I love your room RMCG, have been following along but missed yesterdays updates.
:)

The only thing Im thinking, since your running Excelurator in both systems, I dont think it would be as accurate of a comparison.

If you wanted to check the compatibility of excel with a sterilizer, you would need to be running the sterilizer continuously with the excel.

One system has excel for 14 days, the other has it for 11.
(if that makes sense)

I am still very excited to see the results you have though, as this is a great test running the sterilizers few days prior to res change, seems like a DAMN good idea.:party0042:




Room 1:
Roots Excelurator will be added, then Zone or Hydro-Sparkle 3 days prior to res change.

Room 2:
Straight roots excel.

To get a more accurate comparison though, I

I wonder if the h202 would kill off the culture that has grown in the media even if you only used it right before the rez change? I kinda think it would.....Anyone?

it most certainely will, the bennies are more fragile than the bad guys so you will be killing all of your good herd and if you also have some bad most likely it will survive depending on the strain of bad, especially slime, algae, pythium. if your roots look very healthy dont sterilize, but if you have any sort of brown i would sterilize between changes, though i would not do it with H202, i would use a very low dose of physan or hydrofungicide if you want to kill the bacteria make sure you kill them all and h202 will not always do that. from my experiences though RE and AS took care of all of my problems, when i first switched to water culture i had soo much trouble keeping slime and rot away, switch to RO and the problem stayed and my water was more unstable. got RE and AS and it fixed it, tho still unstable, then i switched back to tap and let the chlorine evap and now my roots are explosive and as white as gods dick, with great stability. At day 25 flower i switch to a sterile res, i run a low dose of physan to b sure everything is dead not just the good ones, then i run zone and h202 in very minimual doses (1/5 strength zone, .5ml/gal 29% h202) to finish. i would cut any enzyme down before you cut the RE and AS as enzymes can be a food source for the bad guys and if they are present along with the enzymes this will be there main food source, if you cut the zymes they will be much more voulnerable. I change my res 2 days before flower, then again at about 15 days in, and at this change i lower my zyme dose from 1/3 to 1/6 so be sure they are all eaten up within a week. if you are having any roots problems i would cut the zymes down or out. lengthy i know sorry, time to go get epic up on the cliffs for me good luck you guys

well in my 6 plant test I am doing, the plants dosed with RE have all developed larger root masses, but those same plants the water in the res has a very very faint pond smell, the plants that are getting sterilizing treatments the res smell fresh and so clean.

Btw, the first series of tests have been straight roots excel vs straight sm90.

I have found the same thing with RE, a faint pond smell in my epicenter. It never seems to get any more intense so I haven't worried about it. I only sterilize between runs with Physan 20.

MediMary said:

well in my 6 plant test I am doing, the plants dosed with RE have all developed larger root masses, but those same plants the water in the res has a very very faint pond smell, the plants that are getting sterilizing treatments the res smell fresh and so clean.

Btw, the first series of tests have been straight roots excel vs straight sm90.

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instantkarma said:

I have found the same thing with RE, a faint pond smell in my epicenter. It never seems to get any more intense so I haven't worried about it. I only sterilize between runs with Physan 20.

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If you use any type of bacteria or organics you will always have an interesting smell.......but the plants seem to love it....keep it up!!! Word to the mutha trunk! Peace

my roots seemed to explode more when i ran roots excel and zone over the run i did roots excel and great white. the zone may kill the bennies that the roots excel has but dosnt affect any hormones that are there and i still think i get the benefits of using the roots excel. and my res smells like sweet candy and not pond shit.

kritical said:

my roots seemed to explode more when i ran roots excel and zone over the run i did roots excel and great white. the zone may kill the bennies that the roots excel has but dosnt affect any hormones that are there and i still think i get the benefits of using the roots excel. and my res smells like sweet candy and not pond shit.

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At this time it is the position of House & Garden not to release any specific information regarding the recipe of Root Excelurator other than what is listed on the label and/or on the website. I know this causes people to have extra questions. Please know that due to the stringency of state labeling requirements no specific claims, either pesticidal and/or categorical, can be made.

I would also like to say that it is the position of House & Garden that H2O2 (or other similar products) and Roots Excelurator are NOT COMPATIBLE.

In the future the only "official" representatives of House & Garden qualified to speak on behalf of the company in the US are myself and our US Sales Rep Robert Stroner. Future and follow up questions can be directed to Robert Stroner at rob@house-garden.us.

Thanks again for your interest in our products.

Todd Kent
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I got letters from house and garden uk stating the same thing, and numerous reps.
but whatever floats your boat:) Maybe something I am missing.

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well in my 6 plant test I am doing, the plants dosed with RE have all developed larger root masses, but those same plants the water in the res has a very very faint pond smell, the plants that are getting sterilizing treatments the res smell fresh and so clean.

