Stumpy420
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Robert comer
Power OG
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I knew you were destined for fire brother.
ziplock
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Never mind, then.
CBDEMON
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Whew. Just caught up on 30+ pages of this thread. Lots of good shit here I've been missing.
Popped a couple PNWroots Koffee IX, Jack Herer, and farm freebies just for shits. I'm tired of having no plants in my life, haha.
Hope everybody is doing well! Is anybody going to the second weekend of the SB HTCC?
Popped a couple PNWroots Koffee IX, Jack Herer, and farm freebies just for shits. I'm tired of having no plants in my life, haha.
Hope everybody is doing well! Is anybody going to the second weekend of the SB HTCC?
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It's weird, isn't it, that a person can get so caught up in botany, even if it Does produce some nice results. I never knew that farming could be sooo relaxing.
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@str8smokn & @Power OG Ty for the update! I had to go back like 750 messages to find some places to give Tnelz likes, lol.
Ok, so I've got time to relay why murphy was chasing me a bit recently. Mostly this centers around me "still" changing my soil components as I'm not happy. Mainly at the labor required to get the mix made.
Ultimately then after getting a handle on it all;
-stretch specific formula exacerbated events via slightly lower N ratio in NPK.
-prior carbonate adjustment for pH which was fine, after fiber change; led to high pH soil.
-Higher carbon to nitrate ratio of fiber vs pith influenced immobilization of N.
-Moisture / lockout relationship with fiber vs pith greatly different. I had lockout from too dry xD.
-The first test of my final urea formula (only applied week 3-6) drifted into 7.0; not good coming in with above.
-my diaphragm pump delivering nutes to week 3-6 started bypassing most of the flow over a couple weeks.
A note with coir and moisture. I've always heard that if you let coir dry out then you will get lockout. Now I can't say that I had ever seen that, even though I treat coir like peat (i.e. bone dry before water). However, the fiber, the fiber........now that DOES do exactly what they say. I can also then safely say that I let my soil get drier than this point as my norm.
So then prior pics of BM-A,B,C got a smaller bit of high pH (carbonates) and immobilization (small up-pot size diff) and also got the week 3-6 formula which drifted. This primarily lowered root efficiency / uptake rate which led to the most notable issue of EC+.
BM-D,E and TE1 and 2; all got high pH in veg and stretch. They were most impacted and showed multiple deficiency. Most notably N- and P-.
I'm thankful that my nutes are setup in stages so that the issue was quickly isolated. Also I'm thankful that I wasn't changing nutes in week 1-3 during this time lol. I also went back to my modified urea formula for now until I can work any kinks out. I don't want to be testing anything new with a medium I'm not happy with.
Finally then, pics of Blueberry Vimana D and E. Also some quick close shots of Tranquil Elephantizer 1 and 2.
BM-D week 6 start. Bears the closest resemblance to BM-B (pg. 209), but does not have a strong berry smell apparent yet. Pretty solid form and setup though. (can still see I'm playing catch up a bit with N still; hurray for multiple N forms!)
BM-E Also at week 6 start. Widest branching of all BM's. Bears closest resemblance to BM-C. As well second in N utilization in flower. presumably then it will also require a bit more Ca (as with BM-C). So I expect to see a bit of that show in week 7-9.
(Catching up on N is more obvious here. Note P- from previous issues, sigh. Have to let leaves ride though.)
TE1 This is also at 6 weeks. I had to take a close up as it is a very wide brancher. Bud clusters are more like gum balls rather than an extended cola. I don't expect it to be a high yielder, though that cannot be considered this run. Seems very reminiscent in form/ structure to the original NL (80's sensi) I had before. Has a nice fruity smell to it.
TE2 This is at week 5. It is much closer in branching but I took a similar angle as above for comparison. This definitely "looks" like it has a higher leaf to calyx ratio than most things I'v grown. I'm not sure if it's gonna bust out in late flower or just fill out some. I wonder too (and have been checking) if there are some hidden nanners as I don't note the normal abundance of visible hairs. Will have to see I guess...this one is definitely different.
Ok, so I've got time to relay why murphy was chasing me a bit recently. Mostly this centers around me "still" changing my soil components as I'm not happy. Mainly at the labor required to get the mix made.
A while ago I had posted what I was doing for soil. It was peat, coir, composted bark, perlite and >Sunleaves coarse coir. Well, it was evidently a really old bag as when I purchased a new bag; it was not at all the same stuff. Old sunleaves coarse coir was pith and fiber with on occasional chunk; whereas new sunleaves coarse coir was all chunks and pith (like shredded).
