Girl Scout Cookies & Friends

[ChalkyWhite]

Forum cut does have some down falls she can give cookie crumb buds so watch out..

Goo you think that's due to stress or? I've read that she doesn't like intense light and the nugs on the corner of rooms are usually biggest.

 

[MakinGoo]

Goo you think that's due to stress or? I've read that she doesn't like intense light and the nugs on the corner of rooms are usually biggest.

I think its hot nutes...she is a picky strain & if not fully happy she will grow tiny.. she dont need lots of light 2 grow>>> she does good in a corner

 

[ChalkyWhite]

I think its hot nutes...she is a picky strain & if not fully happy she will grow tiny.. she dont need lots of light 2 grow>>> she does good in a corner

Gotcha GOO Thanks for the heads up and the info

 

[Camdawg]

Can anyone point me towards a thread regarding Duds?

 

[Aladeen OG]

im pretty sure the stuff that was going around in CO was a form of fusarium... or a really similar systemic that will come out when you either give heavy bloom or lack off the veg nutes..... there is a cure for everything just gotta find it. caps bennies weekly kept me from getting any duds when i tested it out a couple months back.... definitely a little more science involved than my brain can handle these days..... lol... just keep it lab clean, like a girl w herpes doesnt matter if its jessica alba, scope that shit out LOL! ive turned down many a cut in my day even though i wanted it badly. what hurts worse is when say you and a couple buddies are all on the hunt for a cut and the dude with the mites finds it first.... like, FUCK, guess im never getting that one.... haha

 

[delae632]

Can anyone point me towards a thread regarding Duds?

I don't think there's one on here yet. I may start one at some point but not until I get some branches lab tested and figure out how to beat it. Until me or someone else does that then all we have are peoples opinions, and we all know how that goes. lol

When I take cuts now I use a brand new scalpel for each mother. I'm hoping this will help curb the spread of whatever it is. Also, I put one of every mother I have outdoors for the summer in hopes that the sun will cook out any funky shit, with the added bonus of restoring some vigor in some of these tired old ladies.

I personally think it's a virus or fungus but only time (and science) will tell.

 

[Mike Hawk]

I think its hot nutes...she is a picky strain & if not fully happy she will grow tiny.. she dont need lots of light 2 grow>>> she does good in a corner

Do you think she would do better under a 600 than a 1000w?

 

[grower4life]

What up MakinGoo that dud shit ur talking about, that's crazy cause I've been fighting that issue off and on, I thought it was my skills to, not to have a big head but I've been growing for the last 15 years so I'm for sure not wet behind the ears, I saw it happen about a year ago and it still happens hear and there. Kinda crazy cause it will some times only infect 2or 3 branches on a flowering plant and the rest of the plant will b fire. I've seen it due a hole crop before, no smell at all and super light on weight and looks almost premy, what's crazy is it comes fr the moms once they get some age to them , I can tell its Gona due by the way shoots look that I would take for cuts, I've tagged a few of them from cut that had the look and was rite on point, once it became a teens it looks like a totally different plant than all the rest , ( short squat toy weird spacing on internodes and grows more horizontally than vertical. Anyways is this the prob everybody else is seeing, I don't wana say it but some testing has been done and I'm pretty sure I no the virus. There's a huge wrote up going on rite now on a close friend of mine that unknowingly got it and gave it.

And I don't except cut from just anybody nor have ever picked up from club due to them and there issues,

 

[MakinGoo]

Do you think she would do better under a 600 than a 1000w?

Ive only used 1000 watts so I dont know.. people like baba g have flowered under both 6 & 1000 he would know best. .

 

[jessejames12345]

Do you think she would do better under a 600 than a 1000w?

I think Goo and Baba have mentioned a few times that GSC like to be away from the lights .. i think in general, we could all afford to pull our lights up a bit with these high resin, lo yield strains .

If your growing some super yield commercial strain , blast them with light , but these connoisseur strains seem to all do better under less light ... Probably a heat thing .

 

[MakinGoo]

What up MakinGoo that dud shit ur talking about, that's crazy cause I've been fighting that issue off and on, I thought it was my skills to, not to have a big head but I've been growing for the last 15 years so I'm for sure not wet behind the ears, I saw it happen about a year ago and it still happens hear and there. Kinda crazy cause it will some times only infect 2or 3 branches on a flowering plant and the rest of the plant will b fire. I've seen it due a hole crop before, no smell at all and super light on weight and looks almost premy, what's crazy is it comes fr the moms once they get some age to them , I can tell its Gona due by the way shoots look that I would take for cuts, I've tagged a few of them from cut that had the look and was rite on point, once it became a teens it looks like a totally different plant than all the rest , ( short squat toy weird spacing on internodes and grows more horizontally than vertical. Anyways is this the prob everybody else is seeing, I don't wana say it but some testing has been done and I'm pretty sure I no the virus. There's a huge wrote up going on rite now on a close friend of mine that unknowingly got it and gave it.

