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Ok....easy there ttys! Let's keep it friendly in here. We all have our own opinions on things. I can see where masta doesn't like all the plumbing involved. While I am not a plumber.....I have learned enough over the last 4 years to where I feel comfortable setting something like this up.
I think I am sold on the benefits of chilling. The biggest point for me is one unit will cool three rooms.
I think instead of bringing my 5ton chiller inside during the winter....I will hook up a radiator with a fan coming from the return line before it goes back to the chiller, sort of like what woodsmaneh has done. This will not only heat up my living space, but it should remove heat from the water before it goes back to the chiller....making things even more efficient. I would DIY the rooms like woods has done.....but I like the fact that the air handlers dehumidify as well.
Neither Woodsman nor I heat our homes the way you suggest, because a chiller ejects heat from its radiator, which is part of the unit. The radiator you see Woods using is for cooling his growroom.
But in theory this is totally possible correct? Since the return line water is hot, if I have it going through a radiator with a fan behind it, it should produce heat...and cool down the water returning to the chiller.
for the record ~ if I was building out home setups I would totally rock a chiller/handler combo, maybe even just the 8in iceboxes modified to catch condensation, so I could run only one per 2000W with colder water to take advantage of the dehumidification. For less than 8,000K it without a doubt seems more than worth it, especially if you're living in the space. But for anything more, I see the initial overhead being too much to cover energy savings costs, especially since you're fairly limited on what chillers fit indoors once you get past 2 tons. Plus, if you live in a cold environment, and can't run a flip or bring your chiller indoors in the winter, you have to figure out how to heat your room during lights out, and in either of those situations it's a lot to think both about and pay for.
Are you seriously going to think that bending up yards of big sheet metal ducting is going to be cheaper or better than hoses full of cold water?
I never said that...but now that I think of it, yes. It will without a doubt be cheaper, seeing as how I wouldn't use hoses, I'd actually do it right and use galvanized piping. Oh yeah, I forgot I have to insulate all of that too. And neither ducting or running water lines is really the issue - the issue is, what do you do when it's -17 outside? Run a flip and exhaust your rooms into eachother? Install propane heaters in each room? should I just bring all 18 10 ton chillers off the roof and throw them inside?
I never said that...but now that I think of it, yes. It will without a doubt be cheaper, seeing as how I wouldn't use hoses, I'd actually do it right and use galvanized piping. Oh yeah, I forgot I have to insulate all of that too. And neither ducting or running water lines is really the issue - the issue is, what do you do when it's -17 outside? Run a flip and exhaust your rooms into eachother? Install propane heaters in each room? should I just bring all 18 10 ton chillers off the roof and throw them inside?
For those who can't bring there chillers inside you just build a capture box in front of the chiller with a fan and blow the hot exhaust air back into your home. Dam weed smokers can solve any problem, just give them enough to smoke lol....
That's what I was planning. See post #40. ttys said that it wouldn't work though.....that the temps on the return would only be a few degrees warmer than the incoming water.
No personal attacks but tty your posts make me wanna pull my hair out.
You can type shit on forums all you want but I'm not gunna listen to any of it unless you stop sounding like a condescending douche
No personal attacks though
boy you watercooler guys are a serious bunch :eek: and yes I read all 3 pages of this.some folks just are not ok with all that water in a room full of live power running everywhere.i thought about chilling and my #1 concern was/is a water line break when im gone.i leave my op a lot and my overhead a/c lets me sleep at night.what about a grow like mine where you cant bring it inside?my grow is above ground and not part of my house. im in the market for a newer setup as I have expanded beyond the capabilities of my old unit,and what really appeals to me right now is the new style mini splits that do it all.heat/cool/dehumid.one thing you guys overlook on the new mini splits is portability.these new units are small,and a lot come with quick connect linesets so you DONT need help installing them from a hvac guy.im also in the lucky ones crowd,one of my patients is my hvac guy:)
No, I said the water in the return from cooling rooms will only be a few degrees warmer than the cold supply. Woods is not suggesting you use that at all- he's talking about building ductwork to capture the hot air being blown through the back of the compressor section of the chiller.
This will work, but it will create extremely dry conditions inside your home. Static shock to light your grow op, craziness...
boy you watercooler guys are a serious bunch :eek: and yes I read all 3 pages of this.some folks just are not ok with all that water in a room full of live power running everywhere.i thought about chilling and my #1 concern was/is a water line break when im gone.i leave my op a lot and my overhead a/c lets me sleep at night.what about a grow like mine where you cant bring it inside?my grow is above ground and not part of my house. im in the market for a newer setup as I have expanded beyond the capabilities of my old unit,and what really appeals to me right now is the new style mini splits that do it all.heat/cool/dehumid.one thing you guys overlook on the new mini splits is portability.these new units are small,and a lot come with quick connect linesets so you DONT need help installing them from a hvac guy.im also in the lucky ones crowd,one of my patients is my hvac guy:)
One disadvantage to water cooling is that it tends to be a more permanent installation in a facility than most renters/lessees are comfortable with.
Have a humidifier on the main furnace, but your right about the static. I think there is a video on youtube with some guys making oil with alcohol and a static spark sets his moms kitchen on fire.
I line my rooms with EDPM, pond liner. I do the math to see how high up the wall I need to go and put it in, just like a swimming pool. All my electricity is 5 feet from the floor and I have gfi protection on everything. I have no electrical devices on the floor except pumps which are water proof. All most all my electrical is outside in big dog houses, I do this as it all generates heat and I don't need it in the rooms. I have never had a hose failure, we don't deal with high pressure and use good quality products. I had a pod crack and dump 170 gal in a room, only had to happen once, now the edpm catches everything and is very strong. Been walking and dirt and water growing in it for 9 years.
Yes us water guys are serious, but cool. We all get grumpy once in a while.
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