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thank you giddeon for your time to reply..I in no way think I'm a know it all and I love to discuus things so lets talk this out...
1.Don't agree... Taller tree yes, larger yield don't think so.. 4 ft mayb 5 ft MAX depending strain with these bushs. too big = too much junk or larf i think you guys call it in the center of these bushs
ok what started me on this path was DD himeself from his old thread not the 10 plant test.
Stated that he was going to be trying different thing to increase his yeild 1 was vegging longer..
So I tried this myself and notice the stretch is diferent for smaller plants then it is for larger plants.. Not scientific,or anything just what I've been seeing from what I've been growing.. forinstance if I placed my lady's in flowering under 6' they dont hit the 8' ceiling but if I do hit the 6' marx they hit ceiling AND CURVE SOME..
but never do I see this double/triple strech EVERY1 TALKS ABOUT WHEN THERE BITCHES go into flowering around 2'..
Do you feel maybe they go thru such a strecth /bushyness cause they are so small and need to make up for all the lights/nutes?
Cause in my experience seems like when you already have them built hieght wise they seem to focus more on flowering then stretching....
Also this time around Im using a homemade phosoload/bushmaster. Recomend this to every1 even if ceiling heights is not an issue..
This product will stop height and make plants focus on nodes and early bud production..
From what I've read you can have wk 5 of flowering but only be in week 3.. cause in a 20gal smartpot and coco i get 1.5-2.5lb each and with addition of co2 and pgrs I'm shooting for 3-6..
Imho only DD's brags of 4 and now 8.. Cant find others hitting that 4 seems maybe 5' plants cant produce anymore,so what do we do? Imho go taller and double bank the lights
2.Think i cleared this one up in my last post.. and as for differnet strains, i think you should know your strains and be very comfortable with your nute pack before you incorporate them together in your system.. But you can grow a few different strains each go in these buckets, you just need to know your strains and grow the ones together that can tolerate the same nutes.. (heavy, med, or low feed).
You did state your opion on this,but I feel you didint read all my post cause 1 plant gets a 85 resivior now that You mentioned 60 was to small.
also I switch my nutes for new 1's EVERY 3.5 DAYS
also if i use the ph dosage systme you can lose the fill resivior..
Why cause your not losing ppms as fast as your losing water from perspiration,condensation,evaporation...
This is important because even though water is being removed thru these process the nutes/ ppm's are still left behind. So the r.o machine produce 1000gallon of water a day..
Were am I not keeping up with what the bitches are needing,or eating?? I would agree the ppms will be lower on day 3.5 compared to when there flushed and put in a new,but by how many 100-300 ppms???? Isnt it fair that your rdwc is losing ppms to?
Unless you add nurtes to your fill resivior,but then how do you know what ppms the plant used and is missing.YOU CANT it would still be a guess..
but maybe when DD"s system calls for a 2 x a wk flush then I'll do 3 haha again every gallon you make i make it for penny's diy nutes IS WERE IT@..
see this is why WE ALL NEED A BAD ASS DEHUMIDIFIER.. the system and the plant put of alot of this water,BUT THE NUTES/SALTS/PPM'S DON'T EVAPORATE..
SO there is a huge difference of how much water is being lost compared to what ppms the plants are eating..
Plus every reason you recirculate I gave an example how to mimic without recirculating
chillin
mixing ph ppm keeping them all same
flushing
water level
now if my are siting in same exact condition minus yours has an undercurent..
whats the diference why's your so much suppior? This is again i feel people want to drive the model t ,So we dont piss off ford...
I say fuck ford lets tweak this sytem
3. I agree with the double stack ON SOME STRAINS or mayb an overhead reflector. some strains just simply have a larger stretch so when you flip at 22"-26" (which I think should be the max height you flip no matter what strain you running in these buckets)you end up with a 5 ft+ tree.. The recon was like this so i believe double stacking definetly helped yield. As for your bigger 8ft bitch, I think thats way to big for an INDOOR plant. A 8ft tall bush would be 8 + feet wide with vertical lighting like this.. A 1k only penetrates 4ft MAX. and personally i think when your plants get as bushy as these do in this system the 1k really only penetates 2.5 to mayb 3 ft max. so again your 8 ft bush would have a rediculous amount of larf.. There is a reason these bushs are only 4ft tall.
I feel I explained this as maybe the taller they are when you put into flower the less they grow and bush. Not a fact just in my experience.. Also whats your opioin on triming some of these huge fan leaves off? maybe open up the canopy. Worse case the cheap inside buds are great for bubble hash making..
5. Ya i didnt feel comfortable with a 2x4 bar holding my res up either. Jus hate the idea of wood and water.. but theres plenty of other ways to support big trees in those res's
Why do you have to stay with those resiviors? Its sound like your left with no other choices ,but to make these work.Imho this is why I'm bring all these points out.. BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERNT AND YES MAYBE BETTER WAYS OF SKINNING THIS CAT..
