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I didnt pay the $1000 for my iphone either. But many did. They are the problem if you ask me.
And i got my new $1800 mountain bike for $995 shipped. Just last years model.
The prices will come way down as led becomes the norm.
Also worried i wont be able to keep my rooms warm enough in mid winter. Adding a heater diring lights on negates any savings.
I dunno if it’s a ripoff persay. In the rack I’m in I’d need 400-600w to cover 10sqft. I’m using 190w right now with quantum boards dimmed. That’s quite a savings every month. The fixture I bought for $360 has paid for itself over HID and it’s only been 6 months.
I still say use the right tool for the job.
Sure absolutely. It just depends on your situation. It’s not ideal for everyone and I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone. But to those that can utilize it and see the benefits it’s pretty nice. But I’m not trying to push lights but rather offer an alternative option to the most popular fixture with added features for the same price.
Sure absolutely. It just depends on your situation. It’s not ideal for everyone and I wouldn’t recommend it to everyone. But to those that can utilize it and see the benefits it’s pretty nice. But I’m not trying to push lights but rather offer an alternative option to the most popular fixture with added features for the same price.
I'm alright with people paying premium prices for flagship models (of any tech). They pay for all the research & testing which lowers the prices on budget (or used) devices for us poor people. I would pay the premium for your fixture just like I pay a premium for my computer parts. People talked smack about titanium+ efficient components like my MSI X99 Titanium mobo and Seasonic Titanium power supply, but that tech goes into the budget gear everyone else raves over. If it wasn't for people like us, technology would stall. Plus, my 750w PSU runs like a 250w or less most of the time
I want your lights dude. That'd be bada$$ to control the spectrum. I thought you were just screwing with us when you first mentioned it. I'm surprised no one made any comments about it and you had to bring it up again yourself.
I didnt say i dont want it. I said i dont want to pay for it.
And the light tech comes from companies like phillips and samsung. Not little grow light companies like HLG who markets on forums to new growers primarily.
I got no beef with what you said brother. My comment was more of a blanket statement about the electronics industry as a whole. When it comes to computer parts (especially graphics cards) I've found that the aftermarket additions are nearly as important as the foundational tech, ie; Nvidia brings the raw horsepower but EVGA engineers most excellent cooling systems. So innovation doesn't stop at the primary level, but carries on into secondary and tertiary refinements. (Nvidia actually took a que from their aftermarket dealers and started using static pressure fans instead of blowers on their new RTX models.)
I don't know what part, if any, HLG plays in the design aspects. So I can't really comment on what they do, but we can all agree, that is a bada$$ fixture. Hehe.
I'm alright with people paying premium prices for flagship models (of any tech). They pay for all the research & testing which lowers the prices on budget (or used) devices for us poor people. I would pay the premium for your fixture just like I pay a premium for my computer parts. People talked smack about titanium+ efficient components like my MSI X99 Titanium mobo and Seasonic Titanium power supply, but that tech goes into the budget gear everyone else raves over. If it wasn't for people like us, technology would stall. Plus, my 750w PSU runs like a 250w or less most of the time
I want your lights dude. That'd be bada$$ to control the spectrum. I thought you were just screwing with us when you first mentioned it. I'm surprised no one made any comments about it and you had to bring it up again yourself.
Yeah the ability to control the spectrum is pretty cool. The controller does cost $249 so it’s not included with the fixture but you can daisy chain upto 100 fixtures together and use one controller. This is the only one of these I’m getting so I don’t know if I’ll invest in the controller or just try to make something myself. I have a feeling it’s just potentiometers wired to an Ethernet cable which would be easy to replicate if I had the pinout. I’ll contact the owner and see if he can hook me up. I hate to ask for too much though as he did give me the light and paid for shipping so I’ll wait a bit. But it would be nice to be able to turn the far reds on and off remotely and separately from the rest of the lights.
I agree the price is steep for the average consumer. It’s really meant for commercial farmers who will gain the most from its efficiency. But that doesn’t mean we can’t play with them too. It’s all about finding the best technology and sharing the results with the community. As you’ve said we’ve adopted commercial lighting technology since the beginning and this is no different. So let’s see what if anything this does and if it’s worth the price of admission.
As you know a customer can justify any price if they believe it’s worth it. And the opposite if they don’t. A good deal is based on perspective. So what’s it gonna take to get you into this new light tech? Haha kidding. If it was a fraction of the price you’d probably buy one and that because you don’t yet see the value in it. But that’s fine. All new technology goes through this. As time goes on and more info comes out you may find the value builds while the pricing comes down. At some point value and price will match up and you’ll wonder why you waited so long. Or not. But that’s ok too.
Yeah the ability to control the spectrum is pretty cool. The controller does cost $249 so it’s not included with the fixture but you can daisy chain upto 100 fixtures together and use one controller. This is the only one of these I’m getting so I don’t know if I’ll invest in the controller or just try to make something myself. I have a feeling it’s just potentiometers wired to an Ethernet cable which would be easy to replicate if I had the pinout. I’ll contact the owner and see if he can hook me up. I hate to ask for too much though as he did give me the light and paid for shipping so I’ll wait a bit. But it would be nice to be able to turn the far reds on and off remotely and separately from the rest of the lights.
