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Are you talking about 1000 actual draw power of LED or just a 1000w ? This is why consumers need to educate themselves before buying and companies should be a bit more clear About what there selling. My 400w panel allegedly replaces 400w HID but that's a far stretch.

I think there's truth to what's he's saying too, I have two 400w led panels, actual draw about 360 watts but if I go by what they sell them as, I have 800w worth of LED. I still have to air cool the tent and no way will both of these panels out perform a 400w HPS So what's the point and where is the efficiency ?. I really don't think I'm saving anything. Let's say I use 50w less on the lighting , 350w draw with LED versus 400w hps, the loss in yield from LED doesn't equal out in energy costs because I still have to use most of the same environmental controls as HID plus my yield is way less. if they ran super cool and didnt need to control heat, I could see the point.
Exactlly my point and how you understood it is right i am not bashing mars at all actually out of all them least there on the consumers side being prices are not going to make me eat macaroni and cheese for next 2 months after purchase but many LED companies CLAIM that there 245 actual draw wattage LED replaces a 600 what Hid
and the problem is in reality there is no god dam way it could
or lets put it this way i did 76 plant grow 2000 watt hid YIELD just under 8 pounds dry 2 1000's umbrella open ended fresh winter air in exhaust out passive this room was 13.5 x 18 x 8 feet high mylar all around trust me bright as hell
so now i am looking for a led unit actually 2 of them to replace my 2000 watt hid sure enough i see who ever spider led , or kind led how ever you mention them claiming there actual 470 watt draw unit replaces 1000 hid ...
OK lets say i buy them they land here open them up and think wow these fucking small things are going to cover 13.5 feet x 18 feet room not a fucking chance but they will say it will cover 5.5 x 5.5 lets say but truth is that is to much already and plants growing on out skirts are stretched like some basketball player lol catch my drift so
that is what i am getting at in reality and yes 76 plants vegged 5 weeks 2 k in a dialed room made me 8 pounds dry you know what i bet i would need 8 - 10 o led 1000 hid so called replacement lights and still not get anywhere close to 8 pounds
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I'm always talking actual power on the LEDs. Take away 5-12% for driver losses, depending on the driver used and 5% max for cooling the unit. Or add to those 1000W. And I'm talking Cree CXB series. And I'm not calling aluminum MCPCBs, and silicon thermal grease thermal management.

What were those units you're using?

I have the Mars2 400w panels. Each panel is in the 160-180w range actual draw so I just rounded to 350w actual draw. If these things ran very cool I could see the benefit but if I have to use climate controls and sacrifice yield I don't see the point.
 
I am going to buy this pro cree 256 what ever just for the sake and really try it out alhough i know it will not stack up to nanolux 1215 watt grows but it might be a good veg starter or suplimental light but still i am really liking it although price is way day hell up there ..
 
East coast could you imagine the cost of a true 1000 watt LED unit ???? I wonder why they have not made one yet wait i know i know it would probably blow up fail miserably be totally inefficient clocking / flip flopping would be out of wack being to far of a line to travel shit list goes on there must be a reason why there isnt actual 1000 watt draw LED for sale today even Diy problem is heat sink Failure
See many do not realize all electronics do not have solder on them anymore its illegal and will not pass LEAD etc
so now they use other weaker forms which under load , or excessive heat FAILS
 
For a 1000W unit you need 5 200W drivers ( thoose are the only ones on the market that do their job right), 40 Cree CXB3590 soldered directly to active cooled copper core heatsinks with quality fans, having air sucked over those drivers and heatsinks in an enclosure with 6" flange on the top for exhaust either through filter or through central ventilation.

Now do the math and you'll see that you have about $1000 in parts if your doing it for your self. Probably 25% less if you're manufacturer and your buying bulk.

How much can you charge for it and still sell it?
 
