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Norcal Outdoor Garden Of Eden

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#121
Bulldog11 said:
When flower starts, do you continue to apply DE?
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Good question
I don't plan to. No
like I said I don't like having all that white stuff all my plants
I definitely don't want it on my flowers.
right now the stems and leaves are coated pretty good and I don't mind that but I think most of it will wash off eventually because I spray twice a week, oils, conserve and caps bio war :)
 
#122
Yea when I battled root aphids, that gave me the willies. picking up a handful of soil and literally watching it squirm, or when watering seeing the little ones floating. After resetting my GF and I found the flyers for weeks in the corners, and in the sink, and toliet. was a nightmare.
 
#123
Ok, the nuclear war has subsided. I am mite free for the moment, we will see how long it lasts. Thank you everybody that helped with my mite problem, especially Blaze and NCGA.

I have a new problem that my growth has started back up......I think they might outgrow my greenhouse. I am already having to bend some plants away from the plastic, and I burnt one top off because it was hitting the plastic.
 
#124
Glad to hear the mites are in check, it's always scary seeing your garden get eaten alive by those little fuckers. Don't forget to follow up with preventatives now! Since they are apparently native to your area they will almost certainly come back if given the change.

You might consider just topping plants that get too high in the greenhouse. I used to be hesitant to do it myself, but burned tops always go to crap anyway, better to just get them out of there and let the buds below the cut fill in in my opinion. Sometime in the next week or two I'll be topping several of my full season plants to make sure I can cover them properly in the fall. We might get one heck of a wet fall and winter this year due to the building El Nino event in the Pacific, best to be prepared for wet weather.
 
#125
I can already feel the change in weather. Been a very mild August in these parts, with higher than normal levels of humidity. I was just talking to my family member who has been here all his life, and he talks about the September rain. He says in these parts they always get rain in September, but if you get an early rain in late August/early September then a wet winter is on it's way. I only have a couple plants outdoors, so I say bring on the rain. Cali can use it.

I am worried that the broad mites are indigenous, and like you said, they will be back. I treated all 3+ acres of my property, saying back 50 ft from the house and property lines. Over the fall I am going to put together a IPM program with as many different class miticides as I can find. I plan a winter seed run in both greenhouses, and really don't want to overuse any pesticides and make resistant bugs.

Once I have my IPM program, I will send it to you and NCGA to see what you guys think. You have a program like that?
 
#126
I'm very pleased to read this! Like I told you, these men bear an amazing wealth of knowledge and information.

Would you be able to simply start applying something like DE around the perimeter of the house? I can't recall if it's effective at all for BMs of if it's really better for RMs.

As for your overgrown girls, what if you just tied them over towards the middle of the GH, where the roof is taller? Or, just tie them all the way over, maybe?
 
#127
That is what I am trying to do with my tall plants. I am bending them to the peak of the greenhouse. If they stretch too much longer, I might have an issue. I might go with what both you and blaze are saying. I might cut off the tallest tops now, and start bending over everything else.

You for sure told me about the amazing wealth of knowledge those two hold, and I am happy to say I soaked in every bit on information they gave me. It has sent me in a new direction with gardening.

The DE I found a great source at my local feed supply. Food grade, and comes in 5-50 pound sacks for cheap. I bought a 5 lb pack, and applied it to all my indoor genetics. I am also thinking of buying the 50 lb bag and making a DE/sand box in front of both greenhouses. This will act as a way to kill the bugs I may carry from the rest of the property. Then any left over I will toss around the house and heavy walkways. I also have pool grade de, that I was thinking of using in areas that don't have plants, aka walkways.

So far I have used Neem oil, JMS stylet oil, Spinosad, Azamax, and three other chemical products. Spent over a grand. Spent over 100 hours spraying......Jesh I hope this is in the past.


What should I be using as a preventive spray for the mites? I was thinking Azamax wouldn't be a bad idea through mid Sept. Guy from the hydro shop had broad mites and supposedly beat them with Safer Pyrethrin & Insecticidal Soap II. This product shouldn't be used more than 10 times a year, and no less than 3 day intervals. However, can it be used in flower? I would think the Pyrethrin makes that a no, no. However I am new to this chemical game, and learning how safe they can be when used property, with the correct PPE. My wife now calls me Walter White or Heisenberg because I come up in my yellow chemical suit, chemical gloves, and face mask with respirator. I really hate bugs!
 
#128
Bulldog11 said:
Over the fall I am going to put together a IPM program with as many different class miticides as I can find. I plan a winter seed run in both greenhouses, and really don't want to overuse any pesticides and make resistant bugs.

Once I have my IPM program, I will send it to you and NCGA to see what you guys think. You have a program like that?
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I've been working on something similar. I would certainly be curious to see what you come up with. Reducing or eliminating non-organic pesticide use would be the end goal. I have not had to use anything that was not organic in my outdoor or greenhouse in a long time, but I always seem to have to battle them in my mother room at least once or twice a year and it is always a real pain.