And I don't except cut from just anybody nor have ever picked up from club due to them and there issues,

That sound like dud action 2 me... but ive had a few duds but I dont keep mothers I always clone from a clone from a clone... I when I get a dud its always the whole plant... but ive heard lots of people only got a dud branch... thats some crazy shit..

what is the virus u think it is?

 

[jessejames12345]

That sound like dud action 2 me... but ive had a few duds but I dont keep mothers I always clone from a clone from a clone... I when I get a dud its always the whole plant... but ive heard lots of people only got a dud branch... thats some crazy shit..

what is the virus u think it is?

I've read a lot about Broad mite toxins causing the dudism . I experienced it first hand . Had a killer cut of OG , (HA cut , for what its worth) and the old XXX cut for a while and they ran great . brought in some new cuts , didn't quarantine , and the next run came out with deficiencies that ended up being broad mites from the new cuts.

all the cuts from the HA mom were duds , ( only re ran 1 generation after that , still dud, still having strange nute problems = ruined )

the XXX bounced back OK , after 2 generations of re cloning , Im able to run her again . 1st re run was trichome lacking , 2nd started to come around , and i'm comfortable running a tent of her again .

broadmites are evil evil ..

 

[grower4life]

Sorry I don't mean to run in circles, its been a min since ive talked about it so I first saw it when I got cuts from a different very good friend of mine and he pretty much only delt with seeds for the last 3 or 4 years so if he got infected it was before that. SO he gave me 2 cuts from a seed mom (gona make a long story short) and I noticed that when they hit teen they like really different and he said that they were both from same mom, so I took cuts of both thinking nothing of it. When done with flowering I had a bunch mixed in that had this issue ( the hole plant was crap) so the next round I took way less off the funny looking and marked them and sure enough they were crap when done again. So I had heard of issues of lock out probs on moms if kept in coco for to long and this lock out would change the dna of make up of the plant genetics and either P or K would be missing. So I started new moms in soil like I used to before using coco (of course using cuts from good mom and shit canned funky mom) this really helped the issue it was cut down to just a sperattic runt plant hear and there and more so the branch or 2 thing. It seems to happen as the mom gets old and really effects the hybrid more especially OGs which already act like lil bitches if u don't pamper them. also this virues affects ur yields even if the plant looks super healthy.

OK now to the other buddy that I originally talked about he was have major issues with the plants large fan leaves twisting and gnarling (AND NO IT WAS NOT BROAD MITES FOR ALL YOU PEEPS OUT THERE THAT GO RITE TO BMITE ISSUE) The top flowers wouldn't fill in but the lowers would and he saw a major lack of yield (he got dam near 2 decades under his belt also). I was on the outside of the box looking in trying to help diagnose the issue with a change some where on every crop there after trying to narrow down the issue. ( I was just starting to see my issues at this point but way different than his) So I finally told him its time to send in samples to a lab and find out what the fuk the deal is.
I also changed back to soil from coco even on all my flowering rooms because my shit was banging like before I ever switched to coco and this also cut the viruse issue or genetics fuk up way down to like maye one plant with a branch or to which I can live with and I basically figured it had to be something with hybrids being finky lil bitches.

So my buddy dumps his entire grow (thinking the issue is in the water or the area he is growing in)( maybe chemicals leaching outa cement from prier tent or leach outa walls or some crazy shit) and gets new spot and new moms from some one that hasn't seen this issue at all, and sure as shit its ugly head pops up again so off to a local lab he goes.

There is a write up that's gona hit our industry (not sure where and when but this was the first case that a person has brought to them and has been discovered in this industry, which the research started 2 or 3 months ago so its in the works. And now I see other peeps are dealing with what is beening called the DUDS.
(some of the same issue)
I tried to ask around on a few forums but of course theres those F ing Dik Head HATERS that got no prob tell other peeps they suck and there the prob not the plant which made me laugh cause most of them where doing 1 or 2 hole 1000 watts lights and been doing for a wopping 2 to 3 years lol ( sorry to rant and rave and also I do not want to offend any one out there, Im the most humble person and allways have an open ear and wana help, we all had to crawl before we got to walk)
I gave up asking and continued trying to figure out the prob. Also with that being said theres a whole lota skeptic's (HATERS) out there and I don't wana hear any shit for saying this cause as soon as the article comes out ill post it on here or figure out a link to it and I can dam near bet that a bunch a peeps with theses weird issues (DUDS) are gona get there shit tested and that's gona be the ugly headed issue.

