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Once again, proof positive that you haven't a clue what you don't know... do yourself a favor; go get this thing called an 'education.' Perhaps at that point we can have a fruitful discussion. Until then, you won't have the mental tools to understand that we're poking a collander's worth of holes in all your arguments and you'll just get grouchy. Pretty much a waste of time. And find another avatar; I like my deficiency chart!
ttystikk: I am forcing you to read your words.you haven't a clue what you don't know... do yourself a favor; go get this thing called an 'education.' you won't have the mental tools to understand
i personally asked someone who has been doing the 12-1 lighting schedule and they said that there not doing it anymore due to a 25% decrease in yield; although they did finish faster. if thats the case then IMO people are better off using 10/14 schedule.
never imagined this thread getting this much insight and great info! once again thanks all!
G/KWH gives a more accurate reading of the total electrical expense to produce if the gr has a separate meter or if household use can be quantified and deducted. Otherwise, we've got a discrepancy. ec should be the standard measurement shared, even while knowing that ppm is more "appropriate" when organic molecules are present and in a strict sense, we are often not getting true or complete ec readings.
I'd also like to see a new standard of working measurements for base, organic nutrient materials to replace N-P-K-Ca-Mg w/ soluble and insoluble %'s of the elements after their compounds enter and break up into anions and cations in an H2O solution.
whatt!!??! never heard of it?!? of course you have. 12/12 is just the "in between" or a median/ standard to make it simple for us growers. this info i got from the old overgrow faq; but it goes something like this.....light IS directly related to yield and finish time. 12/12 being the "in between" is what we run with, while 10/14 will make you yield less but at the same time speeds up flowering time. 14/10 will give you a higher yield but result in a longer flowering time. now 12/12 being the middle is pretty much the best of both or the worst of both..idk.I haven't heard of the 10/14 schedule. Explain?
Lol. its cool, do as you guys please..i wanted some insight, and got a ton IMO. i think we're all waiting for someone to tell us something we dont know, or havent thought off. help us brainstorm wayne!Gentlemen I suggest you all get back on the original topic of this thread.:)
whatt!!??! never heard of it?!? of course you have. 12/12 is just the "in between" or a median/ standard to make it simple for us growers. this info i got from the old overgrow faq; but it goes something like this.....light IS directly related to yield and finish time. 12/12 being the "in between" is what we run with, while 10/14 will make you yield less but at the same time speeds up flowering time. 14/10 will give you a higher yield but result in a longer flowering time. now 12/12 being the middle is pretty much the best of both or the worst of both..idk.
My first run I successfully flowered under a 13.5 hour day.I've run 13/11 w/ indica doms and concur w/ waayne. Borrow from Peter, pay Paul. 14 on is pushing the envelope for some strains. I settled in @ 12.5/11.5 for reasons that are unbeknown to me.
i think the best way to get good yield with avg yield times is by doing what your doing. on ur next run you should start at 14/10 for a decent amount of time, then do what your doing and IMO it will call for +yield with avg finish times. shit if i got to try it 1st i will !Got it. Didn't have anything to reference the numbers to. I'm currently experimenting with emulating nature's shortening of days by starting with 12/12 (Sept 21), and then adding 15 minutes to dark time- and correspondingly shortening day length- on a weekly basis. At week 8, this equates to 10 hours, 15 minutes on and 13 hours, 45 minutes off.
I have no expectations for this approach, I just want to see how the plants respond to as close to natural conditions as I can easily manage indoors.
thanks for joining us in our discussion! i have a question, did u notice more of a yield too as well as a longer flowering time?Ok
You guys sucked me in.........
I've experimented with alternative lighting schedules in the past and 12/12 is really just a median......
I've found for some strains I like 13 on and 11 off better than 12/12
The 13/11 cycle definitely lets some of my Indica dominants stretch out longer colas and bulk up more, but this also tends to turn a 9 week strain into a 10 week strain
Reducing the photoperiod as tyystikk is suggesting will speed up ripening but at the expense of some bulk,I used this approach for a couple of years as I thought it emulated nature a little better......It sped up each run but at the expense of some yield......
On the other hand I've used 11 on and 13 off for Hazes and other Sativa strains to help ripen them faster,the last few weeks I would reduce the photoperiod gradually as ttystikk is suggesting.This speeds up ripening but at the expense of a little yield........there's always, a tradeoff ;)
from research i have done 14 is only pushing it with pure sativas. from what i understand you have to make the veg to flower time drop dramatic down to 14 hrs with no harm. so you start veg out at 24/0 for a few weeks; then a 10 hr drop to 14/10, would send any plant into flowering. it may = more KWH, but that only calls for more grams if measurement is grams per kwh. it is true to some extent though, that evolution can sometimes take its toll, just like if u grew a 12 week strain in new england for multiple years ( grandparent, parent, children...and so on) eventually that plant would finish up for you within the time it need to, so yes if breeders use 12/12 for generations over and over then thats why some plants every now and then will require less then 14 hrs to flower. pure sativas are just sativas and would probably throw out reveg flowers even under 10/14 schedule.I've run 13/11 w/ indica doms and concur w/ waayne. Borrow from Peter, pay Paul. 14 on is pushing the envelope for some strains. I settled in @ 12.5/11.5 for reasons that are unbeknown to me.
see! whats an half hour...? really.. do you remember what you did for veg hours?My first run I successfully flowered under a 13.5 hour day.
24 hour veg.i think the best way to get good yield with avg yield times is by doing what your doing. on ur next run you should start at 14/10 for a decent amount of time, then do what your doing and IMO it will call for +yield with avg finish times. shit if i got to try it 1st i will !
thanks for joining us in our discussion! i have a question, did u notice more of a yield too as well as a longer flowering time?
from research i have done 14 is only pushing it with pure sativas. from what i understand you have to make the veg to flower time drop dramatic down to 14 hrs with no harm. so you start veg out at 24/0 for a few weeks; then a 10 hr drop to 14/10, would send any plant into flowering. it may = more KWH, but that only calls for more grams if measurement is grams per kwh. it is true to some extent though, that evolution can sometimes take its toll, just like if u grew a 12 week strain in new england for multiple years ( grandparent, parent, children...and so on) eventually that plant would finish up for you within the time it need to, so yes if breeders use 12/12 for generations over and over then thats why some plants every now and then will require less then 14 hrs to flower. pure sativas are just sativas and would probably throw out reveg flowers even under 10/14 schedule.
see! whats an half hour...? really.. do you remember what you did for veg hours?
thanks all!
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