These boat holding tanks are 3/8" think whats your resivior maybe an 1/8"
also they come in black like your resivior
there completely sealed unlike your resivior
the manufacture 4FREE will cut your whole drill your threads,so when you get it its done.. you still have to fully cut all your holes befor even starting install..
and your resivior is same price????
What more can I say its like getting a cadilac for price of a ford and YOUR NOT EXCITED ABOUT THAT????
6. I understand organic soil and not having to use anything from a bottle to achieve amazing results. However RDWC is a little different and those bottled chemicals really do have things dialed in to grow these trees hydroponically. With that being said anyone who knows the recipes and ratios and where I can get a fully organic pack with all the additives and boosters I need that will work in RDWC I would love to know
Dude this is the biggest lie /missuderstanding there is...
there are several recippe out there for rdwc dwc coco soil.. If you can measure out your weed how cant you then messure out salts??
Its the nute's companies joob to keep you thinking you need them. They boast of great thingthat only there products can do and then follow it up with pretty picture and name bigbud,budcandy etc..
My homemade line up
1. canna coco a,b
2. calmag +
3. carefree enzyme store bought 140 gall just like hygrozymes,but u use only .5ml/gal hydro store's zymes want you using 10/ml gal 20x more and carfree enzymes Works amazingly keeps my smart pots black.. cannazyme hygrozymes left roots white but pot were full of green/white algea
4. root mix kelp,humic,fulvic,aminoacids,endo excto myco,bacteria.trichderma, This is compareable/doing basically same thing rhizotnic,root xl, myco madness great white,pirhana ,trantuala do..
5. carbolaod, better then molaases cause its cleaner and don't bubble when aireated..
6. hammer head
7. m.o.a.b
I think the biggest failure of DD's system Since after all its for MEDICAL PATEINT BUCKETS.
Is it keeps the plant #'down but whose allowed to have 32 lb @ a time no matter what state your from,or what medical card you have...
The biggest thing my system/spinoff of his is that you can HARVEST 1 tree a week and that 2-4lb a week. Thats more like MEDICAL REQUIRMENT.. AGREED?
Also gave the way to make 2or more trees a week..
So if you go rdwc IT WORKS GREAT And is a little easier maintaince with a central resivior
BUT dwc and useing all DD"s principles I believe you stay legal,and have different strains and dont have a bucket under your feed bucket fucking with your heights,and then ALL THAT FUCKING PLUMBING...
o
1.Don't agree... Taller tree yes, larger yield don't think so.. 4 ft mayb 5 ft MAX depending strain with these bushs. too big = too much junk or larf i think you guys call it in the center of these bushs
ok what started me on this path was DD himeself from his old thread not the 10 plant test.
Stated that he was going to be trying different thing to increase his yeild 1 was vegging longer..
So I tried this myself and notice the stretch is diferent for smaller plants then it is for larger plants.. Not scientific,or anything just what I've been seeing from what I've been growing.. forinstance if I placed my lady's in flowering under 6' they dont hit the 8' ceiling but if I do hit the 6' marx they hit ceiling AND CURVE SOME..
but never do I see this double/triple strech EVERY1 TALKS ABOUT WHEN THERE BITCHES go into flowering around 2'..
Do you feel maybe they go thru such a strecth /bushyness cause they are so small and need to make up for all the lights/nutes?
Cause in my experience seems like when you already have them built hieght wise they seem to focus more on flowering then stretching....
Also this time around Im using a homemade phosoload/bushmaster. Recomend this to every1 even if ceiling heights is not an issue..
This product will stop height and make plants focus on nodes and early bud production..
From what I've read you can have wk 5 of flowering but only be in week 3.. cause in a 20gal smartpot and coco i get 1.5-2.5lb each and with addition of co2 and pgrs I'm shooting for 3-6..
Imho only DD's brags of 4 and now 8.. Cant find others hitting that 4 seems maybe 5' plants cant produce anymore,so what do we do? Imho go taller and double bank the lights
2.Think i cleared this one up in my last post.. and as for differnet strains, i think you should know your strains and be very comfortable with your nute pack before you incorporate them together in your system.. But you can grow a few different strains each go in these buckets, you just need to know your strains and grow the ones together that can tolerate the same nutes.. (heavy, med, or low feed).
You did state your opion on this,but I feel you didint read all my post cause 1 plant gets a 85 resivior now that You mentioned 60 was to small.
also I switch my nutes for new 1's EVERY 3.5 DAYS
also if i use the ph dosage systme you can lose the fill resivior..
Why cause your not losing ppms as fast as your losing water from perspiration,condensation,evaporation...
This is important because even though water is being removed thru these process the nutes/ ppm's are still left behind. So the r.o machine produce 1000gallon of water a day..
