New Growers General Chat

[CharmCity915]

@Vggir where you been girl :eyepiece:.. How's the baby's doing? How's granny's coming along??

 

[CharmCity915]

Quick question for anyone who knows about how the auction list works on here

Are the seeds guaranteed female?

 

[Vggir]

@Vggir where you been girl :eyepiece:.. How's the baby's doing? How's granny's coming along??

I'm here ;) just been in cruise control, and under a wee bit of stress, but it's all good, still :) I'm at Day 27 of flower, and digging how things are looking so far.

 

[CharmCity915]

I'm here ;) just been in cruise control, and under a wee bit of stress, but it's all good, still :) I'm at Day 27 of flower, and digging how things are looking so far.

Nice, I hope all is well.. If you ever need to talk or anything, you know where to find me :love1:

 

[CharmCity915]

Aldo so I'm gonna try LST for my first time.. Do i need to tie down every single branch?? I hope I did it correct.. If not please let me know anything that I can fix.. Thank you

 

[CharmCity915]

Here's a fee more

 

[Ooopsi]

Your knots seem to be pretty tight around the branches aren't they? I see some that are loose but most seem to fit very tight? It's a bit hard to tell from here. I always leave some free space for them to grow thicker...
Never waited so long for LST though. I always start around 3rd or 4th node when they're pretty small and I just take care to expose some more knots to the light so they can shoot arms. I mostly end up wiring every branch indeed but I guess that depends on what you wanna do exactly...
If you keep this plant in veg for some more time, my guess is, it will grow into a monster ... Hopefully for you! LOL!

 

[CharmCity915]

Your knots seem to be pretty tight around the branches aren't they? I see some that are loose but most seem to fit very tight? It's a bit hard to tell from here. I always leave some free space for them to grow thicker...
Never waited so long for LST though. I always start around 3rd or 4th node when they're pretty small and I just take care to expose some more knots to the light so they can shoot arms. I mostly end up wiring every branch indeed but I guess that depends on what you wanna do exactly...
If you keep this plant in veg for some more time, my guess is, it will grow into a monster ... Hopefully for you! LOL!

Yea I noticed after I did the knots that some were to tight so I reconfigured so the branch would have room to fatten... I'm aiming to vet her for another 30-45 days and then pop her into flower. Going for that giant bonsai look

 

[CharmCity915]

So here's my chemdog, I'm at that time of we are at 8.5-9weeks in flower.. I'm not trying to go off of tric's being that its to unpredictable... A lot of her hairs are curled up towards the bud and her orange ones are more predominantly sticking out.. Leafs are curling down.. Some are turning yellow and curling up

 

[Vggir]

hers my dry ice keif from my Tangerine Power by SinCitySeeds. I can see why this plant won first place for extraction! The taste is unbelievable!

 

[Vggir]

So here's my chemdog, I'm at that time of we are at 8.5-9weeks in flower.. I'm not trying to go off of tric's being that its to unpredictable... A lot of her hairs are curled up towards the bud and her orange ones are more predominantly sticking out.. Leafs are curling down.. Some are turning yellow and curling up

Hey there :) I can see why ppl think going by trichs color seems unpredictable, but imo, going by the look of plant to see if it's done is too unpredictable for me. Did you ever grab a jewellers loup? To me, I still see a lot of white pistols, which should indicate she still has more time, but again, I find it difficult to go by the looks of a plant.

 

[CharmCity915]

Hey there :) I can see why ppl think going by trichs color seems unpredictable, but imo, going by the look of plant to see if it's done is too unpredictable for me. Did you ever grab a jewellers loup? To me, I still see a lot of white pistols, which should indicate she still has more time, but again, I find it difficult to go by the looks of a plant.

I grabbed one last night and they still look white but then some look purple.. I definitely think it has another week.. I've read about the difference in chemdog from 8.5 week flower vs 9week flower and just that half a week more made it amazing and way more potent.. So I don't wanna cut to soon

 

[CharmCity915]

View attachment 581813 hers my dry ice keif from my Tangerine Power by SinCitySeeds. I can see why this plant won first place for extraction! The taste is unbelievable!

