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Hey dirt my question was just asking them if the W8 had Triacontanol in it and if it was equal to the concentration in massive, they never even mention anything close to what I asked, wouldn't even mention any additive at all let alone confirm if either...
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Hey dirt my question was just asking them if the W8 had Triacontanol in it and if it was equal to the concentration in massive, they never even mention anything close to what I asked, wouldn't even mention any additive at all let alone confirm if either even has it. So I don't no, see what they say to my follow up email.
 
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Dirtbag,
I spent the last hour or so trying to actually find something listed by the state as it being banded.
I did not find anything on the state wedsites, about all I could find was this
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PGR'S what do you use? - Nutrients and Mediums

Page 1 of 8 - PGR'S what do you use? - posted in Nutrients and Mediums: after much digging on the subject I found that the majority of the information against palco PGR was pumped out by GMO companies, and to really fuck yourself up from palco you would need to eat a gram of it for every kilo in...
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In researching the subject it looks like there are synthetic and natural forms of it.

On a side note, in researching the subject, I found information on Kelp being a possible PGR. It was interesting to me because I run a nutrient line called Floramax, one of the products in the line is called organabud. Stuff is mostly kelp. I have in the last few grows been using less of it and my yield has suffered.
 
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yes there are synthetic forms, they are banned in north america but not in some other countries, kelp I know has mannitol more of a sugar alcohol then a fatty alcohol, but they may work somewhat the same.
 
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Hey Anthem , one thing you may have been seeing with the kelp is its interaction with boron, Boron is not mobile within the plant, Boron play a big part though within the plant, bud set , bud growth size etc. many things, But the mannitol in kelp becomes complexed with the boron making it mobile, So if your levels of both is adequate and timing is right it can make a big difference to.
 
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Dr.Green55 said:
Hey Anthem , one thing you may have been seeing with the kelp is its interaction with boron, Boron is not mobile within the plant, Boron play a big part though within the plant, bud set , bud growth size etc. many things, But the mannitol in kelp becomes completed with the boron making it mobile, So if your levels of both is adequate and timing is right it can make a big difference to.
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I think you are on to something. I was trying to up yield with more PK boosters and I dropped the Kelp Extract portion down thus my yield went down. Thru all of this I did find that green sensation by plagron works well in early flower, but seems to be less effective in the middle and later stages of growth.
 
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MIMedGrower said:
I was just saying thats probably how they get over labeling regulations.

But now that you said 30-50% bigger i know there must be other variables.
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Yeah my dry weight yield went up at least 30%. And the buds look way bigger when using it.

It's quite a witches brew of compounds for sure, but it certainly works very well.
 
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Anthem said:
I think you are on to something. I was trying to up yield with more PK boosters and I dropped the Kelp Extract portion down thus my yield went down. Thru all of this I did find that green sensation by plagron works well in early flower, but seems to be less effective in the middle and later stages of growth.
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We use to run studies where we was running boron at 10 PPM + and then adding the mannitol, Triacontanol and all the other additives on top of that with our feed , foliar sprays etc. , now a days though , I don't want to say lazy but I can a sure you things are simplified lol
 
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It's quite a witches brew of compounds for sure, but it certainly works very well.
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We use to run studies where we was running boron at 10 PPM + and then adding the mannitol, Triacontanol and all the other additives on top of that with our feed , foliar sprays etc. , now a days though , I don't want to say lazy but I can a sure you things are simplified lol
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All this has me worried. I recently changed from soil to coco and coco is just not going to work for me. I do not have space to set up a drain to waste system as well as an auto water system. Cleaning up water off the floor is not fun every night.
I am switching to flood and drain. To keep it simple I am going to do the first couple runs sterile and then I might start using beneficial micro's and the kelp. My main concern is removing the kelp. Is Mannitol available to purchase in the US ?
 
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Aqua Man said:
Yeah I want to do a sog soo bad. But 1 more run for moms has to come first. Then SOG in coco I'm leaning cake n Chem for that grow for yield and see if I can hit over 3lbs on my single hlg 600 with 2 week veg. Maybe I will get to run it on full with SOG.
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I just picked up the hlg 650 for my tent.....ur goal of 3 lbs with ur hlg put a fat buddha lookin smile on my face.....dreaming of the possibilities once i get the light set up and a few grows dialled in with it, as im new, and running a 600w hps currently so ill have yo adjust some environmental parametets i assume, switching to led.

Good luck on hitting that goal of urs, that would be sick
 
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Anthem said:
It's quite a witches brew of compounds for sure, but it certainly works very well.
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All this has me worried. I recently changed from soil to coco and coco is just not going to work for me. I do not have space to set up a drain to waste system as well as an auto water system. Cleaning up water off the floor is not fun every night.
I am switching to flood and drain. To keep it simple I am going to do the first couple runs sterile and then I might start using beneficial micro's and the kelp. My main concern is removing the kelp. Is Mannitol available to purchase in the US ?
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Don't know how big your room is but you can get 4 X 4 trays that is 3 or 4 inches high, put your pots in that and just run a drain line, makes running drain to waste easy
 
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Dr.Green55 said:
Don't know how big your room is but you can get 4 X 4 trays that is 3 or 4 inches high, put your pots in that and just run a drain line, makes running drain to waste easy
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You are correct, but there was additional size limitations that made moving forward with coco not desirable. I already have purchased Ebb and Flow setups. Had to find a reservoir from an RV water tank to fit with size limitations. Looking forward to Hydro and Drain to Waste.
 
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Dirtbag said:
I start at half that and work up to about 15ml per gal. I never take it up to full strength. It doesnt take a lot of tria to do its thing, and too much can cause other issues.. I also stop using it by week 6 or 7. Used too late in the cycle and it can potentially cause nanners.
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Pardon my ignorance... you use massive in addition to the grow/bloom nutes, right?
 
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6pm pst today will be 48 hrs since the first dose of tria, and that's about when I can usually tell the plants are accelerating in growth rate from it. I'm really, REALLY curious to see what they look like tonight when I go to water. This is the first time I've used it while still in veg... should be interesting.
 
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