Kolah, you ever read the study that showed that a combination of urine+wood ash is a BETTER and MORE EFFECTIVE fertilizer than typical blue NPK ferts? Even urine alone is better in the testing done. Your reply, and squiggly's, have been very diplomatic. Mine further down will not be so diplomatic.
Just my 2¢ (worth a lot less I'm sure) Some years ago I raised checkered giant rabbits in my garage as a hobby and sold the meat to a local Belgian butcher shop. Rabbits shit a ton. And the main ingredient in rabbit pellets/food is alfalpha I had a rain gutter sytem set up to collect it as the floors of the cages were 1/4" hardware cloth allowing the turds/urine to fall through. I composted the manuer and had the best looking flower beds on the block. The pile of composted turds in the late spring when I turned it over had TONS of night crawlers in it. Any fresh water fishermen (or Belgians for that matter) out there? Commercial night crawler breeders use rabbit poop to grow them.....and those "castings" you see in the store were once alphalpha then rabbit shit then worm poop........ahhhhhh the circle of life!!
What's special about rabbit run-off is that it's been being fed alfalfa, and so it goes for any herbivore whose effluent we'll re-use for fertilization--what they eat affects to a large degree how well, or what effects it will have for us when we use it as soil food. As you noted and practiced, composting (the repeat processes of immobilization and mineralization by microbes) is the key here! I believe you can make a bunny crap tea, but would have to go VERY low on the ratios.
you ever see a dog piss on a plant? it fucks it up...and dogs only drink water, i drink booze..i cant imagine thats good for plants.
Not if it's only peed on once. When it's a problem is when you have undiluted urine applied repeatedly to the same area. It burns, just like the blue stuff. Your liver has taken care of any downstream issues the booze may present. What's a problem are xeno-hormones and the like--what are you
eating, not just drinking?
not even read this post im just gonna say one thing you piss that stuff out for a reason because its TOXIC to your body so fuck putting it on my girls thats kinda filthy anyway we have a name for that its called watersports haha :)
"a sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie, but i wouldnt know cause i aint eating the motherfucker"
seriously, if it did or didnt work, YUCK! i'd be pissed, literally.
it does work, but seriously with the prices of nutes nowadays thats soooo gross and dumb. if dookies raised PK would you be shittin in your res?
You sound like a small scale closet grower and a child.
lol EXACTLY. your urine is everything you havent used passing through you. yes, there may be some beneficials, but not nearly enough to make it beneficial. get some grow big. lolololol
Is this all you can offer the thread? Is it safe to assume that you have absolutely zero practical experience with this subject, let alone a grasp of plant nutrition at a level only slightly above NPK paradigms?
Just to take a slightly different course (that's how I roll it seems according to my daughters) my urine is pH 5.7 so in a pinch I have built in pH down. I also take iron suppliments with a generous dose of vitamin C at the same time, and get B12 shots and Ferreheme twice ayear for anemia...but for iron I just have old steel nails in every pot......and for the record I'd eat a pumpkin pie flavored sewer rat!!! A little saffron rice and broccoli and hollandaise on the side and new Gamay Beaujolais!!! Bon appetit as they say in in Kay Beck, eh!!!
Liberano, if you're using biological (read: organic, chem salts kill the biology) methods you don't *need* to concern yourself with pH adjustment. If you're growing in coir, that pH is pretty darn near spot on, too. What cannot be ignored is that what's provided in fresh urine is BIO-AVAILABLE nutrients, usually in the proper ratios for plants so as to not cause imbalances, deficiencies, toxicities, etc. Allowing the soil biology to work in concert with the rhizosphere practically guarantees success.
Once you're able to do that, you can then begin to understand and work with Brix. Got a refractometer? Your biggest problem from that point will be 1) getting enough sap out of cannabis leaves to get a reading and, 2) figuring out exactly how to manipulate soil parameters (N,P,K, Ca, Mg, Fe, B, Si, S, Cl, um... now I can't remember the whole suite, but looking at a Mulder's mineral chart is really helpful for grasping what's occurring on a molecular level) so as to get that Brix reading as high as you possibly can.
Why? Because, high Brix = optimum plant health.
I'm still trying to sort out the "squeezing enough sap out of the leaves!" stage. I'm thinking maybe a rigged up C-clamp, with plates or something...? I don't know, it needs to be able to be taken out in the 'field' with me.
so RB I was going to try it with one of my hydro projects. I'm non skeert. I think I could make this work well. Cap's bennies in my buckets would convert the urea nitrogen to elemental N and the other elements could be adjusted with diet. I eat meat once a week and most of the food I eat is organic so my piss would be low in all unusual compounds but one. I think this thread was a long time coming. Thanks Onespark.
Excellent! I'm assuming that you provide homes for beneficial microbes in this system, which would allow the beneficials to act.
You're right, this is a long time coming, although last year I proved that I can grow some mighty good stuff using my urine as a base, but I didn't produce enough to really get the yield on the one plant that got nothing but urine. The others were in amended soil and got teas and organic feeds, along with my favorite sugars, that are again aimed at feeding soil biology *and* the plants. I'm not sure you can do this easily in a hydroponic set up (use sugars), but I do when I'm growing in coir.
Please notify me when you start a thread, will you?