Were am I not keeping up with what the bitches are needing,or eating?? I would agree the ppms will be lower on day 3.5 compared to when there flushed and put in a new,but by how many 100-300 ppms???? Isnt it fair that your rdwc is losing ppms to?
Unless you add nurtes to your fill resivior,but then how do you know what ppms the plant used and is missing.YOU CANT it would still be a guess..
but maybe when DD"s system calls for a 2 x a wk flush then I'll do 3 haha again every gallon you make i make it for penny's diy nutes IS WERE IT@..
see this is why WE ALL NEED A BAD ASS DEHUMIDIFIER.. the system and the plant put of alot of this water,BUT THE NUTES/SALTS/PPM'S DON'T EVAPORATE..
SO there is a huge difference of how much water is being lost compared to what ppms the plants are eating..
Plus every reason you recirculate I gave an example how to mimic without recirculating
chillin
mixing ph ppm keeping them all same
flushing
water level
now if my are siting in same exact condition minus yours has an undercurent..
whats the diference why's your so much suppior? This is again i feel people want to drive the model t ,So we dont piss off ford...
I say fuck ford lets tweak this sytem
3. I agree with the double stack ON SOME STRAINS or mayb an overhead reflector. some strains just simply have a larger stretch so when you flip at 22"-26" (which I think should be the max height you flip no matter what strain you running in these buckets)you end up with a 5 ft+ tree.. The recon was like this so i believe double stacking definetly helped yield. As for your bigger 8ft bitch, I think thats way to big for an INDOOR plant. A 8ft tall bush would be 8 + feet wide with vertical lighting like this.. A 1k only penetrates 4ft MAX. and personally i think when your plants get as bushy as these do in this system the 1k really only penetates 2.5 to mayb 3 ft max. so again your 8 ft bush would have a rediculous amount of larf.. There is a reason these bushs are only 4ft tall.
I feel I explained this as maybe the taller they are when you put into flower the less they grow and bush. Not a fact just in my experience.. Also whats your opioin on triming some of these huge fan leaves off? maybe open up the canopy. Worse case the cheap inside buds are great for bubble hash making..
5. Ya i didnt feel comfortable with a 2x4 bar holding my res up either. Jus hate the idea of wood and water.. but theres plenty of other ways to support big trees in those res's
Why do you have to stay with those resiviors? Its sound like your left with no other choices ,but to make these work.Imho this is why I'm bring all these points out.. BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERNT AND YES MAYBE BETTER WAYS OF SKINNING THIS CAT..
These boat holding tanks are 3/8" think whats your resivior maybe an 1/8"
also they come in black like your resivior
there completely sealed unlike your resivior
the manufacture 4FREE will cut your whole drill your threads,so when you get it its done.. you still have to fully cut all your holes befor even starting install..
and your resivior is same price????
What more can I say its like getting a cadilac for price of a ford and YOUR NOT EXCITED ABOUT THAT????
6. I understand organic soil and not having to use anything from a bottle to achieve amazing results. However RDWC is a little different and those bottled chemicals really do have things dialed in to grow these trees hydroponically. With that being said anyone who knows the recipes and ratios and where I can get a fully organic pack with all the additives and boosters I need that will work in RDWC I would love to know
Dude this is the biggest lie /missuderstanding there is...
there are several recippe out there for rdwc dwc coco soil.. If you can measure out your weed how cant you then messure out salts??
Its the nute's companies joob to keep you thinking you need them. They boast of great thingthat only there products can do and then follow it up with pretty picture and name bigbud,budcandy etc..
My homemade line up
1. canna coco a,b
2. calmag +
3. carefree enzyme store bought 140 gall just like hygrozymes,but u use only .5ml/gal hydro store's zymes want you using 10/ml gal 20x more and carfree enzymes Works amazingly keeps my smart pots black.. cannazyme hygrozymes left roots white but pot were full of green/white algea
4. root mix kelp,humic,fulvic,aminoacids,endo excto myco,bacteria.trichderma, This is compareable/doing basically same thing rhizotnic,root xl, myco madness great white,pirhana ,trantuala do..
5. carbolaod, better then molaases cause its cleaner and don't bubble when aireated..
6. hammer head
7. m.o.a.b
I think the biggest failure of DD's system Since after all its for MEDICAL PATEINT BUCKETS.
Is it keeps the plant #'down but whose allowed to have 32 lb @ a time no matter what state your from,or what medical card you have...
The biggest thing my system/spinoff of his is that you can HARVEST 1 tree a week and that 2-4lb a week. Thats more like MEDICAL REQUIRMENT.. AGREED?
Also gave the way to make 2or more trees a week..
So if you go rdwc IT WORKS GREAT And is a little easier maintaince with a central resivior
BUT dwc and useing all DD"s principles I believe you stay legal,and have different strains and dont have a bucket under your feed bucket fucking with your heights,and then ALL THAT FUCKING PLUMBING...
o