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If we are going to learn how to maximize the most expensive piece of hydro equipment you can buy then we had better step up our game and make sure we are talking about the same things. Comments such as h&g has "too much N" or "k is king" are not helpful in understanding what kind of nute profiles flourish in the UC system.
So, in an attempt to understand the UC that i am undertaking i thought i would provide the profiles for all the lines im considering running. hopefully with the numbers in mind we can discuss the pros and cons of the actual available nutrient profiles. Below are the calculations for the profiles at full str (undercurrent profiles will be half of these) as well as in a 10ml/gal for easy use. Also if you are posting numbers in ppm or tds please include the conversion rate your meter is using.
Also anyone with the numbers on DM please post them or ill find them in a few days. (and if your interested in learning more about nutrient profiles a good place to look is Shroomdr's post on icmag, some of these profiles are his work.)
My initial thoughts:
H&G - N seems fine. wtf is up with no cal numbers?
Dyna - P is too high
Maxi - Again, high P
PBP - +7 ml cal-mag
CNS17 - bloom looks good
Profiles:
H&G (8ml/gal A&B)
N 112
P 40
K 200
Mg 16
Ca UNKNOWN
S 0
Dyna Bloom (7ml/gal)
N 72
P 126
K 120.4
Mg 11.9
Ca 48.3
S 2.1
GH MaxiBloom Powder
(5-15-14) (NH4)0.5% (NO3)4.5% Mg3.5% Ca5.0% Fe.1% S4.0% @7g/Gal
N 92.4
P 120.4
K 215.6
Mg 64.4
Ca 92.4
S 74.2
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5)
@15mL/Gal
N 91.5
P 60
K 189
Mg 22.5
Ca 45
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) @7mL/Gal
N 37.8
P0
K0
Mg 22.4
Ca 60.2
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4)
@15mL/Gal
N 136.5
P 39
K 151.5
Mg 22.5
Ca 127.5
S 49.5
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5)
@15mL/Gal
N 91.5
P 39
K 189
Mg 22.5
Ca 91.5
Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4)
@15mL/Gal
N 30 45
P 66 99
K 101 151.5
Mg 3
Ca 5
S 3
And at 10ml/gal:
H&G
(3-12-6) (NH4) 0.7% (NO3) 2.3% Mg0.5% Ca2% Fe0.1% S0.09% Mn0.05% @10ml/Gal
N 140
P 50
K 250
Mg 20
Ca UNKNOWN
S 0
Dyna Gro Bloom
(3-12-6) (NH4) 0.7% (NO3) 2.3% Mg0.5% Ca2% Fe0.1% S0.09% Mn0.05% @10ml/Gal
N 103
P 181
K 172
Mg 17
Ca 69 S 3
Fe 3.4552
B .691
Cl NOT LISTED
Co 0.0518
Cu 1.7276
Mn 1.7276
Mo 0.0311 Zn 1.7276
Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron, Boric Acid, Potassium Chloride, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper, Molybdic Acid, Manganese, Zinc Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate
GH MaxiBloom Powder
(5-15-14) (NH4)0.5% (NO3)4.5% Mg3.5% Ca5.0% Fe.1% S4.0% @7g/Gal
N 92.4
P 120.4
K 215.6
Mg 64.4
Ca 92.4
S 74.2
Fe 1.848
B NOT LISTED
Co NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn NOT LISTED
Mo NOT LISTED
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.
Cutting Edge Solution Bloom
(0-6-5) Mg1% S2% 1090g/946mL= 1.15g/mL@10mL/Gal Cutting Edge Solution Micro
(6-0-0) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)5.7% Ca5% Fe.1% B.02% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008% 1200g/946mL = 1.27g/mL @6mL/Gal
N 120.6
P 80
K 126
Mg 30
Ca 100.8
S 61
Fe 2.01
B .402
Co 1.20
Mn 1.008
Mo 0.018
Na NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Boric Acid, Cobalt Sulfate, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate. Phosphoric Acid, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) Mg1.2% Ca3.2% Fe.1% 1.0208 g/mL @10mL/Gal
N 54
P0
K0
Mg 32
Ca 86
Fe 2.7
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron EDTA.
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 40
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.15% Humic acid derived from leonardite.
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) Mg1.2% Ca3.2% Fe.1% 1.0208 g/mL @10mL/Gal
N 54
P0
K0
Mg 32
Ca 86
Fe 2.7
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron EDTA.
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca2.8% S1.1% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 26
K 101
Mg 15
Ca 85
S 33
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2% S1.14% Mn.03% Mo.0003%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 26
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 61
S 35
Mn 0.9
Mo 0.009
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.
Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4) Mg.1% Ca0.15% S.1% Mn.01% Mo.0001%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 66
K 101
Mg 3
Ca 5
S 3
Mn 0.30
Mo 0.003
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.
So, in an attempt to understand the UC that i am undertaking i thought i would provide the profiles for all the lines im considering running. hopefully with the numbers in mind we can discuss the pros and cons of the actual available nutrient profiles. Below are the calculations for the profiles at full str (undercurrent profiles will be half of these) as well as in a 10ml/gal for easy use. Also if you are posting numbers in ppm or tds please include the conversion rate your meter is using.