So even toaster if a person does that and lens angle or what ever there poses a problem it still will not really cover 5 x 5 area or will it i mean you make it big but you need to space out the led units you use 180 lenses that again might give you area but weaker area as lines are angled further apart you go 90 degree you lose coverage
you mention 1000 bucks and hope she sticks together you have 0 warranty if something blows your out money you purchase a true 1000 watt draw unit dam i would bet its 2500.00 plus but again good for so many plants just saying and lets not forget HEAT is that not one of the selling features of going led is the heat
Well looking back couple pages on here appears many are having heat issues with LED imagine 1000 watt DRaw led unit the heat coming off that bad boy ?????
so lets not forget couple hundred bucks on exhaust where does it end so in theory a person at the end gets it all up n running 1000 watt exhausted etc for 1500,00 DIY or 3000 store bought if you can find one .....
Does savings equate to being worth it i mean run at 110 or 220 your drawing 1000 watts no different then 1000 watt hid so power costs are the same as power draw goes up eff goes down hmm what led is all about right EFF
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Now a Hid grower decides for 1500 i will buy 3 nanolux so 3 x 1215 watts 1200 bucks and 300 on exhaust fan
what will yield better ???
 
Led is the future, they will tweak and fine tune it over the next few years to where it blows anything else out of the water. For those of us that are lucky enough to already have this fairly new technology, well I guess we will just have to whine and complain and rant and rave like a spoiled rotten little kid that gets the ps3 for Christmas instead of the ps4. It's not what I wanted, I wanted my light to shoot rainbows and make unicorns dance on magical light beams so now I am gonna call you all out on forums because there was pictures of unicorns dancing on rainbows on your website and it didnt come with them, thats false advertising. Thats it I'm holding my breath
 
Led is the future, they will tweak and fine tune it over the next few years to where it blows anything else out of the water. For those of us that are lucky enough to already have this fairly new technology, well I guess we will just have to whine and complain and rant and rave like a spoiled rotten little kid that gets the ps3 for Christmas instead of the ps4. It's not what I wanted, I wanted my light to shoot rainbows and make unicorns dance on magical light beams so now I am gonna call you all out on forums because there was pictures of unicorns dancing on rainbows on your website and it didnt come with them, thats false advertising. Thats it I'm holding my breath

At the end of the day it any company claiming there light is superior or replaces hid it better do so as consumers there are laws in place or this
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Lights of America, Inc. has overstated the light output and life expectancy of its LED lamps on packages and in marketing materials, according to a complaint filed by the Federal Trade Commission.
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The US-based Federal Trade Commission has filed a complaint against Lights of America, Inc., a California-based light-bulb manufacturer, and its principals to stop them from misleading consumers by exaggerating the light output and life expectancy of its LED bulbs.
As part of the FTC’s continuing work to stop deceptive advertising, the agency filed a complaint charging that since 2008, Lights of America, Inc. has overstated the light output and life expectancy of its LED bulbs on packages and in brochures. The agency also charges that Lights of America misled consumers about how the brightness of its LED bulbs compares to traditional incandescent lights.

At this year's Strategies in Light conference FTC's Hampton Newsome spoke about the FTC's activities to protect consumers against claims of false advertising. As part of this activity, the FTC will soon introduce lamp labels that emphasize lumens, not watts for all lamp types including LEDs.

The FTC alleges that in many instances, Lights of America’s LED bulbs produced significantly less light, as measured in lumens, than the company claimed in its promotional materials. For example, one bulb was promoted as producing 90 lm, but Lights of America’s own tests showed it produced only 43 lm.

Also, in many cases, Lights of America deceptively compared the brightness of its LED light bulbs with incandescent bulbs, the FTC alleges. For example, the firm claimed that one of its LED lantern bulbs could replace a 40-watt incandescent bulb. However, while the typical 40-watt incandescent bulb produces about 400 lm, the Lights of America LED bulb produced only 74 lm.

Moreover, the FTC complaint states that in many instances, Lights of America’s LED bulbs would not last as long as the company’s promotional materials said they would. In one case, for example, the firm said that one of its LED recessed bulbs would last 30,000 hours. Independent tests, however, showed that the bulb would not last as long as claimed because it lost 80 percent of its light output after only 1,000 hours.