With a lack of another "coarse" fraction in my medium; i went ahead an used the new sunleaves. however, it was taking me about 8 hours to sift, sort, rinse and prep that fraction for use (each month)....also I disposed of 50%. Otherwise it worked ok for it's purpose. Since then, I've tested every type of coir I can get a hold of that may be close to old sunleaves with no luck. Evidently the value of fiber is enough in excess of pith nowadays; that there is virtually no fiber in any coir products.
Culminating factors for murphy;
-appx 4 months ago changes "stretch" nutes to be separate from veg via slightly higher P and K. (I.e. Lower N in NPK)
-appx 3 months ago, new sunleaves coir and total mix ran a bit low in pH; Correction was via Well Tap (I.E. carbonate).
(well tap was added to nutrient solutions for veg and stretch periods as they showed low pH slightly)
-appx 2 months ago, added coir fiber in place of sunleaves Only to veg plants. (slightly slower growth and slightly lighter top growth was noted).
-appx 1.5 months ago, new coir fiber mix was used for flowering plants as no serious negatives were noted. ( note BM-A,B,C were first to get this, then a "set" of bull / fuel, then BM-D,E and TE1, then Bull, TE2; progressively.)
And so it began. I noted when BM-ABC finished stretch that they had lost a few more lowers than I would expect and seemed just a bit behind on N overall. Hard to say with a new strain if something is going on..... Thankfully I put a set of bull/fuel in between the next BM's. They stretched also losing several lower leaves and got lighter green at week 3. Guess anyone who grows knows that week 3 ain't the time to have issues too. Further, I could tell that the following BM's were starting to show these symptoms now in week 2!
With a lack of another "coarse" fraction in my medium; i went ahead an used the new sunleaves. however, it was taking me about 8 hours to sift, sort, rinse and prep that fraction for use (each month)....also I disposed of 50%. Otherwise it worked ok for it's purpose. Since then, I've tested every type of coir I can get a hold of that may be close to old sunleaves with no luck. Evidently the value of fiber is enough in excess of pith nowadays; that there is virtually no fiber in any coir products.
Culminating factors for murphy;
-appx 4 months ago changes "stretch" nutes to be separate from veg via slightly higher P and K. (I.e. Lower N in NPK)
-appx 3 months ago, new sunleaves coir and total mix ran a bit low in pH; Correction was via Well Tap (I.E. carbonate).
(well tap was added to nutrient solutions for veg and stretch periods as they showed low pH slightly)
-appx 2 months ago, added coir fiber in place of sunleaves Only to veg plants. (slightly slower growth and slightly lighter top growth was noted).
-appx 1.5 months ago, new coir fiber mix was used for flowering plants as no serious negatives were noted. ( note BM-A,B,C were first to get this, then a "set" of bull / fuel, then BM-D,E and TE1, then Bull, TE2; progressively.)
And so it began. I noted when BM-ABC finished stretch that they had lost a few more lowers than I would expect and seemed just a bit behind on N overall. Hard to say with a new strain if something is going on..... Thankfully I put a set of bull/fuel in between the next BM's. They stretched also losing several lower leaves and got lighter green at week 3. Guess anyone who grows knows that week 3 ain't the time to have issues too. Further, I could tell that the following BM's were starting to show these symptoms now in week 2!
-stretch specific formula exacerbated events via slightly lower N ratio in NPK.
-prior carbonate adjustment for pH which was fine, after fiber change; led to high pH soil.
-Higher carbon to nitrate ratio of fiber vs pith influenced immobilization of N.
-Moisture / lockout relationship with fiber vs pith greatly different. I had lockout from too dry xD.
-The first test of my final urea formula (only applied week 3-6) drifted into 7.0; not good coming in with above.
-my diaphragm pump delivering nutes to week 3-6 started bypassing most of the flow over a couple weeks.
A note with coir and moisture. I've always heard that if you let coir dry out then you will get lockout. Now I can't say that I had ever seen that, even though I treat coir like peat (i.e. bone dry before water). However, the fiber, the fiber........now that DOES do exactly what they say. I can also then safely say that I let my soil get drier than this point as my norm.
So then prior pics of BM-A,B,C got a smaller bit of high pH (carbonates) and immobilization (small up-pot size diff) and also got the week 3-6 formula which drifted. This primarily lowered root efficiency / uptake rate which led to the most notable issue of EC+.