I agree the price is steep for the average consumer. It’s really meant for commercial farmers who will gain the most from its efficiency. But that doesn’t mean we can’t play with them too. It’s all about finding the best technology and sharing the results with the community. As you’ve said we’ve adopted commercial lighting technology since the beginning and this is no different. So let’s see what if anything this does and if it’s worth the price of admission.
As you know a customer can justify any price if they believe it’s worth it. And the opposite if they don’t. A good deal is based on perspective. So what’s it gonna take to get you into this new light tech? Haha kidding. If it was a fraction of the price you’d probably buy one and that because you don’t yet see the value in it. But that’s fine. All new technology goes through this. As time goes on and more info comes out you may find the value builds while the pricing comes down. At some point value and price will match up and you’ll wonder why you waited so long. Or not. But that’s ok too.
Yeah the ability to control the spectrum is pretty cool. The controller does cost $249 so it’s not included with the fixture but you can daisy chain upto 100 fixtures together and use one controller. This is the only one of these I’m getting so I don’t know if I’ll invest in the controller or just try to make something myself. I have a feeling it’s just potentiometers wired to an Ethernet cable which would be easy to replicate if I had the pinout. I’ll contact the owner and see if he can hook me up. I hate to ask for too much though as he did give me the light and paid for shipping so I’ll wait a bit. But it would be nice to be able to turn the far reds on and off remotely and separately from the rest of the lights.
I agree the price is steep for the average consumer. It’s really meant for commercial farmers who will gain the most from its efficiency. But that doesn’t mean we can’t play with them too. It’s all about finding the best technology and sharing the results with the community. As you’ve said we’ve adopted commercial lighting technology since the beginning and this is no different. So let’s see what if anything this does and if it’s worth the price of admission.
As you know a customer can justify any price if they believe it’s worth it. And the opposite if they don’t. A good deal is based on perspective. So what’s it gonna take to get you into this new light tech? Haha kidding. If it was a fraction of the price you’d probably buy one and that because you don’t yet see the value in it. But that’s fine. All new technology goes through this. As time goes on and more info comes out you may find the value builds while the pricing comes down. At some point value and price will match up and you’ll wonder why you waited so long. Or not. But that’s ok too.
So does it lose any intensity going from, say, the middle of the spectrum to one end of the spectrum. Like, are there two different kinds of diodes, one brightens, and one dims to change the spectrum. So both at full blast it might be 3500k, but to achieve 3000k, you have to dim one but maybe its not as intense? Does this make sense to anyone lolYeah the ability to control the spectrum is pretty cool. The controller does cost $249 so it’s not included with the fixture but you can daisy chain upto 100 fixtures together and use one controller. This is the only one of these I’m getting so I don’t know if I’ll invest in the controller or just try to make something myself. I have a feeling it’s just potentiometers wired to an Ethernet cable which would be easy to replicate if I had the pinout. I’ll contact the owner and see if he can hook me up. I hate to ask for too much though as he did give me the light and paid for shipping so I’ll wait a bit. But it would be nice to be able to turn the far reds on and off remotely and separately from the rest of the lights.
I agree the price is steep for the average consumer. It’s really meant for commercial farmers who will gain the most from its efficiency. But that doesn’t mean we can’t play with them too. It’s all about finding the best technology and sharing the results with the community. As you’ve said we’ve adopted commercial lighting technology since the beginning and this is no different. So let’s see what if anything this does and if it’s worth the price of admission.
As you know a customer can justify any price if they believe it’s worth it. And the opposite if they don’t. A good deal is based on perspective. So what’s it gonna take to get you into this new light tech? Haha kidding. If it was a fraction of the price you’d probably buy one and that because you don’t yet see the value in it. But that’s fine. All new technology goes through this. As time goes on and more info comes out you may find the value builds while the pricing comes down. At some point value and price will match up and you’ll wonder why you waited so long. Or not. But that’s ok too.
So does it lose any intensity going from, say, the middle of the spectrum to one end of the spectrum. Like, are there two different kinds of diodes, one brightens, and one dims to change the spectrum. So both at full blast it might be 3500k, but to achieve 3000k, you have to dim one but maybe its not as intense? Does this make sense to anyone lol
Interesting stuff, I got a lot to learn about lighting! :D And thanks for the reply, btwIf they're PWM I don't think they lose any intesity. What we percieve as dim is really pulses that are shorter, less frequent, or both. I think I remember reading it's by varying the current that the spectrum can be changed on some COBs. That is unless, like you are saying, these use a mix of different LEDs to create the desire color. My training was 25yrs ago so I don't know how a modern PWM controller would effect the current incarnation, and specifically, these LEDs. I think a PWM back in my day was called a digital multi vibrator (sounds kinky), and our LEDs were composed of different materials that reacted differently to current fluctuations.
Interesting stuff, I got a lot to learn about lighting! :D And thanks for the reply, btw
Smithsjunk is spot on. Great explaination bro!
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