Btw, the first series of tests have been straight roots excel vs straight sm90.

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do you think the roots excel is the cause of the pond smell - os just the absence of a sterilizing agent?

well Its interesting, I switched up my water to ro 3/4 ~~ 1/4 Tap(aerated for at least a week), still using excel, I can barely smell that pond smell anymore now that I changed up the water.

Was wondering if something in my tap water was reacting with the RE,(just a thought).

The reason I changed up the water supply other day it was coming out at .4 ec(FTW!) the day before that it was .2ec on a bluelab.

interesting

I tried to pm you - but your box is full

funny ass shit - thx bro

MediMary said:

well Its interesting, I switched up my water to ro 3/4 ~~ 1/4 Tap(aerated for at least a week), still using excel, I can barely smell that pond smell anymore now that I changed up the water.

Was wondering if something in my tap water was reacting with the RE,(just a thought).

The reason I changed up the water supply other day it was coming out at .4 ec(FTW!) the day before that it was .2ec on a bluelab.

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Your r/o water was coming out at .4? Or rez?

so I had something interesting occur in one of my little experiments, Ill edit this post in a bit with pictures


On my two sour queens, I was conducting a test between roots excel and sm90.

I had substantially better root grow with the roots excel mostly more lateral root growth. I decided to feed both plants with RE, and within a couple days it had started similar lateral root growth in the plant that was initially getting the sm90. At this point I was just using humidity to grow the roots.

But sm90 being a product I really like and have used with good results in the past it was kind of hard to get away from it. So I thought Ill run Sm90 in the water, and then do beneficial root crow inocs. Seemed like a good idea.

So at this point the plants looked fairly similar, I mixed up the same batch of nutrients added roots excel to one, sm90 to the other the res.
I fill the water up about an inch below the net pot on both buckets only difference was one side got roots excel in the water, the other side got sm90 and a little ph down, everything mixed slow and proper).

The roots were bright white on both plants, came back the next morning the roots with the sm90 in the tank were covered in this icky brown stuff, but not like the typical brown slime.

The plant that got the RE in the water the roots still looked banging white,

This all was very odd to me so, I went out bought brand new buckets, lines airstones, etc. Wanting to conduct a test removing as many variables as possible.

I mixed up a batch of nutrients gave it to my larger white urkel, and then topped it off with RO to dilute it .3 ec the larger plant is at .7-.8 ec
The larger white urkle got the RE, the Sour queen (with the nice white looking roots) is getting sacrificed for the experiment to see if I could recreate the slime, I did manage to get a couple pictures for you guys. I will upload them right now.

The water was filled up to about an inch from the net pot, used sm90 in the water (and a different ph down), Pic of before

and over night Bam, weird slime.


Now I am pretty sure and I will conduct some further experiments on some vegetable plants, but using RE in the root Crow and Sm90 in the water, I do not think would be a good idea. I think the re covers the roots with a coating of sorts and the sm90 reacts with that and kills it ,the coating is still in place and something with the sm90 maybe reacts with the RE to cause some weird slime.
I am not sure if this is going to have any type of negative effects, so on the two plants I flushed one with hydrofungicide and then refilled with nutrients + RE, the second one I just flushed with some RE and refilled with nutrients and RE, to get an idea of what happened, I read where hesienberg had some weird type slime from RE, I need to go hit him up and see what he has to say,

I also just used this same bottle of sm90 and had great roots for my whole grow, so Im pretty sure the sm90 is good as well.

Was the residue sticky and thick, or slimy and thin?

It was mostly thin, but in a couple places it looks like it had lumped up and became thicker.

my dumb ass havnt got the whole pic resize thing down yet, so here are a couple more pictures, Im just resizing one by one. :)
so this is the the morning after, crazy eh..

I honestly don't think its going to cause any problems just a weird reaction between the two products, ill let you guys know how things look in a couple days :)



the bucket

well snap I got to run a couple errands maybe ill do a couple more pictures later, not saying if someone does the same thing it will happen to them.
Maybe another variable could be responsible such as I have been using 1/4 tap to 3/4 ro, possible something in the tap reacting and causing problems, but I tried to be as thoughtful as possible in testing the second time around and the fact the larger urkle plant still looks fine in my particular area I would say this would be a bad combo, hope everyone is having a great tuesday

thought I would give you guys an update.
well both plants died:(












[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gWD4g63RNI[/YOUTUBE]
j.k :)

Actually both plants look good, roots look perfectly ok on both, nice white growth.

Oh, you had me there.

man i just typed this big ol long thoughtful response and hit backspace on accident on my keyboard, bam pow all gone. anyways here are a couple of pictures from today

the two sour queens.

This is the roots of the sour queen that received the hydrofungicide,

Ctrl + Z will 'undo' your last action on a PC. Too late now though.