BM-D,E and TE1 and 2; all got high pH in veg and stretch. They were most impacted and showed multiple deficiency. Most notably N- and P-.
I'm thankful that my nutes are setup in stages so that the issue was quickly isolated. Also I'm thankful that I wasn't changing nutes in week 1-3 during this time lol. I also went back to my modified urea formula for now until I can work any kinks out. I don't want to be testing anything new with a medium I'm not happy with.
Finally then, pics of Blueberry Vimana D and E. Also some quick close shots of Tranquil Elephantizer 1 and 2.
BM-D week 6 start. Bears the closest resemblance to BM-B (pg. 209), but does not have a strong berry smell apparent yet. Pretty solid form and setup though. (can still see I'm playing catch up a bit with N still; hurray for multiple N forms!)
BM-E Also at week 6 start. Widest branching of all BM's. Bears closest resemblance to BM-C. As well second in N utilization in flower. presumably then it will also require a bit more Ca (as with BM-C). So I expect to see a bit of that show in week 7-9.
(Catching up on N is more obvious here. Note P- from previous issues, sigh. Have to let leaves ride though.)
TE1 This is also at 6 weeks. I had to take a close up as it is a very wide brancher. Bud clusters are more like gum balls rather than an extended cola. I don't expect it to be a high yielder, though that cannot be considered this run. Seems very reminiscent in form/ structure to the original NL (80's sensi) I had before. Has a nice fruity smell to it.
TE2 This is at week 5. It is much closer in branching but I took a similar angle as above for comparison. This definitely "looks" like it has a higher leaf to calyx ratio than most things I'v grown. I'm not sure if it's gonna bust out in late flower or just fill out some. I wonder too (and have been checking) if there are some hidden nanners as I don't note the normal abundance of visible hairs. Will have to see I guess...this one is definitely different.
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Thanks for all the likes brother and also for the amazing bud porn pics!!! Your plants just look so fucking good!! Hats off my man!!! And watch out for those nanners, they wrecked me last run
CBDEMON
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Damn man @MGRox, you put some serious thought into your nutes, dosing, and soil mix. Always love to see what you're cooking up. You can really tell you are passionate about your grow, and avidly taking notes and improving your technique along the way. Much respect to you sir!
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Hey so I was speaking to Jermy over at BAS asking why he doesn't have any Humus for sale ever and he told me how he hates that product and how their compost is pretty much the same thing but better....How do y'all feel about that?
NaturalTherapy
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E pheno looks like the father side, leaning toward the blue afghan expression, but has more narrow blades. I'd guess that one is gonna be one of the more potent phenos.
That strong berry smelling plant (I think B) looks like a hybrid, not much direct resemblance to either parent, but has the sugary berry aroma from mom, which is always a crowd pleasing aroma/flavor.
Thanks for growing these out! I've given a couple hundred out and I think you're te first to explore them. Really hope you find some potential contenders
That strong berry smelling plant (I think B) looks like a hybrid, not much direct resemblance to either parent, but has the sugary berry aroma from mom, which is always a crowd pleasing aroma/flavor.
Thanks for growing these out! I've given a couple hundred out and I think you're te first to explore them. Really hope you find some potential contenders
MGRox
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@Lazerus00 & @CBDEMON Dang, thanks for the kind words guys! Everyone, posts such great pics and it's always nice to see! I just hope to be able to do the breeders justice with these and in this case.
@NaturalTherapy Thank you a bunch for your input there. E, huh? ...hmmmm. Interesting. Yeah, B is the berry one. I'm guessing that it is a bit recessive as it was only dominant in 1 of 5 (too small of sample to know). It has good chunky formation and density, so it will definitely be down to the effect on that one. It would appear that the vimana is the more dominant side of the cross yes?
I'm anxious to see how they "ride" as well. There is a good diversity of expression and I'm hopeful that the range of effects follows a bit with that. I've really enjoyed growing them out so far; they have been troopers haha. I must thank you again for the opportunity.
@Lazerus00 If your talking straight up Humus; I guess it has a few properties. It's most notable use is that it helps to provide "even" moisture to soils. Sort of lowers the surface tension gradient of the medium, if you will. More recently there have been studies to affirm that humus indeed can increase uptake of certain metals via organo-chelation. So, it has a "less utilized" and ancillary effect of increasing availability of certain metals. Lastly, in a technical sense; humus is not a biological contributor. As defined it is whats left when bacteria cannot break it down further.
