; we do not know if this effect applies to other sprouts, but we recommend caution. Before adding sprouts to your diet, discuss it with an experienced Gerson practitioner.

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Oils and Fats

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With the exception of fresh raw flax seed oil, no oils or fats of any kind are permitted.

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Beef, Pork, Poultry, Eggs, Fish, Seafood, and All other Meat or Animal Flesh Products

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Black Tea and Other Non-Herbal or Caffeine-containing Teas

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Black tea and other non-herbal teas are prohibited because they contain caffeine, which is undesirable when introduced by mouth, and because they often contain undesirable aromatic acids (see discussion under Berries above)

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Candy, cakes, muffins, pastries, and other refined sweets are prohibited because they almost always contain one or more prohibited ingredients, such as fats, oils, refined sugars or flours, salt, soda, baking powder, or dairy products.

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Note that some breads and pastries can be made using permitted ingredients; these can help to make the diet more interesting, but should not be consumed on a regular basis (i.e., only on special occasions)

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Contrary to the commonly heard recommendation to "drink 8 glasses of water a day", Gerson strongly believed that a Gerson patient should not drink water, so as to avoid diluting the stomach acid, and to allow maximum capacity for nutrition from fresh foods and juices. If the patient is taking less than 13 juices, he/she may need to augment with tea or other fluid.

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Mushrooms

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Standard white mushrooms are not a vegetable, but a fungus. They are difficult to digest, and provide little nutrition.

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Coffee and Coffee Substitutes by Mouth

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Coffee and coffee substitutes by mouth, both with and without caffeine. Taken by mouth, coffee effects undesirable stimulation of the digestive system, and the caffeine acts as an undesirable stimulant to the central nervous system. Coffee is also virtually devoid of nutrients. However, when taken rectally, it has an entirely different, and desirable effect on the body.

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Nuts and Seeds

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Nuts and seeds, including almonds, apricot kernels, sunflower seeds, flax seeds, peanuts, cashews, and all other nuts and seeds, are prohibited because they are high in protein, generally high in fat, often salted, difficult to digest and abundant in enzyme inhibitors.

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Commercial beverages, juices, sodas of all types almost always have refined sugars, carbonation, or other undesirable additives, and are all but devoid of essential nutrients. In addition, consumption of these beverages reduces capacity for desirable fresh, organic foods and juices.

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Hot Peppers

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Hot peppers (jalapeños, etc) contain the same strong aromatics found in prohibited spices. These may inhibit healing responses and should be avoided. Green, yellow, and sweet red peppers may be used without limitation.

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Of Course following this list is pretty serious business. However just taking a few things here and adjusting a few things there will do wonders for your diet. After awhile you will notice that it's not that difficult at all! good luck... ​

 

[sanvanalona]

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Hot Peppers

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Hot peppers (jalapeños, etc) contain the same strong aromatics found in prohibited spices. These may inhibit healing responses and should be avoided. Green, yellow, and sweet red peppers may be used without limitation.

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Of Course following this list is pretty serious business. However just taking a few things here and adjusting a few things there will do wonders for your diet. After awhile you will notice that it's not that difficult at all! good luck... ​

I am not sure that I agree with this, from my personal experience. You see I come from a mixed background; my mother is a 3rd generation American with French roots, and my dad is a Mexican immigrant that came here over fifty years ago. Now on my American side of my family we have a very low life expectancy, around the age of 60 from all my relatives that have passed. But, on my mexican side the life expectancy is over 90, you see my dad is the third youngest in a family of 14! No one has passed under the age of 85 and they all live off of the hottest peppers. Seriously my dad drinks salsa, no joke. I have always thought that the hot peppers attributed to the longevity, as Thai people live long and seem to enjoy the hot spice too. Obviously, there is no proof that I have to back up my statement, just observation I guess. Anyway, great list Dirk! I love learning about taking better care of my body, use to not give a shit but after growing I have really come to appreciate that what gets put in to the body will eventually come back out, for better or worse. Anyway, good looking out on that list!

 

[dirk d]

You know Sanvanalona, I love Hot peppers even make a bad ass habanero vodka. This is basically a diet for a cancer patient where they are on the strickest of diets, so im sure it could be tweaked. I think the main point that should be taken about the foods we need to put into our bodies should come from organic fresh local foods. Very little meat and lots of Organic Vegetables and Fruits.

It's really funny because i never thought about what i ate. Trips to Taco Bell after football practice and daily 4 bean burritos. I drank so much cola and shit god only knows what my blood sugar levels were lol. When you start living a truely healthier life you can't go back.

Nutrition should be on all of our minds. Every doctor should be required to be an expert on nutrition. Imagine our plants, we they have a deficiency they tell us by being weak and straggly. But when we give them everything they need they are strong, upright, happy plants. Same with our bodies.

 

[dirk d]

One of my all time favorites!

 

[sanvanalona]

You know Sanvanalona, I love Hot peppers even make a bad ass habanero vodka. This is basically a diet for a cancer patient where they are on the strickest of diets, so im sure it could be tweaked. I think the main point that should be taken about the foods we need to put into our bodies should come from organic fresh local foods. Very little meat and lots of Organic Vegetables and Fruits.

It's really funny because i never thought about what i ate. Trips to Taco Bell after football practice and daily 4 bean burritos. I drank so much cola and shit god only knows what my blood sugar levels were lol. When you start living a truely healthier life you can't go back.

Nutrition should be on all of our minds. Every doctor should be required to be an expert on nutrition. Imagine our plants, we they have a deficiency they tell us by being weak and straggly. But when we give them everything they need they are strong, upright, happy plants. Same with our bodies.

Thanks for the clarification. I agree it makes a lot of sense to feed ourselves properly, I feel like a little kid in this arena.

 

[dirk d]

So been doing a lot of research on nutrition on all these harmful substances in our food.


why the fu** is there MSG in some baby formulas??? wtf

 

[dirk d]

 

[dirk d]

 

[dirk d]

wow lots of people who die of heart attacks have just eaten a meal..msg induced heart attacks and strokes.

 

[dirk d]