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[SeaF0ur]

I've seen your isolation chamber but I see loads of breeding threads about how to catch pollen and store it, apply it, when to do this, etc. before I try to seperate the wheat from the chaff, I figured you might have a link to something.

All I did was mention the other SG.... Puppy peddlers. He told me what happened to his dark jihad first round cut and her. Scandalous. I just want that floral pepper spice from khalisi #1. He said it was rare.

Yeah... seeing your work for sale before its even finished is a real shitty look....

pollen...

I use a cardboard catch tray. I put colored construction paper on it for the pollen to fall. others take branches off the plant before they spew and put em like roses in the windowsill, again, leaning sideways over paper or foil or something.... even easier, a M & F can be put in isolation together.

drying is important. in my method, the pollen sits on the tray for a while so it dries out over time.
others cut the pollen up to 40-50% high with baking flour to dry it further, but moisture kills pollen.
I usually put a small amount of flour (5-10%) and I always put rice in the jar I place the pollen in.
keep it dry dry dry.

Since I keep male plants, I store my pollen in a cool dry place in the back of a desk drawer in cork stoppered glass vials that are then in a tupperware with silica packs ripped open and the balls in the bottom of the tupperware.
If not keeping males, pollen should be separated into single serving sizes, packed separately and after drying good, placed in the freezer. Single serving sizes stop condensation killing it going into and out of and into the freezer.

Pollination can be done with a small paint brush, but thats a bit messy... I like to put pollen in the corner of a breadbag, roll that corner to keep it in place, slip it over the branch like a sock, secure the breadbag around the stem with a pipe cleaner, and shake it like Michael J Fox... I leave it an hour or so, then kill the fans and remove the breadbag. I dont spray water on them, but finding an extra dozen seeds elsewhere dont bother me too much. If it does you, after the hour, when removing the bag, give em a water spritz. you'll get much less seed if you do.

Seeds take 4-5 weeks to develop properly, so your pollination window closes 4 weeks before chop. I like 5.... bigger better lookin seeds plus you can hit at 5, and then again at 4 weeks before chop to have nice proper lookin seeds.
Seeds must be dried as well, and its easiest to cure the seeds with your buds.

Collection is a sticky bitch. get your frisbee and get to work.... I believe that covers things pretty well.

I couldn't agree more, that's the reason I smoke male leaves (whaaat?) to help me find the better pollen donor and improve the local sativa lines. In my neck of the woods (South America) cattle ranchers are keenly aware how critical bull selection is, there are stallion competitions and the best get auctioned off for tons of money because they can singlehandledly and dramatically improve the quantity and quality of your beef. So when I first stumbled upon THCFarmer I immediately went into the "Breeder's Lab" sub-forum thinking I would find people recommending pollen from a certain strain, discussing the specific traits their males would pass on to the progenie, and swapping proven pollen but found nothing like that. There should even be a market for top notch pollen. Collecting and storing pollen is just as important as keeping mother clones, once you see the effect that particular male had on the cross you'd love to be able to go back and use that pollen again.

Viability is the real deadlock there... I do gift out pollen at times, but viability cannot be assured, and failure cannot be verified, so a business I dont think it could be, unless you flowered males at all times for fresh pollen stock.

Hey anybody that makes kelp paste have any idea how long it will last if I made it fresh and have kept it at like refrigerator temps?? @seafour

Not sure on time... but definitely keep it in the back coldest corner of the fridge. at our dilution and application rates I'd simply not make giant batches of it.
I do a different process of aerating kelp in water for long periods of time.

 

[SeaF0ur]

Also... if you mark your seeded branches with colored markers of some type as I do with the colored pipe cleaners
IE green=pollenX blue=pollenY red=pollenZ
you can take those specific buds and really overdry them for the hash stash which makes seed collection much easier than keeping seeded buds within the curing humidity ranges.

 

[Tnelz]

Got a sweet new additive that will be going into my feed regimen.The reviews on this stuff are rave so I'm pretty excited.
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Best stuff out silica wise. You will love it. I can't say enough.

 

[Tnelz]

Yeah, I guess the "fresh pollen business" would be a hassle to operate. Would love to hear about any current studs you have and their characteristics.



Sounds pretty sophisticated, what's the benefit of silica to the plants? Never heard of this.

Stronger stems bigger leaves allows the plant to deal with any of the million things that can stress it out. The list goes on and on. I can give u one example I've been seeing with the oas in particular. Even leaves that want to fall off don't. And when I go to pull them off its a pain in the ass. The attachment is crazy strong. Really testing oas this run. I didn't stake one of my plants. The stalks were so thick and hard to bend I want to see how they hold up vs some nice big buds. Awesome in root drenches or foliar. I also mist fresh cuttings with oas. I love the stuff man. If you didn't want to spend the money on it there are many cheaper alternatives out there. None of them are as good Imo but I used protekt for years. Good stuff and any silica is better than zero silica. Good luck brother.

