The captain’s inquiry, what is everyone’s thoughts on stalk splitting the last week before harvest?

[cannafarmer420]

thats the good thing about the plant where allways learning, imagen not no ing what a clone where / is. that must of been a real game changer whoever came up wi

True but the vast majority including cloning came from horticulture.

 

[Redgravemine]

Yeah the way I do it, I just use a drill, make one hole straight through the stem about 2 inches up from the dirt, then I turn the drill 90 degrees, go up another inch and drill again. 2 holes total. Every plant I’ve done it to took it like a champ.

Evidence? As in pictures

 

[BuggzNuggz]

True but the vast majority including cloning came from horticulture.

They've been teaching that in high school vocational horticulture classes. Well here in Virginia they do don't know about anywhere else.

 

[Captspaulding]

Evidence? As in pictures

I’ve used a few methods.
1 stalk splitting
2 drilling
3 box knife to split with a piece of zip strip inserted to keep open.

I posted a couple pics earlier in the thread months ago.
I have no reason to lie.

 

[Itscheese94]

10 days after the hammering.

 

[fishmon]

After months of nurturing and fretting over these amazing plants only to torture them at the end seems wrong even if it does work. Like giving grandma a shot of meth in her final moments just so she can make you one more apple pie.

 

[cannafarmer420]

After months of nurturing and fretting over these amazing plants only to torture them at the end seems wrong even if it does work. Like giving grandma a shot of meth in her final moments just so she can make you one more apple pie.

Very different

 

[cannafarmer420]

I’ve used a few methods.
1 stalk splitting
2 drilling
3 box knife to split with a piece of zip strip inserted to keep open.

I posted a couple pics earlier in the thread months ago.
I have no reason to lie.

Evidence? As in pictures

Evidence is overrated unless it's a huge controlled study with a control and then many people need to replicate the results in their own studies after. Outside of that it's all anecdotal really, take it with a grain of salt. @Captspaulding just wouldnt make it up so it happened

 

[Redgravemine]

Evidence is overrated unless it's a huge controlled study with a control and then many people need to replicate the results in their own studies after. Outside of that it's all anecdotal really, take it with a grain of salt. @Captspaulding just wouldnt make it up so it happened

That's the either/or fallacy. It's usually used to prop up institutions and various practices that have little business being propped up. It's not a good fallacy to use in this day and age.

I'll accept anecdotal evidence in a pool of 5 data points. It's too late to try it this year for me (I went from 2 weeks to before 5 am tomorrow morning for the harvest) but next year If I think it's worth it I'll do it to maybe 5 or 10 plants (most the same strain and one or two of something else).

The only thing that bothers me is when you Pierce a stalk in that manor, you cut veins. I've noticed certain veins go to certain branches. What I would be looking for is did certain side branches die off. Cause if it does then this is just a complicated side branch trimming technique.

 

[BuggzNuggz]

That's the either/or fallacy. It's usually used to prop up institutions and various practices that have little business being propped up. It's not a good fallacy to use in this day and age.

I'll accept anecdotal evidence in a pool of 5 data points. It's too late to try it this year for me (I went from 2 weeks to before 5 am tomorrow morning for the harvest) but next year If I think it's worth it I'll do it to maybe 5 or 10 plants (most the same strain and one or two of something else).

The only thing that bothers me is when you Pierce a stalk in that manor, you cut veins. I've noticed certain veins go to certain branches. What I would be looking for is did certain side branches die off. Cause if it does then this is just a complicated side branch trimming technique.

I did three different plants and I never had any dead branches, leaves or flowers that died off. And again this is just my experience

 

[Captspaulding]

That's the either/or fallacy. It's usually used to prop up institutions and various practices that have little business being propped up. It's not a good fallacy to use in this day and age.

I'll accept anecdotal evidence in a pool of 5 data points. It's too late to try it this year for me (I went from 2 weeks to before 5 am tomorrow morning for the harvest) but next year If I think it's worth it I'll do it to maybe 5 or 10 plants (most the same strain and one or two of something else).

The only thing that bothers me is when you Pierce a stalk in that manor, you cut veins. I've noticed certain veins go to certain branches. What I would be looking for is did certain side branches die off. Cause if it does then this is just a complicated side branch trimming technique.

It doesn’t kill branches. Hang on, I’ll show you the 4x2 scrog with split stem….

 

[cannafarmer420]

That's the either/or fallacy. It's usually used to prop up institutions and various practices that have little business being propped up. It's not a good fallacy to use in this day and age.

I'll accept anecdotal evidence in a pool of 5 data points. It's too late to try it this year for me (I went from 2 weeks to before 5 am tomorrow morning for the harvest) but next year If I think it's worth it I'll do it to maybe 5 or 10 plants (most the same strain and one or two of something else).

The only thing that bothers me is when you Pierce a stalk in that manor, you cut veins. I've noticed certain veins go to certain branches. What I would be looking for is did certain side branches die off. Cause if it does then this is just a complicated side branch trimming technique.