The FTC complaint was filed in the US District Court for the Central District of California on September 7, 2010 against Lights of America, Inc., as well as principals Usman Vakil and Farooq Vakil. The FTC points out that the complaint is not a finding or ruling that the defendants have actually violated the la
 
Who grows weed with led bulbs? COB will make hid and hps obsolete in the next few years. Like anything new it is not as good when it first comes out and it is very expensive. After a few years of trial and error companies will tweak the designs and drop the price. Cob technology is able to emit what ever wavelength of light they chose to add to the board and even put in infra red light that you can not see. After they work out all the bugs I will buy another led and I may get another one before then because they work great imo.
 
lol Good luck on that i think in a few years more n more green house grows will occur,, who needs to grow indoor when you can harvest 100o 's of pounds FREE and you can have all the cobs you want nothing in the next 50 years oh lets make it 100 years will touch what the sun is capable of :)
 
Yes the sun is wonderful and we should all be careful to not curse or anger the God that created it.
 
i would love to see a new panel like my 1600 that has more white diodes,a larger frame like 3ft x 3 ft and maybe use 3w chips in the very center of the panel and 5w only along the 4 or 5 outermost rows of lights maybe even point the last row slightly outward to cover a 5x5 area better.i would drop 700.00 or 800.00 on one of those in a second :)
@MarsG i do use that style hanger on my light now,but i have it hung at 65" from the floor and thats about as high as i feel it can go and still penetrate my plants well.you just need to make one of these wider like your seeing with all the homemade panels lately ;)
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Bravoooo Sixstring, beautiful pics
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I like your attitude about safe, I can see the fire hydrant in your grow room! :p

haha I can see your prospect of new light, thats really cool! But we don't use 3w chips any more, all are replaced by 5w or Cree/Epistar chips. We have switched to bigger fan on our light as well, actually the light with 5w chips are cooler than our old model with 3W chips, but maybe a little more power consumption. I will send you a PM about our new product! ^^

Wish you big harvest, and don't forget to share the pics with us
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I think my earlier post got overlooked. im running 3x600hps in big kahuna hoods in a 8x12x7 built room with a 14k btu a/c and running 73* lights on under every hood. what panel do you have that's comparable to one of my 600's? I would be interested in 3 panels ONLY if the yields are above what im pulling now. im currently pulling excellent yields, but would like to save a bit on the power draw like the leds do. BUT do not want to sacrifice quality or quantity.
Hi Demon Trich, I have PM you about the info of our light, please check your inbox ;)
 
Exactlly my point and how you understood it is right i am not bashing mars at all actually out of all them least there on the consumers side being prices are not going to make me eat macaroni and cheese for next 2 months after purchase but many LED companies CLAIM that there 245 actual draw wattage LED replaces a 600 what Hid
and the problem is in reality there is no god dam way it could
or lets put it this way i did 76 plant grow 2000 watt hid YIELD just under 8 pounds dry 2 1000's umbrella open ended fresh winter air in exhaust out passive this room was 13.5 x 18 x 8 feet high mylar all around trust me bright as hell
so now i am looking for a led unit actually 2 of them to replace my 2000 watt hid sure enough i see who ever spider led , or kind led how ever you mention them claiming there actual 470 watt draw unit replaces 1000 hid ...
OK lets say i buy them they land here open them up and think wow these fucking small things are going to cover 13.5 feet x 18 feet room not a fucking chance but they will say it will cover 5.5 x 5.5 lets say but truth is that is to much already and plants growing on out skirts are stretched like some basketball player lol catch my drift so
that is what i am getting at in reality and yes 76 plants vegged 5 weeks 2 k in a dialed room made me 8 pounds dry you know what i bet i would need 8 - 10 o led 1000 hid so called replacement lights and still not get anywhere close to 8 pounds View attachment 536314 View attachment 536315

wait a sec man,your pulling 4 pounds per lamp dry?why would you want to change a thing,i think you have the record now so stick with it lmao.
look here i dont wanna get into your yileds on hid but you def have high expectations lol,i run almsot the same size room,12 x 20 x 9.5 but im really only using about 10 x 18 and i run 12 kw of lights in there,so you wanna see bright hahaha.anyways,i have the mars 2 1600w panel,it draws approx 765w and i do not think it will keep up with a 1000w hid.it seems to be real close to my 600hps in a cool tube but not nearly as good as my gavita 750w.plus these run hot so the cooling savings is minimal imo.

but like i said if you pull 8 lbs dry from 2k hid dont bother with led.
 