 

[DismalDude]

Sounds pretty sophisticated, what's the benefit of silica to the plants? Never heard of this.

So much information on this subject but here's a tidbit from their site.

Silicic acid is very important for optimal plant health. Countless studies over the last couple decades from around the world show how silicic acid helps growers build stronger plants, optimize crop nutrition, plus increase yields and quality.

Stabilized orthosilicic is a small group of silicic acid molecules suspended in solution. When added to water, these molecules break apart into monomer form -- this is how silicon becomes immediately and rapidly available to plants!

We didn't invent silicic acic, nature did. Hell, we weren't even first to market. We're just trying to be the best...that's what growers need.

http://osa28.com/

 

[Tnelz]

So much information on this subject but here's a tidbit from their site.

Silicic acid is very important for optimal plant health. Countless studies over the last couple decades from around the world show how silicic acid helps growers build stronger plants, optimize crop nutrition, plus increase yields and quality.

Stabilized orthosilicic is a small group of silicic acid molecules suspended in solution. When added to water, these molecules break apart into monomer form -- this is how silicon becomes immediately and rapidly available to plants!

We didn't invent silicic acic, nature did. Hell, we weren't even first to market. We're just trying to be the best...that's what growers need.

http://osa28.com/

Was just going to say the dudes making it are really awesome guys. If you contacted them they will answer any question you had. I've got a lot of respect for those guys. And they are fairly local to me as well. U will love it brother.

 

[lemons]

if worm castings are burn proof way of putting N in the dirt, whats the point of people mixing all the other goofy shit in? i had a cat that wouldnt eat anything but canned food once, bitch you better eat whatever i put on the table!

 

[lemons]

uh oh, the silica topic. everywhere i go its like 20 articles saying its amazing and 20 articles saying its snake oil.. just try the damn stuff for yourself! i'll prolly use it on half my girls next time around to see whats really real. test logs like that are way underrated.

 

[Tnelz]

if worm castings are burn proof way of putting N in the dirt, whats the point of people mixing all the other goofy shit in? i had a cat that wouldnt eat anything but canned food once, bitch you better eat whatever i put on the table!

It's not exactly high in nitrogen. Something like 1-0-0

 

[Lazerus00]

Not sure on time... but definitely keep it in the back coldest corner of the fridge. at our dilution and application rates I'd simply not make giant batches of it.
I do a different process of aerating kelp in water for long periods of time.

Yea I remember you posting pics...I actually bought a 1gal jar to try that bubbling for days for foliar and drench...but this other batch I made was I think like bout 2ish motnths..i just forgot about it bc it was small and behind everything!!=( It smelled fine but I tossed it bc I got kelp on racks!!!!

 

[Lazerus00]

See me walkin with a limp, thats my gun walk! thats my gun walk!! Nigga dats my GUN WALK!!

 

[Tnelz]

See me walkin with a limp, thats my gun walk! thats my gun walk!! Nigga dats my GUN WALK!!

Goon

 

[Lazerus00]

Goon

D Block Son!! Don't you forget it!! Amor del ray!

 

[Lazerus00]

Black and yellow black and yellow!

 

[Tnelz]

D Block Son!! Don't you forget it!! Amor del ray!

How would u even know I'm one of those?

 

[Tnelz]

Too

How would u even know I'm one of those?

too funny.

 

[SeaF0ur]

uh oh, the silica topic. everywhere i go its like 20 articles saying its amazing and 20 articles saying its snake oil.. just try the damn stuff for yourself! i'll prolly use it on half my girls next time around to see whats really real. test logs like that are way underrated.

The science has long been in there...

Silicon is the second most common element in the earth's crust.

Silicon effectively ‘builds’ the plant, acting as the cement between the bricks in the cell walls or between the actual cells themselves.... It increases the structural integrity of the plant and it makes stems and branches thicker and stronger, leaves greener and tougher, and the buds more dense.
Plants grown without Si are structurally weaker as well as more open to attack from fungal's and pests...

 

[Stumpy420]

i had a cat that wouldnt eat anything but canned food once, bitch you better eat whatever i put on the table!

That's every dog I've ever owned. It gets to the point where they literally won't eat the wet food. I even buy the better foods and he looks at me like I'm the one that's dumb... I guess he actually wants what is on the table!

 

[Tnelz]

The science has long been in there...

Silicon is the second most common element in the earth's crust.

Silicon effectively ‘builds’ the plant, acting as the cement between the bricks in the cell walls or between the actual cells themselves.... It increases the structural integrity of the plant and it makes stems and branches thicker and stronger, leaves greener and tougher, and the buds more dense.
Plants grown without Si are structurally weaker as well as more open to attack from fungal's and pests...

Fountain of information and well said.

 

[lemons]

they actually did a study on whales that show that they can sense and respond irritably when quality and\or frequency of treats and food drops. i know we are like that. you got smart pups on your hands!