Can I have some :kiss:

 

[CharmCity915]

Sitting here reading through some of my first post ever on this site and boy did I know absolutely nothing about this stuff.. I've learned a lot through these almost 4 months.. Met awesome people on here and even made a real life friend LMAO.. By far the best farming site I've found out there

 

[Vggir]

I grabbed one last night and they still look white but then some look purple.. I definitely think it has another week.. I've read about the difference in chemdog from 8.5 week flower vs 9week flower and just that half a week more made it amazing and way more potent.. So I don't wanna cut to soon

The purple you're seeing is Amber. You want a ratio of white and Amber trichs, well I do...:P
The Amber color gives you a sleepy, couch lock affect, as to the white trichs, or milky, will give you that feel good buzz you can feel through your whole body. Clear trichs give you nothing. I usually try for 20/80% of milky to Amber trichs, for an all around buzz.

 

[Ecompost]

The purple you're seeing is Amber. You want a ratio of white and Amber trichs, well I do...:p
The Amber color gives you a sleepy, couch lock affect, as to the white trichs, or milky, will give you that feel good buzz you can feel through your whole body. Clear trichs give you nothing. I usually try for 20/80% of milky to Amber trichs, for an all around buzz.

There is some confusion around CBN on this thread. I just wanted to take time to clear this up before it spreads. Much of the accurate data gets clouded out through a spreading of something someone heard, but we can get to the bottom of couch lock here and now, thus helping you make better selections at the store on the stock you buy and grow :-)

CBN does not produce the couch-lock high.
CBN produces a sickly ill feeling and it represents a loss of potency of 90-260%.
It has been linked to disruptive sleep patterns and so should be treated with caution.

Every plant should be grown to maximum cloudy trichomes while minimizing clear and amber trichomes.
Clear, because they contain pre-cursor cannabinoids. Amber, because they represent a huge loss of potency.
You will see a much larger degradation if you expose the weed to sunlight, light in general, heat, high humidity & moisture.
What determines whether you get an energetic high or a couch-lock high is the phenotype; Sativa v. Indica.

A pure Indica plant grown out fully will deliver a couch-lock high.
A pure Sativa will deliver an energetic high.
A hybrid can bring the best of both worlds.

 

[Ecompost]

more on the subject..
Most cannabinoids have a sedative effect, the main contributor of the sedative effect is not CBN, it's CBG (sleep inducing) and CBC (sedative effect).
CBN is only mildly psychoactive.
CBN is 90-260% less psychoactive than THC. There is a debate whether it's 90% or 260% but it's somewhere between those two figures.

If you smoke CBN ridden trichomes (most noticeable in hash made from such trichomes) you will notice the sickly ill feeling.
It's not a true high like a THC or CBD high.

The reason why you haven't had the full effect of CBN is because nobody lets all of their THC degrade, thus leaving behind only a degraded product.
If you were to leave the weed out in sunlight or in a heated/high RH room for an extended period you would end up with such a product.
And in any case, whether you've felt the full effect of CBN or not does not make any difference to the scientific research.
Trends in Pharmacological Sciences Volume 30, issue 10 (scientific publication) - Marijuana Chemistry: Genetics, Processing And Potency (scientific university book) & scientific research done by Montana Biotech among other biotech companies.

I'll give you this though;
CBN does alter a THC high, but in a negative way, since it "removes" potency.

CBN is a good way of determining the age of the medicine, and it is pain relieving (like CBC, THC & CBD is) but it's not the cannabinoid which "controls" the couch-lock stone.

thanks to Koijn and his team here

 

[Ecompost]

and some input from another well known head who knows stuff..(colonnuggs)

Returning to the more orthodox version of the cannabinoid biosynthesis, the role of ultraviolet light should be reemphasized. It seems apparent that ultraviolet light, normally supplied in abundance by sunlight, takes part in the conversion of CBD acid to THC acids. Therefore, the lack of ultraviolet light in indoor growing situations could account for the limited psychoactivity of Cannabis grown under artificial lights.

Light energy has been collected and utilized by the plant in a long series of reactions resulting in the formation of THC acids. Farther along the pathway begins the formation of degradation products not metabolically produced by the living plant.

These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids.

"The degradation is accomplished primarily by heat and light and is not enzymatically controlled by the plant."