@sixstring Hi I was trying to send you a PM, but I couldn't...:oops:

Hmmm... if you would like to know more info about new panels, you may contact this email: [email protected]
Thanks for your support!
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You should be asking with all BS set aside which mars unit will infact replace a 600 watt HID
I just hate when LED companies mention some 200 watt LED unit or what have you that replaces a 600 watt HID tricking the person into thinking he will yield same as one but falls miles short in all areas of growth an yield
Hi,

Yeah maybe some companies are giving growers wrong information. In LED grow light industry, PAR actually is one of the most direct and important datas for plants, and we suggest growers to consider about the draw power (which is the infact power) when replace HPS,... I have PM DemonTrich, gave my suggestion about the replacement :)

We have made a video to test the PAR of our light, please have a look!
 
How often do you change your HPS bulbs and how much do they cost. LEDs reach efficiency of 150lm/W easily and keep it through their life cycle. HPS has initial efficiency of max 150lm/W which srarts degrading the minute you turn it on. LEDs are about 45% efficient turning energy to light where HPS is 30% efficient. So with the same ammount of light, HPS will produce 15% more heat which has to be removed again using aditional electricity. Also, LEDs have broader spectrum meaning they can be used for veg and flower, where with HPS you need another unit for veg. Didyou add the costs of the veg unit and bulbs to the equation? I'm not saying this is the case with mars units as I don't know what's their thermal management like, what's the efficiency of their drivers and I know they're are using LEDs that are not able to reach those numbers. And that won't change for a while. But the technology is out there on the market you just need to source it out and put it together.

Hi Toaster79 ,

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Here are the reference numbers: Mars II 400W BTU: 638 Draw power: 184W
Mars II 700W BTU:1095 Draw power: 314w
Mars II 900W BTU: 1432 Draw power: 410w
Mars II 1200W BTU: 1883 Draw Power: 541w
Mars II 1600W BTU: 2555 Draw Power: 732w
 
Exactlly my point and how you understood it is right i am not bashing mars at all actually out of all them least there on the consumers side being prices are not going to make me eat macaroni and cheese for next 2 months after purchase but many LED companies CLAIM that there 245 actual draw wattage LED replaces a 600 what Hid
and the problem is in reality there is no god dam way it could
or lets put it this way i did 76 plant grow 2000 watt hid YIELD just under 8 pounds dry 2 1000's umbrella open ended fresh winter air in exhaust out passive this room was 13.5 x 18 x 8 feet high mylar all around trust me bright as hell
so now i am looking for a led unit actually 2 of them to replace my 2000 watt hid sure enough i see who ever spider led , or kind led how ever you mention them claiming there actual 470 watt draw unit replaces 1000 hid ...
OK lets say i buy them they land here open them up and think wow these fucking small things are going to cover 13.5 feet x 18 feet room not a fucking chance but they will say it will cover 5.5 x 5.5 lets say but truth is that is to much already and plants growing on out skirts are stretched like some basketball player lol catch my drift so
that is what i am getting at in reality and yes 76 plants vegged 5 weeks 2 k in a dialed room made me 8 pounds dry you know what i bet i would need 8 - 10 o led 1000 hid so called replacement lights and still not get anywhere close to 8 pounds View attachment 536314 View attachment 536315
Hi DrFever,

I agree with you in some points. But our company never fool customers in that way, when customers ask us about suggestion, we always put the actual power and PAR value into consideration.

As you said, if you wanna find 2 Led units to replace 2000w hid, I would suggest 2x 1600W Mars II, the actual power of one 1600W is 732w , the coverage size of one 1600W is 5x5 feet, so I only can say 2 of them can be close to 2000W HID, but can't totally replace. 5x900W Mars II should be better, the actual power of each 900w is 410w, coverage size is 4x4 feet.
 
I am going to buy this pro cree 256 what ever just for the sake and really try it out alhough i know it will not stack up to nanolux 1215 watt grows but it might be a good veg starter or suplimental light but still i am really liking it although price is way day hell up there ..

Yeah comparing with our Mars II series, the price of Mars pro is higher... But the new production cost for us is much higher as well....

But I think the price of Mars Pro MAYBE will be lower within 6 months, till this series will be mass-producted, and most warehouses have enough stock of it! But the price is not decided by me, I just hope for all the people who are interested in Pro ;) USA should be our first station to have more stock for Pro series, till then the shipping fee will be adjusted as well .

I will keep updating the info of our new product here! Yeah, if anyone needs more info about Mars Pro or Mars II or whatever, PM me or email our company : [email protected] please title with "thcfarmer" when you email us.
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