Incogneato's Veg(ina) Box

[EventHorizan]

but that is good

as long as that isnt the whole plant
you can keep running them until you find one stable
then find something you want to cross it to
then cross it and have babies
find the best male and back brees it to the mom
and out of those babies find another strong male and back breed it again
now she is cubed
and hopefully stable

Well we will see when she gets harvested how bad it is....

 

[EventHorizan]

I'm just glad I got some good genetics on the way.. csi Humboldt... I'm just praying that I get a plant that looks just like the bag seed. But that's what's awesome.. I have no idea what I'm getting ready to see.

 

[Wisher619]

Do you mist them to stay perky? Is your room humid? That's awesome man I suck at making clones mine never look anything like that by the time they root thanks for sharing ;)

no nothing
the spot is about 60% rh
no misting of any kind

 

[Orcaman]

the only LED "Fixture" I have seen with UV are the Amare and Spectrum King

Here are the specs on the two low budget LED lights that I'm currently using in my bloom area with includes UV and IR chips.
Lightimetunnel 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum UV IR Lighting
Full spectrum 9 band, including UV and IR
430~440nm, 450~460nm, 610~615nm, 620~630nm, 650~660nm, white, IR(730nm) , UV 380~400nm, 470nm

Here's some info on my next replacement LED lights
Welcome to the next generation of PlatinumLED Grow Lights – the most powerful LED grow lights available on the market today! Featuring the highest PAR per watt of any other LED grow light along with the most complete 12-band spectrum available, our lights ensure maximum yield with minimum power usage and heat.

The P300 effectively replaces a conventional 400w HPS grow light while only consuming 180 watts of actual power, while giving your plants 100% USABLE light that is perfectly tuned to create maximum photosynthetic response.

The secret to the PlatinumLED success is combining an optimal blend of 12 different bands of complete light spectrum all the way from the depths of UV to the upper IR - giving your plants EXACTLY the finely tuned spectrum that they need. By combining our finely tuned spectrum along with integrated 90 degree secondary focusing lenses that penetrate deep within the canopy, our high-output 3W LEDs simply blow away the competition.

What's more, the PlatinumLED Grow Lights offer dual light spectrums to provide the best of both worlds for vegetative growth and the flowering stage. The VEG setting uses only 93 watts to provide excellent vegetative growth in a 4.5'x3.8' area. Simply turn on the second switch to boost the light to full 180 watt capacity and modify the spectral output to encourage unbelievable flowering in the same space.

Product Specs
HID Replacement 400w HPS
Width 9 in | 23 cm
Length 19 in | 48 cm
Height 3 in | 8 cm
Weight 13 lbs | 6 kg
Max Coverage at 18" Height 4.5'x3.8'
Core Coverage at 18" Height 3'x2'
LED Quantity 100x3w
Lifespan 50,000 - 100,000 hours
12-Band LED Spectrum Included
Secondary LED Focusing Lens 90°
Warranty 5 Year Complete Warranty
Voltage AC85-260V
Bloom Power 180 watts
Veg Power 93 watts
Amperage (Veg + Bloom) 1.6A @ 110V / 0.8A @ 220V
Amperage (Veg Switch Only) 0.8A @ 110V / 0.4A @ 220V

 

[Wisher619]

Here are the specs on the two low budget LED lights that I'm currently using in my bloom area with includes UV and IR chips.
Lightimetunnel 300W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum UV IR Lighting
Full spectrum 9 band, including UV and IR
430~440nm, 450~460nm, 610~615nm, 620~630nm, 650~660nm, white, IR(730nm) , UV 380~400nm, 470nm

Here's some info on my next replacement LED lights
Welcome to the next generation of PlatinumLED Grow Lights – the most powerful LED grow lights available on the market today! Featuring the highest PAR per watt of any other LED grow light along with the most complete 12-band spectrum available, our lights ensure maximum yield with minimum power usage and heat.

The P300 effectively replaces a conventional 400w HPS grow light while only consuming 180 watts of actual power, while giving your plants 100% USABLE light that is perfectly tuned to create maximum photosynthetic response.

The secret to the PlatinumLED success is combining an optimal blend of 12 different bands of complete light spectrum all the way from the depths of UV to the upper IR - giving your plants EXACTLY the finely tuned spectrum that they need. By combining our finely tuned spectrum along with integrated 90 degree secondary focusing lenses that penetrate deep within the canopy, our high-output 3W LEDs simply blow away the competition.

