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oldskol4evr · Oct 25, 2019

I did a slurry test today after re-calibrating my ph tester. I didn't like the idea of digging down into the soil from the top to get a sample from deep inside so I cut a door into my pot and took a sample by taking a core from the center of the plant. I then sealing up my door after filling the hole with new damp soil. I mixed the sample with 2 parts distilled water mixed vigorously for 5 minutes and let sit for over an hour. I then tested it and got a 5.30. ( I'll again test tomorrow after leaving it for another 24hrs)

I sprinkled a tbs of powdered Dolomite lime onto the surface before watering it with 2 gallons of 4/4/4 /gal MBG . I then tested the runoff to compare and it read 5.30 as well. It hardly seems worth a doing a deepsoil slurry test if I get the same results with runoff as I do with a slurry test and far less damage to the root system. A slurry test before I use my medium sound like an idea though.

I don't have any of that same ProMix left.I used it all on my last 4 plants so I can't do a test on it. I bought a new bale of growing medium very similar to Promix I'll do a slurry test on it before I use it just to see where I stand to start.

I hope the Dolomite helps my leaves aren't looking good and I'm seeing issue on my other 3 so I gotta get this sht figured out soon.
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just put the bucket into another bucket and done bro,glad you finally did the slurry you sounded pretty frustrated yesterday,go easy on the lime let it workin the mix since you choose to do that,small increments over the week as you feed asuming you feed more than once a week

Jimster · Oct 25, 2019

oldskol4evr said:
I did a slurry test today after re-calibrating my ph tester. I didn't like the idea of digging down into the soil from the top to get a sample from deep inside so I cut a door into my pot and took a sample by taking a core from the center of the plant. I then sealing up my door after filling the hole with new damp soil. I mixed the sample with 2 parts distilled water mixed vigorously for 5 minutes and let sit for over an hour. I then tested it and got a 5.30. ( I'll again test tomorrow after leaving it for another 24hrs)

I sprinkled a tbs of powdered Dolomite lime onto the surface before watering it with 2 gallons of 4/4/4 /gal MBG . I then tested the runoff to compare and it read 5.30 as well. It hardly seems worth a doing a deepsoil slurry test if I get the same results with runoff as I do with a slurry test and far less damage to the root system. A slurry test before I use my medium sound like an idea though.

I don't have any of that same ProMix left.I used it all on my last 4 plants so I can't do a test on it. I bought a new bale of growing medium very similar to Promix I'll do a slurry test on it before I use it just to see where I stand to start.

I hope the Dolomite helps my leaves aren't looking good and I'm seeing issue on my other 3 so I gotta get this sht figured out soon.

just put the bucket into another bucket and done bro,glad you finally did the slurry you sounded pretty frustrated yesterday,go easy on the lime let it workin the mix since you choose to do that,small increments over the week as you feed asuming you feed more than once a week
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I wish I had beter ideas. One thing that I noticed is that yu have a bag of crushed limestone, which takes longer to do it's magic as opposed to quicklime, which is more of an immediate release. I don't knw how much difference it makes timewise, but I know that they can't always be used interchangeably. I hate to suggest anything more since I've come up empty so far. Keep an eye on the Ph where you added the crushed limestone, since it's slower action could swing things out of whack a little later on.

Beachwalker · Oct 25, 2019

I did a slurry test today after re-calibrating my ph tester. I didn't like the idea of digging down into the soil from the top to get a sample from deep inside so I cut a door into my pot and took a sample by taking a core from the center of the plant. I then sealing up my door after filling the hole with new damp soil. I mixed the sample with 2 parts distilled water mixed vigorously for 5 minutes and let sit for over an hour. I then tested it and got a 5.30. ( I'll again test tomorrow after leaving it for another 24hrs)

I sprinkled a tbs of powdered Dolomite lime onto the surface before watering it with 2 gallons of 4/4/4 /gal MBG . I then tested the runoff to compare and it read 5.30 as well. It hardly seems worth a doing a deepsoil slurry test if I get the same results with runoff as I do with a slurry test and far less damage to the root system. A slurry test before I use my medium sound like an idea though.

