Stadium215 - Coco - Vert

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Darth Fader

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Pm thrives on humidity. Make sure to pick up a hygrometer & keep an eye on your rh level. More airflow will help. Run fans 24/7 (don't cycle w/ lights). I used 1:10 ratio of skim milk & water to knock back the pm until harvest. Works pretty well.
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Oh, and I can't resist throwing up a pic of my little lady I just made (I hope you don't mind):

Don't mind at all, and GOTDAMN! that thing is sweet!! can't wait to see it all filled with green lil girls.

the thing with the levels is, you dont actually have to have them offset, you could have 4 levels directly over each other, the plants will grow at a 45degree angle towards the bulbs, you could off set them 2inch and you will be gravy, you will probably need to add a net, or my favorite 4x8 sheets of concrete reinforcers to hold the plants tight later in flowering

Yeah i've seen vert grows that are stacked like that. Problem is, i'm not sure if i'll be able to fit as many plants. The stadium affords a larger canopy, compared to the flat stacked version.
I'm still dialing this room in, so i may give that a run to see how i do with slightly longer veg times and a stacked shelving system.
..Or i may just build some sorta rail system, not a mover, where i can slide the bulbs left/right a foot or two while i water and just have plants on the floor. decisions, decisons.

oh, and what are concrete reinforcers? is it similar to rebar?

Despite the PM, things are looking pretty good for your first run with vertical bare bulbs sfzoo... Be careful with the zp spray around the colas (don't saturate them as much as the leaves) and dry to drop your RH if it's above 60%. As for the top row, could you raise the center bulb and leave the other two at the current height? :wondering

I'm pulling a lot of air through room, i'm not sure how effective the dehuey will be. I'll give her a go though.
Bulbs are as high as they go, or nearly there.

Cool grow amigo. That Casey is a yielder.
Pm thrives on humidity. Make sure to pick up a hygrometer & keep an eye on your rh level. More airflow will help. Run fans 24/7 (don't cycle w/ lights). I used 1:10 ratio of skim milk & water to knock back the pm until harvest. Works pretty well.
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Thanks for stopping by DarthFader..she is, but i think i can do better next round.
The ZP seems to be holding it back, i may grab some greencure for the last weeks.

I see PM and also some nute fry. Mainly nitrogen toxicity and cal/mag lockouts. If you didn't have PM prior then I definately to blame it on your exhaust.. Your pulling in negative pressure exhausting your filter out the window.

Seal up and restructure for next run. Run the carbon on the floor and buy a split AC.

That toxicity is only present in a few of the Platinum Kush..ones that were on the top row. Relocated a few and they still grew like that. They got the same food as the others...it was just the top row.
Calmag lockout? can you show me pls?
Sealing it up isn't much of an option right now. I'd rather spend the time and money dialing in this room as is. It'll be cheaper to run with less moving parts.

I appreciate the advice and comments. :rasta:


Thanks again Farmers!
 
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Hey sfzoo, I saw you in other threads asking about quick flushes because you had an issue when you left for three days, but I'd love to hear about your harvest (if you're still around).

Either way, best of luck and keep it green.
 
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for a quick flush I dont Ph my water, lock out any nutes in the medium,
 
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When it comes to getting the plants closer to the light, what works best is to stack the tiers or racks directly above one another. No reason to use the stadium type setup, because the plants naturally will lean in toward the light. The racks should definitely be right on top of each other and all plants on the same radius from the light bulb.

For the PM, high humidity is probably better than very low 35% or less humidity. Plants thrive in higher humidity until the buds become too big to where mold is an issue, and then only with indicas or huge yielding hybrids. When humidity is desert-like and too dry, the plants are in fact stressed out and more prone to infection by PM. That's a fact in my experience.
 
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Hey sfzoo, I saw you in other threads asking about quick flushes because you had an issue when you left for three days, but I'd love to hear about your harvest (if you're still around).

Either way, best of luck and keep it green.

Thank Bobby, haven't been around. But i'll be finishing this journal up today. Starting round 2 in within the week.

for a quick flush I dont Ph my water, lock out any nutes in the medium,

Thanks Mrdizzle, that's pretty much what i've done. although i didn't get it flushed like i wanted, the smoke doesn't seem to have been affected. Cures well, burns white ash, and no crackle/pops like i've read about. :icon_spin:

sick pvc build out

no pvc here, but thanks for dropping in.


Went on vacation after harvest, so i'll be finishing up this journal. Stay tuned for the next showing.

No reason to use the stadium type setup, because the plants naturally will lean in toward the light. The racks should definitely be right on top of each other and all plants on the same radius from the light bulb.