I would presume that the perspective that BAS has; is that compost has humus and is biologically active. In that sense and if your also needing other organics; it may well save an ingredient. As long as you get some black staining on your hand when you mush a bit around, it should suffice there.
Personally I highly value humus and its' ability for a more even moisture. Since I tend to run more dry than most.....if you take humus out of my mix; I would very likely have lockout issues.
@NaturalTherapy Thank you a bunch for your input there. E, huh? ...hmmmm. Interesting. Yeah, B is the berry one. I'm guessing that it is a bit recessive as it was only dominant in 1 of 5 (too small of sample to know). It has good chunky formation and density, so it will definitely be down to the effect on that one. It would appear that the vimana is the more dominant side of the cross yes?
I'm anxious to see how they "ride" as well. There is a good diversity of expression and I'm hopeful that the range of effects follows a bit with that. I've really enjoyed growing them out so far; they have been troopers haha. I must thank you again for the opportunity.
@Lazerus00 If your talking straight up Humus; I guess it has a few properties. It's most notable use is that it helps to provide "even" moisture to soils. Sort of lowers the surface tension gradient of the medium, if you will. More recently there have been studies to affirm that humus indeed can increase uptake of certain metals via organo-chelation. So, it has a "less utilized" and ancillary effect of increasing availability of certain metals. Lastly, in a technical sense; humus is not a biological contributor. As defined it is whats left when bacteria cannot break it down further.
I would presume that the perspective that BAS has; is that compost has humus and is biologically active. In that sense and if your also needing other organics; it may well save an ingredient. As long as you get some black staining on your hand when you mush a bit around, it should suffice there.
Personally I highly value humus and its' ability for a more even moisture. Since I tend to run more dry than most.....if you take humus out of my mix; I would very likely have lockout issues.
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Perfect!! Just the information I was after!! Your a never ending wealth of knowledge bro and I'm glad to know you and call you a friend!!
Stumpy420
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Lol
here's what the big chipper looks like dried, uncured other than sitting out on my nightstand
NaturalTherapy
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The Area 91 (vimana father line) is really dominant. The male I used does many good things for structure, potency and yield, but it's become clear that he seems to dull the aromatics. Not a very valuable trait lol, one that possibly diminishes the other positive attributes he brings.
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What up brotha good to see you around! Where ya been hidin at these last few months???.
I still might be able to go this weekend, just scrambling to find someone to watch the kids rite now big homie.... @Og Gong @Ned Kelly
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@Natural therapy @MGRox thank you both for your amazing wealth of information on this page and the last. Your both humble souls and i can respect that in a big way. Positivity and respect brothers.
MG always good seeing you around brother. I feel like the days we got to back n fourth are a long time past, and i still employ your advice in my garden to this day, with only a small blue picture and a name about miracle grow (lol) to thank for it. You working together with NT is an amazingly heavy duo. truthfully humbled in respect for the team of you two cultivating a friendship of fire and knowledge. Would be sick for yall to do a seed line together. Real talk
MG always good seeing you around brother. I feel like the days we got to back n fourth are a long time past, and i still employ your advice in my garden to this day, with only a small blue picture and a name about miracle grow (lol) to thank for it. You working together with NT is an amazingly heavy duo. truthfully humbled in respect for the team of you two cultivating a friendship of fire and knowledge. Would be sick for yall to do a seed line together. Real talk
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this.
Seriously, @MGRox and @NaturalTherapy throwing down together would be ruthless.
BlackSheepOG
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Beast mode activate
NaturalTherapy
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MGRox and I met at last year's CO canna cup and I shared some seed with him. Unless you're an asshole I'll gladly share with almost anyone if we've met face to face.
This year's freebies:
Blue dream x(blue afghan x area91)
Mazar I Shariff x(blue afghan x area91)
Tangerine Haze x Medicine Man
Ghost OG x Scott's OG
NL5 x Scotts OG
Maybe some others if they finish up in time...
Come to CO and get yours!
This year's freebies:
Blue dream x(blue afghan x area91)
Mazar I Shariff x(blue afghan x area91)
Tangerine Haze x Medicine Man
Ghost OG x Scott's OG
NL5 x Scotts OG
Maybe some others if they finish up in time...
Come to CO and get yours!
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Hey since I am using rice hulls as my only aeration for all my airpots do i need to add it to my soil mix before or after i let it cook for 2 weeks?? Im assuming after?
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