I don't have any of that same ProMix left.I used it all on my last 4 plants so I can't do a test on it. I bought a new bale of growing medium very similar to Promix I'll do a slurry test on it before I use it just to see where I stand to start.

I hope the Dolomite helps my leaves aren't looking good and I'm seeing issue on my other 3 so I gotta get this sht figured out soon.

Glad you found some, I think it's like this product

..as Jim said it's going to be slower than quicklime but quicklime is dangerous you can burn a plant real fast with quicklime!

I think what you got is the same as this notice the stated purpose on the bottom of this bag " increases soil pH", hope it works for you my friend keep us informed

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PipeCarver · Oct 25, 2019

oldskol4evr said:
I did a slurry test today after re-calibrating my ph tester. I didn't like the idea of digging down into the soil from the top to get a sample from deep inside so I cut a door into my pot and took a sample by taking a core from the center of the plant. I then sealing up my door after filling the hole with new damp soil. I mixed the sample with 2 parts distilled water mixed vigorously for 5 minutes and let sit for over an hour. I then tested it and got a 5.30. ( I'll again test tomorrow after leaving it for another 24hrs)

I sprinkled a tbs of powdered Dolomite lime onto the surface before watering it with 2 gallons of 4/4/4 /gal MBG . I then tested the runoff to compare and it read 5.30 as well. It hardly seems worth a doing a deepsoil slurry test if I get the same results with runoff as I do with a slurry test and far less damage to the root system. A slurry test before I use my medium sound like an idea though.

I don't have any of that same ProMix left.I used it all on my last 4 plants so I can't do a test on it. I bought a new bale of growing medium very similar to Promix I'll do a slurry test on it before I use it just to see where I stand to start.

I hope the Dolomite helps my leaves aren't looking good and I'm seeing issue on my other 3 so I gotta get this sht figured out soon.

just put the bucket into another bucket and done bro,glad you finally did the slurry you sounded pretty frustrated yesterday,go easy on the lime let it workin the mix since you choose to do that,small increments over the week as you feed asuming you feed more than once a week
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No I only feed once a week. feed let dry, water let dry and so on , as recommended by the General Hydroponics feed schedule.

PipeCarver · Oct 26, 2019

PipeCarver said:
just put the bucket into another bucket and done bro,glad you finally did the slurry you sounded pretty frustrated yesterday,go easy on the lime let it workin the mix since you choose to do that,small increments over the week as you feed asuming you feed more than once a week

No I only feed once a week. feed let dry, water let dry and so on , as recommended by the General Hydroponics feed schedule.
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Oct 26 update, Its been a rough week, after diagnosing my leaf problem to be low soil ph I've spent the week trying to cure this / these sick girls. All plants are having some leaf issues and I believe it all to be related to the low soil ph.
I trimmed some of the worst effected leaves on the Cherry Bomb and the new growth looks much better than last weeks so I hope we're on the right path.
My 2 KC39's are spreading out and filling in, more so than my Bubba Kush which doesn't have the undergrowth yet I'd like to see before I flip them but times a ticking I gotta get these girls healthy before I go 12/12

I intend on turning them all this week after I treat them all with a tbs dolomite lime sprinkled on the top before feeding.

My 4 Cherry Bomb clones are growing well and I took a cutting of my Bubba Kush to keep her going into the future as well.
I've got the heat and humidity in a nice place in my flower room with my new 1000w Eye Hortilux 78f lights on & 55% humidity. lights off 68 & 65% humidity.

Beachwalker · Oct 26, 2019

So this curly leaf this is similar to what I had when I had low soil PH and was feeding too heavy

I thought it was tobacco mosaic virus but I don't believe it is anymore I believe it's exactly what you're chasing I think you're on the right track I think it's just a matter of getting your pH Up quicklime would be a quick way to do it but it's also kind of risky, I would add a couple level tablespoons per plant, rake it in the top inch then water in

Can you remind me what & how heavy you're feeling?