Bulldog11 said:
I am also thinking of buying the 50 lb bag and making a DE/sand box in front of both greenhouses. This will act as a way to kill the bugs I may carry from the rest of the property.
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This is an interesting idea! I wonder how well it would work on my mother room. I have been trying to think up a good way to keep my shoes and feet clean after going in there, other than always having to change or clean the bottoms of my shoes every time. Since as I mentioned before, that is still a 'problem spot' for me, I always do whatever work I have to do in there at the very end of the day and then shower and change my clothes so I do not spread pests to the rest of the ranch.

Luckily I do not have native broad mites, but the two spotted and pacific mites are gaining a native food-hold here I think. I used to never, ever see them or get them but over the last few years they have just 'shown up' in my mother room unexpectedly, even when no new plants were brought in, etc. I am thinking a constant and continual preventative IPM program is going to be a must from now on.
 
#129
We should probably get together this winter to go over some ideas I have. As we move towards legalization different methods for sure will be needed. I have been working on some ideas. But it will for sure move it into the realm of needing more scientific equipment.

Here is some information that might help and explains why I have few problems with my indoor which I shut down in June ( lights out)

http://www.naturescontrol.com/spidermitedormancy.html
 
#130
Glad to hear you have them knocked back. Keep up the preventive and should help keep them controlled. the thing i wonder about to...there are permits being issued now for LARGE scale hemp farms(thousand of acres each). How will we keep hemp pollen outta our outdoor grows?
 
#131
Yup! It'll require a GH with some heavy air filtration going on, I think.

@Bulldog11 -- the pool grade DE has no place in our gardens, unless it's being used to filter (polish, really) water. I have a huge box in my shed, made the mistake years ago.
 
#132
@papapayne Save the broad mites for the hemp farmers?

@ncga I would love to get together over the winter. Chat about cannabis.


@Blaze Glad to hear you have been able to stay organic for the most part outdoors. I would love to not spray chemicals, but this year was a must.

What preventives are you guys using for PM and mites for the rest of the year? I have a gallon of Spinosad, and some more JMS sylet oil I was thinking of using. Also another dose or two of azamax left over as well. I was thinking the Azamax and sylet oil could be used through August, azamax into early Sept. Then the Spinosad for the rest of the way. The JMS will help with PM, but I don't really spray for pm. Usually I don't have a problem, but curious what others are using.

@Seamaiden Can the pool DE be used effectively in surrounding garden areas? Commonly walked areas, but not in the garden? Not on plants? Thanks for the heads up.
 
#133
I use neem, spino, green cure, and BT. Something gets sprayed every weekend. bt and green cure 3 weeks apart, then alternating every other weekend either neem or spino.
 
#134
BullDog

We have been known to have a well hosted weekend or two a year... I will leave that to others to PM's . We will for sure . So much to talk about
 
#135
Sweet greenhouse(s)!
I had to throw in my 2 cents when reading anything about a fellow farmer having to deal with the "Borg" (I consider RM+BM). Were having some good success with micronized sulfur, as far as instant destruction. Koppert biological systems Swirski-Mites but you'll need to let dust settle, as far as treatments (sulfur/mitescides) you've been using, before releasing mites.
The only solution, in my mind for these demons is preventative. Indoors you scratch the project spray with bleach. Outdoors wtf...they've taken over Cali! The predatory method is only idea I can come up with that may allow us to live in peace once again. However Swirskis are worthless, imo, if used to treat infestation. They need to be used as our post apocalyptic buddies.
Here's my earlier rant and my current battle strategy created for our local Borg dillimma: https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/posts/1505458/
Goodluck and don't become complacent if there is not something on your plants fighting/defending you are vulnerable in NorCal
P.s. Don't forget these fkrs get 100x worse in bloom
 
#136
Bulldog11 said:
@Seamaiden Can the pool DE be used effectively in surrounding garden areas? Commonly walked areas, but not in the garden? Not on plants? Thanks for the heads up.
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When it gets wet, it turns to a heavy sludge. I'm sure you can spread it around, but you'll probably want to really incorporate it into the soil. That's what I've been doing with mine, little bit by little bit, because it does turn so sludgy I'm careful with it. When the sludge dries, it turns into a cake that water cannot penetrate.

In my discussions with a friend who does extracts, it turns out that neem is dreaded, hated even, because he told me it's almost impossible to get it separated from the extraction.
 
#137
Bulldog11 said:
What preventives are you guys using for PM and mites for the rest of the year?
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Met 52 EC foliar and granular plus DE for bugs, and Regalia for fungus. I've also used Sonata and Serenade for PM as well in the past. Also have some Azamax and Stylet oil on hand, and it is finally cooling off enough I can start using the Stylet. I like to use the stylet as a sticky for foliar feed since it works well as a preventative and the Azamax if I see a potential big problem starting. I always keep some Oxidate on had too during flower for spot treating mold.
 
#140
Sprayed regalia like a mofo last year when the rains came late season. Not a single burn and and not a hint of botrytis (except where a caterpillar snuck in)

ordered from Johnny's Seeds

I've heard of micronized sulfur doing the trick for broad mites. Haven't run into them myself yet (knock on wood), but sulfur seems like an inexpensive remedy
 
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