Also anyone with the numbers on DM please post them or ill find them in a few days. (and if your interested in learning more about nutrient profiles a good place to look is Shroomdr's post on icmag, some of these profiles are his work.)
My initial thoughts:
H&G - N seems fine. wtf is up with no cal numbers?
Dyna - P is too high
Maxi - Again, high P
PBP - +7 ml cal-mag
CNS17 - bloom looks good
Profiles:
H&G (8ml/gal A&B)
N 112
P 40
K 200
Mg 16
Ca UNKNOWN
S 0
Dyna Bloom (7ml/gal)
N 72
P 126
K 120.4
Mg 11.9
Ca 48.3
S 2.1
GH MaxiBloom Powder
(5-15-14) (NH4)0.5% (NO3)4.5% Mg3.5% Ca5.0% Fe.1% S4.0% @7g/Gal
N 92.4
P 120.4
K 215.6
Mg 64.4
Ca 92.4
S 74.2
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5)
@15mL/Gal
N 91.5
P 60
K 189
Mg 22.5
Ca 45
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) @7mL/Gal
N 37.8
P0
K0
Mg 22.4
Ca 60.2
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4)
@15mL/Gal
N 136.5
P 39
K 151.5
Mg 22.5
Ca 127.5
S 49.5
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5)
@15mL/Gal
N 91.5
P 39
K 189
Mg 22.5
Ca 91.5
Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4)
@15mL/Gal
N 30 45
P 66 99
K 101 151.5
Mg 3
Ca 5
S 3
And at 10ml/gal:
H&G
(3-12-6) (NH4) 0.7% (NO3) 2.3% Mg0.5% Ca2% Fe0.1% S0.09% Mn0.05% @10ml/Gal
N 140
P 50
K 250
Mg 20
Ca UNKNOWN
S 0
Dyna Gro Bloom
(3-12-6) (NH4) 0.7% (NO3) 2.3% Mg0.5% Ca2% Fe0.1% S0.09% Mn0.05% @10ml/Gal
N 103
P 181
K 172
Mg 17
Ca 69 S 3
Fe 3.4552
B .691
Cl NOT LISTED
Co 0.0518
Cu 1.7276
Mn 1.7276
Mo 0.0311 Zn 1.7276
Derived From: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Ammonium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Iron, Boric Acid, Potassium Chloride, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper, Molybdic Acid, Manganese, Zinc Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate
GH MaxiBloom Powder
(5-15-14) (NH4)0.5% (NO3)4.5% Mg3.5% Ca5.0% Fe.1% S4.0% @7g/Gal
N 92.4
P 120.4
K 215.6
Mg 64.4
Ca 92.4
S 74.2
Fe 1.848
B NOT LISTED
Co NOT LISTED
Cu NOT LISTED
Mn NOT LISTED
Mo NOT LISTED
Zn NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Potassium Borate, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate, Zinc Sulfate.
Cutting Edge Solution Bloom
(0-6-5) Mg1% S2% 1090g/946mL= 1.15g/mL@10mL/Gal Cutting Edge Solution Micro
(6-0-0) (NH4)0.3% (NO3)5.7% Ca5% Fe.1% B.02% Co.0005% Mn.05% Mo.0008% 1200g/946mL = 1.27g/mL @6mL/Gal
N 120.6
P 80
K 126
Mg 30
Ca 100.8
S 61
Fe 2.01
B .402
Co 1.20
Mn 1.008
Mo 0.018
Na NOT LISTED
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Calcium Carbonate, Iron DPTA, Iron EDDHA, Boric Acid, Cobalt Sulfate, Manganese EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Zinc Nitrate. Phosphoric Acid, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) Mg1.2% Ca3.2% Fe.1% 1.0208 g/mL @10mL/Gal
N 54
P0
K0
Mg 32
Ca 86
Fe 2.7
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron EDTA.
Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom Hydro (2-3-5) Mg.5% Ca1%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 40
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 30
Derived from: Fish Meal, Composted Seabird Guano, Kelp, Rock Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Magnesium Carbonate, Calcium Carbonate. 0.15% Humic acid derived from leonardite.
Botanicare Cal Mag Plus (2-0-0) Mg1.2% Ca3.2% Fe.1% 1.0208 g/mL @10mL/Gal
N 54
P0
K0
Mg 32
Ca 86
Fe 2.7
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Iron EDTA.
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Grow (3-2-4) (NH4).14% (NO3)2.86% Mg.5% Ca2.8% S1.1% Mn.05% Mo.0005%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 91
P 26
K 101
Mg 15
Ca 85
S 33
Mn 1.5
Mo 0.015
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.
Botanicare CNS17 Hydro Bloom (2-2-5) (NH4)0.09% (NO3)1.91% Mg.5% Ca2% S1.14% Mn.03% Mo.0003%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 61
P 26
K 126
Mg 15
Ca 61
S 35
Mn 0.9
Mo 0.009
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.
Botanicare CNS17 Ripe (1-5-4) Mg.1% Ca0.15% S.1% Mn.01% Mo.0001%
4360g/3800mL = 1.147g/mL
@10mL/Gal
N 30
P 66
K 101
Mg 3
Ca 5
S 3
Mn 0.30
Mo 0.003
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Nitrate, Manganese Sulfate, Ammonium Molybdate.