Minitiger · Oct 26, 2019

@PipeCarver Nice little grow. I don’t know if you mentioned this in the thread, as I just kinda skimmed over it, but where is that Cherry Bomb you have from? Is that Swazi Seeds Cherry Bomb or another breeders?

Re: the issues you’re having: I’d recommend getting out of that ProMix/General Hydropnics BS and switching over to a good organic soil mix. Make your own soil and you never have to worry about the dirt you buy. Plus, you can just keep using your initial batch of soil over and over again for years. And you don’t have to keep buying General Hydropnics garbage nutrients every run, either. In fact, you don’t really have to buy any “nutrients” at all, once your soil’s all mixed up. Happy to turn you on to an excellent soil recipe that’s worked very well for me for about four years now, if you’re interested.

PipeCarver · Oct 26, 2019

Minitiger said:
@PipeCarver Nice little grow. I don’t know if you mentioned this in the thread, as I just kinda skimmed over it, but where is that Cherry Bomb you have from? Is that Swazi Seeds Cherry Bomb or another breeders?

Re: the issues you’re having: I’d recommend getting out of that ProMix/General Hydropnics BS and switching over to a good organic soil mix. Make your own soil and you never have to worry about the dirt you buy. Plus, you can just keep using your initial batch of soil over and over again for years. And you don’t have to keep buying General Hydropnics garbage nutrients every run, either. In fact, you don’t really have to buy any “nutrients” at all, once your soil’s all mixed up. Happy to turn you on to an excellent soil recipe that’s worked very well for me for about four years now, if you’re interested.

Thanks for the offer but right now I've got a whole bunch of the GN nutes I'm not going to toss. I've used their sht for years without problems but I hear what you're saying. It'll be another year before I need more nutes so I'll think about going a different route when I'm out. I bought a gallon of each,bloom,micro,grow at 30% off going out of business sale So I'm loaded up for a while.

oldskol4evr · Oct 26, 2019

PipeCarver said:
No I only feed once a week. feed let dry, water let dry and so on , as recommended by the General Hydroponics feed schedule.

Oct 26 update, Its been a rough week, after diagnosing my leaf problem to be low soil ph I've spent the week trying to cure this / these sick girls. All plants are having some leaf issues and I believe it all to be related to the low soil ph.
I trimmed some of the worst effected leaves on the Cherry Bomb and the new growth looks much better than last weeks so I hope we're on the right path.
My 2 KC39's are spreading out and filling in, more so than my Bubba Kush which doesn't have the undergrowth yet I'd like to see before I flip them but times a ticking I gotta get these girls healthy before I go 12/12

I intend on turning them all this week after I treat them all with a tbs dolomite lime sprinkled on the top before feeding.

My 4 Cherry Bomb clones are growing well and I took a cutting of my Bubba Kush to keep her going into the future as well.
I've got the heat and humidity in a nice place in my flower room with my new 1000w Eye Hortilux 78f lights on & 55% humidity. lights off 68 & 65% humidity.
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is that cuts of swami gears ,mrgreengenes cherry bomb?

PipeCarver · Oct 26, 2019

Beachwalker said:
So this curly leaf this is similar to what I had when I had low soil PH and was feeding too heavy

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I thought it was tobacco mosaic virus but I don't believe it is anymore I believe it's exactly what you're chasing I think you're on the right track I think it's just a matter of getting your pH Up quicklime would be a quick way to do it but it's also kind of risky, I would add a couple level tablespoons per plant, rake it in the top inch then water in

Can you remind me what &

Beachwalker said:
Can you remind me what & how heavy you're feeling?

" Can you remind me what & how heavy you're feeling? " I feel like a ton but that's getting a bit personal isn't it? It's not like I'm asking you about your weight problem is it? lol I hope you meant feeding but that too could apply to my over eating issue as well. I've been feeding myself pizza, Chinese food, burgers, pies, cakes & ice cream for years in megga doses without issues.