CBN is also suspected of synergistic modification of the psychoactivity of the primary cannabinoids, THCs. The cannabinoid balance between CBC, CBD, THC, and CBN is determined by genetics and maturation.

THC production is an ongoing process as long as the glandular trichome remains active.

Variations in the level of THC in the same trichome as it matures are the result of THC acid being broken down to CBN acid while CBD acid is being converted to THC acid.

If the rate of THC biosynthesis exceeds the rate of THC breakdown, the THC level in the trichome rises; if the breakdown rate is faster than the rate of biosynthesis, the THC level drops.

Clear or slightly amber transparent resin is a sign that the glandular trichome is still active. As soon as resin secretion begins to slow, the resins will usually polymerize and harden. During the late floral stages the resin tends to darken to a transparent amber color.

If it begins to deteriorate, it first turns translucent and then opaque brown or white. Near-freezing temperatures during maturation will often result in opaque white resins. During active secretion, THC acids are constantly being formed from CBD acid and breaking down into CBN acid


edit to how they are arrived

THCA (THC acids as you put it) is not formed from CBDA.
THCA is formed from CBGA, CBDA is also formed from CBGA, as is CBCA.
CBGA (Cannabigerolic acid) is the precursor to most other cannabinoids.

It goes: Geranyl phosphate --> Olivetolic acid --> Cannabigerolic acid --> [THCA / CBCA / CBDA]

 

[Vggir]

and some input from another well known head who knows stuff..(colonnuggs)

Returning to the more orthodox version of the cannabinoid biosynthesis, the role of ultraviolet light should be reemphasized. It seems apparent that ultraviolet light, normally supplied in abundance by sunlight, takes part in the conversion of CBD acid to THC acids. Therefore, the lack of ultraviolet light in indoor growing situations could account for the limited psychoactivity of Cannabis grown under artificial lights.

Light energy has been collected and utilized by the plant in a long series of reactions resulting in the formation of THC acids. Farther along the pathway begins the formation of degradation products not metabolically produced by the living plant.

These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids.

"The degradation is accomplished primarily by heat and light and is not enzymatically controlled by the plant."

CBN is also suspected of synergistic modification of the psychoactivity of the primary cannabinoids, THCs. The cannabinoid balance between CBC, CBD, THC, and CBN is determined by genetics and maturation.

THC production is an ongoing process as long as the glandular trichome remains active.

Variations in the level of THC in the same trichome as it matures are the result of THC acid being broken down to CBN acid while CBD acid is being converted to THC acid.

If the rate of THC biosynthesis exceeds the rate of THC breakdown, the THC level in the trichome rises; if the breakdown rate is faster than the rate of biosynthesis, the THC level drops.

Clear or slightly amber transparent resin is a sign that the glandular trichome is still active. As soon as resin secretion begins to slow, the resins will usually polymerize and harden. During the late floral stages the resin tends to darken to a transparent amber color.

If it begins to deteriorate, it first turns translucent and then opaque brown or white. Near-freezing temperatures during maturation will often result in opaque white resins. During active secretion, THC acids are constantly being formed from CBD acid and breaking down into CBN acid


edit to how they are arrived

THCA (THC acids as you put it) is not formed from CBDA.
THCA is formed from CBGA, CBDA is also formed from CBGA, as is CBCA.
CBGA (Cannabigerolic acid) is the precursor to most other cannabinoids.

It goes: Geranyl phosphate --> Olivetolic acid --> Cannabigerolic acid --> [THCA / CBCA / CBDA]

@Ecompost , so if I try to harvest a plant with 20/80% amber to milky trichs, would that mean I took the plant too far? I have definitely noticed a difference in buzz when harvesting the same strain at different ratios to milky/Amber trichs, so this really makes sense!

 

[Ecompost]

@Ecompost , so if I try to harvest a plant with 20/80% amber to milky trichs, would that mean I took the plant too far? I have definitely noticed a difference in buzz when harvesting the same strain at different ratios to milky/Amber trichs, so this really makes sense!

yes less amber stronger THC or CBD more amber less CBD or THC, this is why I use KAMINO, it prevents or rather delays the CBN, but continues to stimulate sugar uptake, so I get purer THC and fatter buds :-) I get ripe, not mature :-)