For the PM, high humidity is probably better than very low 35% or less humidity. Plants thrive in higher humidity until the buds become too big to where mold is an issue, and then only with indicas or huge yielding hybrids. When humidity is desert-like and too dry, the plants are in fact stressed out and more prone to infection by PM. That's a fact in my experience.

well, as you can see from the pics, there aren't many plants reaching/leaning toward the light. Actually, none really did that.

there is a reason for the stadium. If i were to stack shelves directly over each other i'd lose space. I'd only be able to run 1/2 the plants given my vertical space restrictions(6'). With the 4 shelves i can have more plants in less space.

I agree that yields can be achieved in the system you recommend, but given my specific situation, this seems to be the best fit. I will admit, I haven't even tried how you(and mrdizzle earlier in the thread) have recommended. Maybe i'll give it a go...maybe.

Thanks for the PM info.
 
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The rest of the show will be mostly pics, starting where i left off.

Bananas! spotted some naners popping from the Caseys. Didn't do much, i just let them finish.

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..and Bud Rot :sick0010:
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Caseys, unaffected by budrot
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Platinum Kush, thank god i have ~50 of these girls, haven't lost a whole plant to budrot..a couple colas, and a some lower dense buds.
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i thought this photo was funny...illustrates the point that root mass dictates yield.
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Looks like the little guy might dry up to nearly 7grams or so..we'll see.

bouquet
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2 plants
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i'm in dire need for more BHO in my life...soon enough!!
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scissor love
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turns out i took most photos of the Caseys, here's a shot of some flushing Platinum Kush
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Classic indicator of budrot, get aquainted and be ware
twisting, dry, dying leaves...dig deeper, there will be fuzzy mold taking over the innards of the nugs. They look fine on the outside. GROSS on the inside.
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The flush didn't go as well as i planned. Due to the issues with spreading budrot and the dreaded PM, I had to chop a few days earlier than i expected.

Some flushed better than others, some didn't even lose the green, not sure what gives.

here are a few flushing shots.
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Logistically, i was unprepared for the harvest.

1st wave in for their manicure
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6hrs later, we called it a night. what was left for the morning shift...
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I realized that i grossly underestimated trim time. I'm severely undermanned

...then, the 2nd wave
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As far as weight goes, it looks a bit thin, in my opinion.
I had no real benchmark, but was hoping for at least a lbs/light, which weighs in around <.5gpw, crossing my fingers it gets there. Ultimate goal is to dial this room down to get 1gpw, or more!
So here's to drying, curing, and waiting
 
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That's my boy! Killin' it FTW!!! :rock
 
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^Much thanks and respect Shady! inspiration and motivation is much appreciated!

Trimming...sucks, but sucks soo good!

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some bottom nugs, pretty much no popcorn or flarf
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mount cannabis
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about 8 hrs of trimming later...
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the buds are still a bit too moist to seal up and cure..more burping, more drying, more waiting.

wanted to share the curing method i am trying out, i take no credit. Credit goes to Simon from IC.

simon said:
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This method is particularly effective for folks who are starting out, those looking to maximize quality in a shorter period of time, and folks who's like to produce a connoisseur-quality product each and every time with no guesswork involved.

It's a very simple and effective process:

Cut the product, trim it per your preference, but don't dry it until the stems snap. Take it down while the stems still have some flex, but the product feel dry on the outside. This is a perfect opportunity to drop the dry-feeling flowers onto a screen and collect prime-quality kief that would otherwise get lost in the jar.

Jar the product, along with a Caliber III hygrometer. One can be had on Ebay for ~$20. Having tested a number of hygrometers - digital and analog - this model in particular produced consistent, accurate results. Then, watch the readings:

+70% RH - too wet, needs to sit outside the jar to dry for 12-24 hours, depending.

65-70% RH - the product is almost in the cure zone, if you will. It can be slowly brought to optimum RH by opening the lid for 2-4 hours.

60-65% RH - the stems snap, the product feels a bit sticky, and it is curing.

55-60% RH - at this point it can be stored for an extended period (3 months or more) without worrying about mold. The product will continue to cure.

Below 55% RH - the RH is too low for the curing process to take place. The product starts to feel brittle. Once you've hit this point, nothing will make it better. Adding moisture won't restart the curing process; it will just make the product wet. If you measure a RH below 55% don't panic. Read below:

Obviously, the product need time to sweat in the jar. As such, accurate readings won't be seen for ~24 hours, assuming the flowers are in the optimal cure zone. If you're curing the product for long-term storage, give the flowers 4-5 days for an accurate reading. If the product is sill very wet, a +70% RH reading will show within hours. If you see the RH rising ~1% per hour, keep a close eye on the product, as it's likely too moist.