If I took that the wrong way and you meant feeding my pl;ants I feed weekly to start 1.25mil = 1/4 tsp / gal MGB . Then after 2-3 weeks I go to 3mil = 3/5 tsp MGB / gal . Then after 5-6 weeks 5mil = 1 tsp each MGB with waterings in between feeds. I ph my water & feeding to 6.5-6.6 normally I don't have to adjust the ph when I feed the nutes bring my ph down to that 6.5 -6.6 range. I have added a drop of ph down into 2 oz water to dilute it then adjust the waterings down from 7.4 to 6.5. I'm going to stop doing that all together. The amount of ph down I used is minimal but I can't see anything else dropping my soil ph so far.

PipeCarver · Oct 26, 2019

Minitiger said:
@PipeCarver Nice little grow. I don’t know if you mentioned this in the thread, as I just kinda skimmed over it, but where is that Cherry Bomb you have from? Is that Swazi Seeds Cherry Bomb or another breeders?

Re: the issues you’re having: I’d recommend getting out of that ProMix/General Hydropnics BS and switching over to a good organic soil mix. Make your own soil and you never have to worry about the dirt you buy. Plus, you can just keep using your initial batch of soil over and over again for years. And you don’t have to keep buying General Hydropnics garbage nutrients every run, either. In fact, you don’t really have to buy any “nutrients” at all, once your soil’s all mixed up. Happy to turn you on to an excellent soil recipe that’s worked very well for me for about four years now, if you’re interested.

" where is that Cherry Bomb you have from? Is that Swazi Seeds Cherry Bomb or another breeders? "

Its from Bomb Seeds https://www.bombseeds.nl/ I bought them at a grow shop here in NS for $35 pack of 5 and I really like the smoke and smell.

oldskol4evr · Oct 26, 2019

PipeCarver said:
" where is that Cherry Bomb you have from? Is that Swazi Seeds Cherry Bomb or another breeders? "

Its from Bomb Seeds https://www.bombseeds.nl/ I bought them at a grow shop here in NS for $35 pack of 5 and I really like the smoke and smell.

ok just asking,was gonna say if it is there gear,it doesnt like feed at all none,just water,all i got from them was this way

PipeCarver · Oct 26, 2019

oldskol4evr said:
ok just asking,was gonna say if it is there gear,it doesnt like feed at all none,just water,all i got from them was this way

I grew this one last grow without problems. This one is a month older in veg and I've had issues before with long vegging plants and they may also of had issues because of low soil ph. I never looked at it closely before or had any help now that we've determined it to be low soil ph I can adress the issuer and hopefully cure its illsd.

oldskol4evr · Oct 26, 2019

post #62 says it all bro,i still think the lime was a bad idea but your plants mate,it be alright ,if you keep on stressing over this stuff you will be like me getting a wire probe and a shop vac pumping out plaque from your heart,dont sweat it,one thing for sure when you harvest the plant,as much problems you have had i would not reuse the pro mix,ive grown in pro mix had problems in begining,but said hell wit it and just feed a little food once in a while and exchanged it with water for air,once i quit trying to get frosted flakes plants turned around and a great harvest,coco ,perlite,pro mix all the same to me,they like reg ole water too and nuteing them every feed will screw the cec up so with that i have no clue other than you changed something from your last grow

Minitiger · Oct 26, 2019

PipeCarver said:
Thanks for the offer but right now I've got a whole bunch of the GN nutes I'm not going to toss. I've used their sht for years without problems but I hear what you're saying. It'll be another year before I need more nutes so I'll think about going a different route when I'm out. I bought a gallon of each,bloom,micro,grow at 30% off going out of business sale So I'm loaded up for a while.

Word. Hit me up in a year, after you run through all of your GH “nutes” and I’ll be happy to help you along with actual organic grows. The plants grow better and healthier, yields are stickier and the smoke is so much better. But I get it. You spent all that cash. Might as well get your money’s worth, I guess.