No its the scientific process, it's how we make sure things are correct under current knowledge of everything. Colleges and institutions in general, are awful and should not be confused with actual science. Always check who funded a study because it can cause extreme bias in the study. That's why HONEST peer review is CRUCIAL. Anyways, good luck with your grows ✌

 

[Redgravemine]

I did three different plants and I never had any dead branches, leaves or flowers that died off. And again this is just my experience

No its the scientific process, it's how we make sure things are correct under current knowledge of everything. Colleges and institutions in general, are awful and should not be confused with actual science. Always check who funded a study because it can cause extreme bias in the study. That's why HONEST peer review is CRUCIAL. Anyways, good luck with your grows ✌

And that's a bait and switch fallacy. I wasn't talking against the scientific method, I was pointing out a fallacy in an argument (they don't teach this much anymore, except maybe in debate class. Fallacies are things people say in debates and arguments that seem like they make sense, but if you analyze it it's a garbage statement. Such as I have a small purple plant therefore all purple plants are small (written obviously). There's a list of like 28 of these things.

Which is different than...

I'm sure it does work. I just want to know why (and what the problems are, if any.)

(Well, such as a trick I know about. After you have been giving your plants fertilizer for a little while, do a day where you feed them the flower food that you get from a bouquet of flowers (sounds weird. But what's going on is the flower food will break down the bits of fertilizer left. Those flower food packs are like 10% bleach. Sounds weirder now? Counter intuitive sometimes is the best way)

 

[Captspaulding]

And that's a bait and switch fallacy. I wasn't talking against the scientific method, I was pointing out a fallacy in an argument (they don't teach this much anymore, except maybe in debate class. Fallacies are things people say in debates and arguments that seem like they make sense, but if you analyze it it's a garbage statement. Such as I have a small purple plant therefore all purple plants are small (written obviously). There's a list of like 28 of these things.

Which is different than...

I'm sure it does work. I just want to know why (and what the problems are, if any.)

(Well, such as a trick I know about. After you have been giving your plants fertilizer for a little while, do a day where you feed them the flower food that you get from a bouquet of flowers (sounds weird. But what's going on is the flower food will break down the bits of fertilizer left. Those flower food packs are like 10% bleach. Sounds weirder now? Counter intuitive sometimes is the best way)

Ok I’ll bite, honestly when I first tried it 10 years ago, it was in a pamphlet I received from holland, and there was a foldout explaining the whys and how’s of it, but I really didn’t care about all that truth be told, I was more in the camp of, “they have been doing it for decades, and continue to, there must be something to it” so at the time, it was an interesting idea to break up the monotony of a normal grow. To try something new. You know? And in my experience it works, it’s tough to gauge the effectiveness of it, but I have had 2 plants for an example, the drilled plant had larger less dense colas. The drilled plant had tighter heavier but smaller buds. The taste and nose are the same, just a content weight difference overall trich count was improved. This is just me though, I’m always fucking with shit.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

A theory related to this thread is the biological process known as hormesis that describes how responses to substances or conditions can differ based on intensity. Hormesis would posit that exposure to low stress would cause a plant to respond better to subsequent exposure to high stress. So, I'm wondering if the effectiveness of stalk splitting would depend on how well the plant had been conditioned to respond to stress earlier in its life. If so, would it be possible to artificially induce low-level stress for the purpose of preparing the plant to respond favorably to subsequent high stress, such as the stress the results from stalk splitting? Perhaps we're already doing that when we prune the plant.

 

[Captspaulding]

A theory related to this thread is the biological process known as hormesis that describes how responses to substances or conditions can differ based on intensity. Hormesis would posit that exposure to low stress would cause a plant to respond better to subsequent exposure to high stress. So, I'm wondering if the effectiveness of stalk splitting would depend on how well the plant had been conditioned to respond to stress earlier in its life. If so, would it be possible to artificially induce low-level stress for the purpose of preparing the plant to respond favorably to subsequent high stress, such as the stress the results from stalk splitting? Perhaps we're already doing that when we prune the plant.

Oh definitely bro, especially with some of the heavier pruning growers, I would have to think that applies. But for my generally speaking, I keep it pretty light handed on defol or pruning unless it’s a mother or I’m topping for scrog ect. and even then they have all the time in the world to heal properly before being exposed to light changes. But I would have to agree really, I top a lot, and lst, so I’m pretty sure my ladies are damned tolerant by the time I get to harsh manipulation. Good post bro.

 

[Zill]

LG,

Your first mistake is the assumption that driving metal shafts or physically splitting stem induces a stress in the plant it perceives and responds by increasing absorption or nutrients.

It doesn’t.

 

[Zill]

Increasing absorption OF nutrients. Sorry.

 

[Zill]

Captain! What’s shakin?

 

[Captspaulding]

LG,

Your first mistake is the assumption that driving metal shafts or physically splitting stem induces a stress in the plant it perceives and responds by increasing absorption or nutrients.

It doesn’t.

Hey zill!
Care to elaborate?
You got a hook in me here…..
My understanding is that it coax’s out the plants natural defense, trich production. I would think these things went hand in hand?
You are educated in these matters.