HTH,
Simon

So...now i wait.
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So whats up now?

i've got the nugs curing in the Jars. And the 2nd feature is coming up.


i'll have final weight, minus a bunch that i've smoked already. Probably in the neighborhood of 4.5-5lbs. I could do better, for sure! so i'm stoked on getting the second round going.


harvest took forever to dry, and now i'm just barely starting to get it to a proper curing RH.


Bleached room today, the whole room, and it'll get another bleach treatment.
Mothers got a full dunking of Zone/Saturator and will get dunked again in a few days.
Setup a new tent, on its side, for the incoming clones.
Will flower a little less clones this time, with a little more veg.


Final thoughts on this run:
-Coco is awesome, if for only the simple fact that it is so easy to fix problems if they arise
-Vert is awesome, probably won't grow flat again.
-Canna nute line, super easy and the girls loved it.
-Drip clean, i loved it. Couldn't be sure it works, but the one time I didn't use it the girls got burnt. Its great in a multi strain environment, it allows you to feed one mix without burning the light feeders or starving the heavy feeders.
-Canna Coco, great. Didn't precharge it, probably should have. But still worked out great.
-Stadium, loved it. If space is an issue, there is no better way to max out the light footprint/penetration. Still tweakin the design, but it rocks!
-Nugs, with little to no flush they taste great! super pungent and burns a nice white ash. Taste is getting better each week. Full smoke report to come.


Stay tuned, round 2 begins soon.
 
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tent on its side for clones - smart man

buds looking good, grats on the successful grow - Im looking forward to the next one

peace
 
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Way to come in and finish strong, bro!!

Thought we'd lost another small plant vert journal and then you came in and proved me wrong in a big way - props, homeboy.

Hell, having some downtime while I wait for clones so you've got me thinking I might just do a coco DTW myself instead of a recirculating aero...........well done man, and thanks again for the info.

One last question - just skimmed the thread for 15 minutes trying to find your plant count - best I can tell (from pics), it was 32 on each side for 64 total? That sound about right? Just trying to get a feel for your per plant yield, and since we know the numerator is 4-5 pounds, trying to figure out the denominator...........thanks man.
 
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it was near 100. well, we started with 100. minus a few that didn't get past a minor borg attack. 50 casey jones from oaksterdam, they were 1/2 off..so we jumped on the deal. 50 platinum kush, from a friend.

here was their first dip into the canna coco
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Way to come in and finish strong, bro!!

Thought we'd lost another small plant vert journal and then you came in and proved me wrong in a big way - props, homeboy.

Hell, having some downtime while I wait for clones so you've got me thinking I might just do a coco DTW myself instead of a recirculating aero...........well done man, and thanks again for the info.

One last question - just skimmed the thread for 15 minutes trying to find your plant count - best I can tell (from pics), it was 32 on each side for 64 total? That sound about right? Just trying to get a feel for your per plant yield, and since we know the numerator is 4-5 pounds, trying to figure out the denominator...........thanks man.

the denominator should be light count, imo. which is four? like he said roughly .5gpw... fucking BANGING on a first run of a system in my opinion. once i got my big rooms setup my first run was like a half pound per light with 14000kw. shit SUUUUCKKKKEED. getting better now. im still hitting around .7 .8 tops. but now im in the middle of moving facilities so im hoping i can get shit dialed better at this new place...

this stadium thing is fuckin sick dude. congrats on the healthy harvest, cant wait for the next show bro. awesome. try smartpots... =] i had a friend switch ONLY the pots in a 9 plant per light 8 light setup and pulled 1/3 lbs more per light, just by switching pots. i just transplanted my moms from five gal plastics to 15 gal perfect pots two days ago, cant wait for them to start getting established...

congrats again my friend, thanks for coming through on the journal...
 
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the denominator should be light count, imo. which is four? like he said roughly .5gpw...

Agreed, any efficiency ratio needs to have electricity in the denominator - that being said, I was asking because I'm debating between a recirculating LP aero or a DTW with coco or hydroton, and I'm only going to have about 1-1.5 gallons per plant for root mass (which is what he had), so I was trying to get a feel for his weight per plant, as root size was the variable I was trying to control for.

Anyhow sfzoo, you went with 1 gallon as opposed to 2 gallon your first run - what size are you going with for your second run?

Any plans to incorporate a screen in there? Would help you "pull" the top rows in closer to the lights.
 

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