This is known as the tobacco mosaic virus and effects different strains in different ways, some real bad and some you really don't no you have it. Its already documented in out door tomato grows and other vegetables. This virus followed him because it can be transferred by touch on door knobs card board boxes etc.

So with all that being said I have sent some samples into the same lab and am waiting to hear if that truly is my case also.


LOL was trying to make a long story short I don't think that's the case

 

[grower4life]

What up jesse I my self haven't had broad mites (knock on wood) but have seen them fuk some crops up and with a lil inspecting was able to find those lil fukers and yes they were the issues in that case, these issues differ a lot from those.

Evil Evil lil shits they r lol

 

[ChalkyWhite]

Can you detail this as I have several sour dub s1 and s2's going in my room and it appears to have dudded out ? details on duding out please as this has never happened to me and i'm getting freeking nervous here , as OYY said i'm question my skills now and this shit is gonna set me back any help greatly appreciated

edit , the plants just seem to not be budding properly this run , even past plants that were massive producers and 1 of the sour dub s2 is on day 45 with little hairs , not even enough to call buds and a strange ass twisty growth kicking out 1's and 2's

I can only speak to the gg4 LA cup clone duds because it's the only dud I've ever had in my room smallish fans , branches that break off with little resistance,very slow growth little frost ....duds ....we need a dud thread here because it is real. What I don't like is nobody seems to know what it is. Is it a virus? Is it BM toxins? People have reported seeing it passed on through generations from seed it's almost mythical because nobody knows what's true or false..one things for sure whatever it is its HIV for your garden if it really does spread the way guys are talking at IC I didn't chance it with the cup cuts they had to go. I believe poster greyskull made or passed the sour dubb he's reported seeing it dudd. It's interesting because the guys room the la cup cuts came from had bms 4 months before the cup (wish I knew that before hand) I found it In his post history in the IC BM thread the other day so there may be a link and a lot of guys got their sour dubb from progressive options a known source for bms back in the day here in so cal.

 

[grower4life]

What up Chalkywhite, First im so glad to be a part of this forum and its showing me more and more why I jumped ship from the others. Real people like yourself that can have discussions like adults'! Thank You for your input. I didn't want to say much about the hole seed thing cause I didn't wana start any shit but yes the virus can be transmitted through seeds from the parents. when I found out the results and that it can b transed through seeds it became apparent to me that like u said its like HIV and only the strong survive.
The one thing I for sure noticed is if u r working with a strain that show these signs u have to be extra on top of ur game or it will hurt you bad!

 

[soserthc1]

I can only speak to the gg4 LA cup clone duds because it's the only dud I've ever had in my room smallish fans , branches that break off with little resistance,very slow growth little frost ....duds ....we need a dud thread here because it is real. What I don't like is nobody seems to know what it is. Is it a virus? Is it BM toxins? People have reported seeing it passed on through generations from seed it's almost mythical because nobody knows what's true or false..one things for sure whatever it is its HIV for your garden if it really does spread the way guys are talking at IC I didn't chance it with the cup cuts they had to go. I believe poster greyskull made or passed the sour dubb he's reported seeing it dudd. It's interesting because the guys room the la cup cuts came from had bms 4 months before the cup (wish I knew that before hand) I found it In his post history in the IC BM thread the other day so there may be a link and a lot of guys got their sour dubb from progressive options a known source for bms back in the day here in so cal.

Greyskull found the sour dub and is a very accomplished and well respected grower and this has me real interested as i assumed it was cuts i acquired without quarantine as i noticed small mites which i quickly hit hard with nute pack and don't see them anymore. I do have a ARC s1 sour dub leaner and two s2's in the room and one is barley growing buds and has twisty leaves on top - the other 2 appear fine but a proven cut that produced 4 zips of dank in 63 days last run is on day 44 with little to no buds anyone have anymore info on this sour dub stuff , should i go cut them bitches ......

ps we should prob take this to its own thread as i don't wanna disrail but i'm well you know how it is burning electric and not growing fruits .... i'll win this thou .....

 

[ChalkyWhite]

Yeah greyskull kind of laced up my tennis shoes back in 09 on IC ....really respected I respect him a lot he could have kept quite when a lot of the glue crew aka the heavy hitters at IC said duds didn't exist once him and a few others spoke up they could no longer deny.

 

[grower4life]

Yes I agree lets get a thread going about this so other subjects don't get derailed.

 

[Mike Hawk]

Man, almost out of cookies to smoke :(