What's more, the PlatinumLED Grow Lights offer dual light spectrums to provide the best of both worlds for vegetative growth and the flowering stage. The VEG setting uses only 93 watts to provide excellent vegetative growth in a 4.5'x3.8' area. Simply turn on the second switch to boost the light to full 180 watt capacity and modify the spectral output to encourage unbelievable flowering in the same space.

Product Specs
HID Replacement 400w HPS
Width 9 in | 23 cm
Length 19 in | 48 cm
Height 3 in | 8 cm
Weight 13 lbs | 6 kg
Max Coverage at 18" Height 4.5'x3.8'
Core Coverage at 18" Height 3'x2'
LED Quantity 100x3w
Lifespan 50,000 - 100,000 hours
12-Band LED Spectrum Included
Secondary LED Focusing Lens 90°
Warranty 5 Year Complete Warranty
Voltage AC85-260V
Bloom Power 180 watts
Veg Power 93 watts
Amperage (Veg + Bloom) 1.6A @ 110V / 0.8A @ 220V
Amperage (Veg Switch Only) 0.8A @ 110V / 0.4A @ 220V

those lights will work
but....neither are actually good lights
I would rather save my money
or go with 315w cmh.....better spectrum and overall better reputation
https://growershouse.com/checkout/cart/
that should run about the same price
but the cmh will murder that platinum LED
as well
that IR and UV bs......well that is what it is...bs
because there are only 2-4 chips on that entire board with IR or UV.....and because those wave lengths are so short (not powerfull enough) it wont even effect your plant in the slightest .....to be completey honest with you
not trying to be harsh but it really is just money down the drain
you can look at it as "well it will work"
but work well it will not
if you really want LED


that will murder the platinum
and before we talk money
this LED.......will MURDER the platinum
so for the extra 250.00 or so.....it is well worth it
and the owner is on this sight as well as Rollitup
and I believe he gives discounts to forum members

 

[incogneato]

You guys are debating which light will perform the best and I'm over here just trying to not kill my ladies lol. Update: I got everything moved around last night so I could build my new box. 10'x5'x8' I'm gonna frame it up with 2x4, not sure just yet what I'm going to sheet it with. Funds are on the tighter side right now but I want to get another light and ballast to put in there so I can flower everything together. I was going to just flower the 4 photos and their clones and run the new seedlings next, but if I can get this thing together in the next few weeks I'll flip all of them and just takes cuts for the next round. I did fill the seedling tray with nutes like @Wisher619 recommended so I'm excited to try something new

 

[rmoltis]

I got everything moved around last night so I could build my new box. 10'x5'x8' I'm gonna frame it up with 2x4, not sure just yet what I'm going to sheet it with.

Your 4x4 can pull a considerable amount of weight and your already expanding Lmao.

You've got the fever.

I can't wait to see where things go!

 

[Wisher619]

You guys are debating which light will perform the best and I'm over here just trying to not kill my ladies lol. Update: I got everything moved around last night so I could build my new box. 10'x5'x8' I'm gonna frame it up with 2x4, not sure just yet what I'm going to sheet it with. Funds are on the tighter side right now but I want to get another light and ballast to put in there so I can flower everything together. I was going to just flower the 4 photos and their clones and run the new seedlings next, but if I can get this thing together in the next few weeks I'll flip all of them and just takes cuts for the next round. I did fill the seedling tray with nutes like @Wisher619 recommended so I'm excited to try something new

I would sheet it with subflooring and the inside I would use foil backed insulation foam
they sell 4x8' sheets for like 7.00 @ HD

 

[EventHorizan]

Your 4x4 can pull a considerable amount of weight and your already expanding Lmao.

You've got the fever.

I can't wait to see where things go!

Lol...

 

[EventHorizan]

This seed excursion is getting stressful. Between having to call the card twice and the merchant 10 times which only once did they answer. But yet somehow was able to call me at my work 3 days in a row... and I still don't have confirmation. If after today it still doesn't go thru then I'm done. Way more problems because my card flags these merchants from this part of the world I assume is the cause...