PipeCarver · Oct 28, 2019

PipeCarver said:
I grew this one last grow without problems. This one is a month older in veg and I've had issues before with long vegging plants and they may also of had issues because of low soil ph. I never looked at it closely before or had any help now that we've determined it to be low soil ph I can adress the issuer and hopefully cure its illsd.

Oct 28 Tied down and laid out most of the branches I could on the Cherry Bomb this am by this evening they're mostly up and saying hello. Turned the timers to 12/12.
I moved my clones under the 1000w for the past 2 days and they seem to love it. I'll move them under the 1000w during its 12hrs on and back under the florescent lights for the next 12 and so on, while they're small enough to do that.

PipeCarver · Nov 2, 2019

PipeCarver said:
Oct 28 Tied down and laid out most of the branches I could on the Cherry Bomb this am by this evening they're mostly up and saying hello. Turned the timers to 12/12.
I moved my clones under the 1000w for the past 2 days and they seem to love it. I'll move them under the 1000w during its 12hrs on and back under the florescent lights for the next 12 and so on, while they're small enough to do that.

Nov 2 update. The Cherry Bomb looks like it has recovered from the low soil ph problem, its still low 5.65 but its moving in the right direction. Its grown about 3" inches this week The KC39's only about 2" same as Bubba. I've got the temp and humidity just about right at 79f and 55%.

2 clones I took off the Cherry Bomb are looking great and I'm just about ready to put them into the large pots. Another 2 clones I cut off the same week look like they were effected by the same low ph issue with curling leaves and spots they must of inherited from mom but are doing much better this week. I'm now moving them into the flower room for 12 hrs then back to the veg room for another 6
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Something I read this week on this site implied that plants use a dark period to absorb nutrients. I've been running 24 hrs and love the growth I get doing that but if my plants aren't absorbing nutes during a dark period then that maybe part of the reason for my low soil ph. I'm not sure 100% but I'll cut back the hours to 18 and see if over time I notice any difference in soil ph as a result.

I also re-routed my flower room exhaust to the veg room to take advantage of the heat from the 1000w & rewired all my equipment supply wires to better balance the loads and to clean up cords I had crisscrossing my space.

Aqua Man · Nov 2, 2019

PipeCarver said:
Nov 2 update. The Cherry Bomb looks like it has recovered from the low soil ph problem, its still low 5.65 but its moving in the right direction. Its grown about 3" inches this week The KC39's only about 2" same as Bubba. I've got the temp and humidity just about right at 79f and 55%.

2 clones I took off the Cherry Bomb are looking great and I'm just about ready to put them into the large pots. Another 2 clones I cut off the same week look like they were effected by the same low ph issue with curling leaves and spots they must of inherited from mom but are doing much better this week. I'm now moving them into the flower room for 12 hrs then back to the veg room for another 6
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Something I read this week on this site implied that plants use a dark period to absorb nutrients. I've been running 24 hrs and love the growth I get doing that but if my plants aren't absorbing nutes during a dark period then that maybe part of the reason for my low soil ph. I'm not sure 100% but I'll cut back the hours to 18 and see if over time I notice any difference in soil ph as a result.

I also re-routed my flower room exhaust to the veg room to take advantage of the heat from the 1000w & rewired all my equipment supply wires to better balance the loads and to clean up cords I had crisscrossing my space.

Glad things are on the up brother

PipeCarver · Nov 2, 2019

Aqua Man said:
Glad things are on the up brother

Ya you and me both but I have to credit this site and all you guys that have helped me deal with these issues. In the past with no one to give me advice or help I end up doing more harm to them than help them.

Jimster · Nov 2, 2019

It is my understanding as well as my experience, which could be incorrect, but I was always taught that the plant made the food/energy during the light periods but uses them and does most of the actual growing during the dark. I know that plants grown 24/24 tend to be much shorter and more compact, mostly due to no stretching during the dark periods. I know some folks grow under 24 and seem to do OK with it, although I think a lot of them were Auto strains.

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