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Neither of the links work.Sure fair enough.
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There are many more. I never included links cause the most basic of googling would have given you them all. You can't find a study that says pruning doesn't help.
Neither of the links work.
Look, friend. The essence of science is share information, discuss, come to true understanding. If you're going to get pissy about being confronted about sources, you're not in the science space. Saying, "google it" , is the domain of anti-vaxxors and other conspiracy theorists. I don't play there. It's not my job to research your claims that disavow commonly understood scientific principles. If you're going to claim something that contradicts well understood science, the burden is on you to support that. You are claiming that physics, chemistry, math, and logic are wrong. I await evidence.
@BigCube I think where some of us are disagreeing with you is that it appears you are saying more pruning is better. I can only speak for myself that I do not feel this is true at all.
Selective pruning is beneficial not more pruning. Much like a feeding nutrients more is not better.
I think it's the way you are blanket stating it.
I'm sure all of us agree branches laying in the dirt should be pruned. Leaves blocking bud sites should be pruned. A plant that is so compact that it get poor air flow should be pruned. Bud sites not getting light may be beneficial to prune but not always. Topping to beak dominance may be beneficial.
Beyond this you are likely harming yields and risking plant health that will invite pests and other nasties, stunting growth for no reason etc. You see if you take the same time period and use differing pruning methods you will see more is not better. If you are not taking time of growth into account you simply cannot claim you get more yields. If you don't while in the end you may get more yields you have also spend a longer time growing the plant out and this loss of time become more and more as you increase the amount of pruning. More is not better and if that is what you are implying I will say it again. I strongly disagree with your opinion.
It's first thing in the morning and I haven't look at FB to get my daily dose of stupidity in order to get my BP up some I'm still civil lol.I can understand how you would take issue with that. Unfortunately that is something I have never said, hinted at or implied. If you would kindly show me what I said that gave you that impression I would be more than happy to correct it or reword it as to not give that impression.
Reading back at what I've typed, I dont see how you could have got that idea.
I will state now for the record, more pruning doesn't necessarily equate to more yield.
BUT, pruning the right parts does equate to more yields that's what I've been saying the entire time, from the very first post.
Thanks for being friendlywe can have healthy debate without all the childish name calling and accusations.
I agree with you and also I feel there is not a single answer to the question. It's all dependant on needs, wants and variables.So I have been following along on this thread and its got some really interesting topics and arguments; for both not pruning and pruning. I am an outdoor grower myself and love to fuck with my plants as its almost therapeutic in a sense. Spending hours with a doobie in the mouth fucking around with pruning this and tying down that.
One thing I have noticed in my times growing is that pruning is good to an extent. As was mentioned, there are pros to pruning outdoors. This could be to split the apical dominance and end up with a plant with more colas. For me, this does not explicitly mean a higher yield in itself. I top because of (as mentioned) issues with bud rot, WPM, etc. In October, its better for me to have more colas rather than one giant donkey dick on top of the plant. A king bud is SO pretty to look at, but where I live I usually have to either cut the king bud early or not even get to keep it due to mold issues. So to that regard, I top to prevent issues.
Another factor is light. When I top many times, I am able to start tying down branches and opening the plant up much much more so than is able to be done with an untopped plant. This creates the bush shape, and I am able to keep a wide flat canopy and give even more light to lower branches and bud sites. Sure you can get light from the sun in all directions so you dont NEED to open up an outdoor plant as much, but try convincing me that more light on the inner branches isn't needed or that it doesn't help in any way and I will probably tell you you're stupid.
I guess I can't go on about whats so good about pruning because there are cons. And as was mentioned, the main one for me is time. I start my plants indoors and then move them outdoors. Because of this I actually try and get most of my topping done indoors and once my plants are moved outdoors I tend to only use LST (typing down), super cropping, or even some pinching of the growth tips (topping but at the very very tip of the branch). I have found that a really deep top (cutting off the top few nodes or more) really affects the plant when its baking in the sun and really takes a week or so to notice some vigorous growth, where as just pinching the tip off barely affects a plant at all.
Also, another thing to mention is during the first weeks of growth when I am topping the plant I also strip off any growth tips I do not want to control the overall shape of the base of the plant. However even when I remove growth tips/branches, I leave their fan leaf. That leaf still has stored nutrients in it and the plant will utilize them once it needs them. It will eventually get blocked out by upper growth, yellow and die off. That is mainly the only time I will start pulling leaves off, when the nutrients in it are depleted and the plant tells you its ready to go.
BUT to each their own, whatever you comfort level is. Thats just my two cents/ what I do to my plants. I think its doing me well since I can grow nice plants which yield a few pounds +/- a bit.
I agree with you and also I feel there is not a single answer to the question. It's all dependant on needs, wants and variables.
I agree, I think we are all talking about the same thing.
Yeah I'm going to try doing 2 harvests and see how the bottom buds develop. If I only needs 1-2 more weeks to decently increase my harvest great. If not clip clip clip. If course I am indoor so it's not as easy to get those bottom buds lightI think we all agree on trimming or pruning. Although the heavy defoliation or mutilation is a different matter... not to throw fuel on the fire. I just finished the fun filled job of chopping things down and had plenty to consider. The very lowest branches had so little actual growth that I don't seriously feel that leaving them would contribute to anything that is verifiable. I totally agree that getting more light into the plants interior and bud sites increases yield and size, but as far as the lowest branches making too much of a difference in the final yield, I don't think they contribute or take away much. Since almost all growers that prune heavily/remove low branches also remove the leaves that shadow the bud sites, I think the blanket statement that heavy pruning alone increases the yield is somewhat unreliable.
Just my opinion... it's all a matter of degree.
I left some of the less developed stuff on to see if it grows any more, although in my experience, when they are done, they don't grow much more. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell. It's not so much an experiment as being too lazy to deal with larfy buds while there are bigger fish to fry!Yeah I'm going to try doing 2 harvests and see how the bottom buds develop. If I only needs 1-2 more weeks to decently increase my harvest great. If not clip clip clip.
I think we all agree on trimming or pruning. Although the heavy defoliation or mutilation is a different matter... not to throw fuel on the fire. I just finished the fun filled job of chopping things down and had plenty to consider. The very lowest branches had so little actual growth that I don't seriously feel that leaving them would contribute to anything that is verifiable. I totally agree that getting more light into the plants interior and bud sites increases yield and size, but as far as the lowest branches making too much of a difference in the final yield, I don't think they contribute or take away much. Since almost all growers that prune heavily/remove low branches also remove the leaves that shadow the bud sites, I think the blanket statement that heavy pruning alone increases the yield is somewhat unreliable.
Just my opinion... it's all a matter of degree.
Yes, if they don't get enough light. It's pointless keeping themI’ve got lots of low laying branches on my 3 foot tall bushy plants. Should I keep them till they start to flower?
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