 

[Orcaman]

I'm semi new to the led realm and decided to start cheap because I know that it is only going to get better for the buck in the future. The thing is based on my growing environment in the tiny cellar of a nasty 100 plus year rental. These cheap ass lights are kicking ass in my opinion. You can state all you want Wisher619, like you know it all and I do applicate your stating's. I'm just showing what has been working for me and you are basically telling me that I'm not getting good results from all of my years of growing methods and they are all myth, and yours are perfect. I love how this all started from suggesting supplemental UV over CFL lighting in bloom. :)
Total respect, Orca

 

[Wisher619]

I'm semi new to the led realm and decided to start cheap because I know that it is only going to get better for the buck in the future. The thing is based on my growing environment in the tiny cellar of a nasty 100 plus year rental. These cheap ass lights are kicking ass in my opinion. You can state all you want Wisher619, like you know it all and I do applicate your stating's. I'm just showing what has been working for me and you are basically telling me that I'm not getting good results from all of my years of growing methods and they are all myth, and yours are perfect. I love how this all started from suggesting supplemental UV over CFL lighting in bloom. :)
Total respect, Orca

if that is the way you feel
I have lost all respect
I in no way ever stated that YOU are doing anything wrong
I was simply stating that the equipment is literally Walmart cheap
in no way was I bashing you by any means
AT ALL
if you are taking it personal that I was bashing on those lights then I must assume you have some stake in them

Looking at your upgrade from what you have now is like going from the 2nd hand store to payless for your shoes

I was simply suggesting that it would benefit you by waiting and saving for something better

your excuse about a 100year old cellar bares no weight what so ever
I dont care if you were growing in a 2x2x4' cardboard box
I would still suggest better
it would only benefit you in the long run

Science tells us that Light is food for plants
and nutrients are the building blocks

if you had a better light you would be doubling your yield LITERALLY from what you are getting

I scanned through you grow log
you have some skill and have produced some really nice lookin plants

all I was suggesting is to step it up in the light game
I suggested the CMH because it has the highest output of UV of any lighting on the market
and since you are into that I suggested it
I also suggested it because it would be a true comparison to a 400w HID in output

the leds you are looking at only put out 150w
less than a 4'4 bulb t-5 fixture
I wasnt debating with you and I wasnt saying that what I think is the best
I was stating that .....IN GOOD CONSCIENCE...... I absolutely could not suggest those fixtures to anyone

if what I suggested hurt your feelings or was offensive to you .....well for that I take offense to your passive agressive scarcasm

UV......for higher THC content....proven myth

the fixtures you are using....emit no applicable UV.......period
those Chinese company's are garbage
I dont know how else to say it

I only want to see people succeed
again as I have stated
I have seen great plants grown by you
upgrading to a quality light will vastly improve size and quality of your finished product

 

[justiceman]

I'm in coco myself. Haven't really had major cal mag issues yet. I did start to see some magnesium deficiency but a little Epsom foliar did the trick. The Nectar for the Gods line I'm using has lot of calcium in it so its been great for coco. I do a flush when I up pot with new coco. I use the herculean harvest, Demeter's destiny (liquid calcium), and some Epsom. Kinda like a flush and charge. Got the first 5 ladies up potted into 3 gallon fabric potsjust now and had to move everything around to make it fit. Definitely need that grow box now haha. Between the bigger pots a tray full of seedlings and a few clones its standing room only lolView attachment 648195

Pulling up a chair on this one. Glad to hear the germination went better this time around for you incogneato. Seen some cool stuff in this thread. The water cloning and sips method are pretty sweet.

Hey incogneato what are those grates/screen/things(hahaha) you have over you saucers called? I really like how they keep the plant out of the runoff water! I see you are running a soilless mix that has a decent amount of coco in it. What's your feed strength(EC) and Ph looking like right now? They seem a little bit hungry for food and O2 in the root zone, but that could just be the lighting.

 

[EventHorizan]

Saw a red trich or 2... 50/50 cloudy and clear... 16 days left... ...

 

[incogneato]

Your 4x4 can pull a considerable amount of weight and your already expanding Lmao.

You've got the fever.

I can't wait to see where things go!

You ain't lyin Botha!! :D The funny thing is it's not even so much about yield as it is having room to run a few different strains/ phenos and being able to go perpetual. I figure if I'm gonna build something it would be better to go bigger once than smaller twice haha :cool:

 

[incogneato]

I'm semi new to the led realm and decided to start cheap because I know that it is only going to get better for the buck in the future. The thing is based on my growing environment in the tiny cellar of a nasty 100 plus year rental. These cheap ass lights are kicking ass in my opinion. You can state all you want Wisher619, like you know it all and I do applicate your stating's. I'm just showing what has been working for me and you are basically telling me that I'm not getting good results from all of my years of growing methods and they are all myth, and yours are perfect. I love how this all started from suggesting supplemental UV over CFL lighting in bloom. :)
Total respect, Orca

if that is the way you feel
I have lost all respect
I in no way ever stated that YOU are doing anything wrong
I was simply stating that the equipment is literally Walmart cheap
in no way was I bashing you by any means
AT ALL
if you are taking it personal that I was bashing on those lights then I must assume you have some stake in them

Looking at your upgrade from what you have now is like going from the 2nd hand store to payless for your shoes

I was simply suggesting that it would benefit you by waiting and saving for something better

your excuse about a 100year old cellar bares no weight what so ever
I dont care if you were growing in a 2x2x4' cardboard box
I would still suggest better
it would only benefit you in the long run

Science tells us that Light is food for plants
and nutrients are the building blocks

if you had a better light you would be doubling your yield LITERALLY from what you are getting

I scanned through you grow log
you have some skill and have produced some really nice lookin plants

all I was suggesting is to step it up in the light game
I suggested the CMH because it has the highest output of UV of any lighting on the market
and since you are into that I suggested it
I also suggested it because it would be a true comparison to a 400w HID in output

the leds you are looking at only put out 150w
less than a 4'4 bulb t-5 fixture
I wasnt debating with you and I wasnt saying that what I think is the best
I was stating that .....IN GOOD CONSCIENCE...... I absolutely could not suggest those fixtures to anyone

if what I suggested hurt your feelings or was offensive to you .....well for that I take offense to your passive agressive scarcasm

UV......for higher THC content....proven myth

the fixtures you are using....emit no applicable UV.......period
those Chinese company's are garbage
I dont know how else to say it

I only want to see people succeed
again as I have stated
I have seen great plants grown by you
upgrading to a quality light will vastly improve size and quality of your finished product

Fellas... I think a lot is lost in translation when we type/read something as opposed to saying/hearing it. I respect both of you for your knowledge of growing and appreciate all input. I think we all know there is more than one right way to grow. I find it funny there are always so many disagreements on a weed growing forum lol. Let's all just smoke some good, take a breath and agree to disagree.

 

[Wisher619]

Fellas... I think a lot is lost in translation when we type/read something as opposed to saying/hearing it. I respect both of you for your knowledge of growing and appreciate all input. I think we all know there is more than one right way to grow. I find it funny there are always so many disagreements on a weed growing forum lol. Let's all just smoke some good, take a breath and agree to disagree.

I agree with you

the problem that I have....and have had for a while.....is Mis-information
it troubles me
so the information that I give....I have fact checked over and over
When I give opinion I always state as much

and I am just not in the business of steering or....."yes manning" anyone into something that is not of quality or reliable
I hate seeing people throw money away for a short victory
a year or 2 down the road another 2-3-4 hundred bucks spent
it is discouraging
and these forums are for helping positive improvement
not agreeing with what you know to be wrong

all people that I have helped I am sure will speak of me in a positive light and have never steered anyone wrong

even most that I have butted heads with have seen the light in time

I am done with Political Correctness
and am finished propping people up on a bad leg when it does more harm than good

I know .....let people do what they want and learn

not in my nature

 

[incogneato]

Pulling up a chair on this one. Glad to hear the germination went better this time around for you incogneato. Seen some cool stuff in this thread. The water cloning and sips method are pretty sweet.

Hey incogneato what are those grates/screen/things(hahaha) you have over you saucers called? I really like how they keep the plant out of the runoff water! I see you are running a soilless mix that has a decent amount of coco in it. What's your feed strength(EC) and Ph looking like right now? They seem a little bit hungry for food and O2 in the root zone, but that could just be the lighting.

Come on in bro, good to have ya. I want to say they were called risers, don't quote me on that just yet. I'll check the tags when I get back to the lab. I agree on the feed, I run pH around 6.2 I use a tds pen so my ppm has been going from 750-850. My new batch that's bubbling now will be around 1200.

Here they are as of this morning

 

[justiceman]

Nice they are looking way more perky! I know in coco you're supposed to run ph at 5.7-5.9 but you do have some peat in the mix If I'm not mistaken so 6.2 seems good.

 

[incogneato]

Nice they are looking way more perky! I know in coco you're supposed to run ph at 5.7-5.9 but you do have some peat in the mix If I'm not mistaken so 6.2 seems good.

I let it drift in that range but I'm going by the recommended pH on my nectar for the gods feeding chart. They call for 6-6.2 in veg. I plan on being a little lower this feeding because the last feed was a little higher. I still have a lot to learn so please point out anything you see. I think my last pic was more droopy from the foliar I gave em just before the pic was taken. The mix is coco/sphagnum with ewc and some silica amended with about 40% perilite for drainage. I think next time around I may go without the sphagnum. I'm actually running coco by accident, planned on being in soil. At some point I'll do a comparative grow to see what medium I like better