Standing Rock

[chickenman]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neil-young-standing-rock-obama-trump_us_583c8be9e4b06539a789d9bb

 

[guymandude]

and a US court just ordered thw camp to be dismatled and gone by dec something. The government doesn't give a rats ass about the people.

 

[jumpincactus]

and a US court just ordered thw camp to be dismatled and gone by dec something. The government doesn't give a rats ass about the people.

This suxxx, but are any of us really surprised.? I know I am not. I don't think the Lakota and all the others will give up that easy. Maybe it's time to forget about peaceful assemblies to have our voices heard. Maybe it's time for another approach. :speechless:

 

[Underthesun]

All of this sucks. Let the guys in Oregon at the BLM office just eat snacks and hangout, but any people in the way of the mighty oil gets assaulted by our own government's oil army. Disgusting.

I've heard of a bus hauling supplies up there from my hometown every week or so. I need to figure out when the next bus comes through so I can give them all my old winter gear and camping stuff I don't use anymore.

And this seems all for a dying cause. Sure we all depend on oil right now, big time. But the truth is this resource will eventually be gone, and pretty soon relatively speaking. Who rules the world? The ones who are ahead of the other, the industrial revolution, the digital revolution, and next the energy revolution. Who controls the energy revolution will be the leader of the hopefully free world and oil won't be the driver. We aren't keeping up. Why can't the oil lovers see this? The economics have nothing to do with being green, just being smart, so why isn't everyone on board? It's beyond me.

 

[jumpincactus]

All of this sucks. Let the guys in Oregon at the BLM office just eat snacks and hangout, but any people in the way of the mighty oil gets assaulted by our own government's oil army. Disgusting.

I've heard of a bus hauling supplies up there from my hometown every week or so. I need to figure out when the next bus comes through so I can give them all my old winter gear and camping stuff I don't use anymore.

And this seems all for a dying cause. Sure we all depend on oil right now, big time. But the truth is this resource will eventually be gone, and pretty soon relatively speaking. Who rules the world? The ones who are ahead of the other, the industrial revolution, the digital revolution, and next the energy revolution. Who controls the energy revolution will be the leader of the hopefully free world and oil won't be the driver. We aren't keeping up. Why can't the oil lovers see this? The economics have nothing to do with being green, just being smart, so why isn't everyone on board? It's beyond me.

Brother or Sister I can't tell which by your avatar and it doesn't matter. :) I hear what your saying about the BLM deal, but keep in mind that this sort of thing happens with regularity when "we" and I don't mean you or I, but I mean we as a world population at times have come to look at those that are different as less than human. The First Nations peoples have always been looked at as dumb savages with no value to white society. It is when we look at someone as less than human, again, the word "we" can rationalize and justify genocide and various other atrocities "we " visit upon the indigenous peoples of this planet. This ploy of dehumanizing others has been around for a long, long time and a good example would be the Jewish peoples and how the Stazi, SS and Hitler were able to convince the German people they were less than human. Same thing in Vietnam, in Libya, Iraq,Iran etc etc. The most powerful weapon on the face of this earth is the tongue. Words and labels can and do kill many people worldwide. So just for today, I am very careful what comes out of my mouth as I don't want to be a part of the spiritual sickness I see around the world each and every day.

This type of thinking is an extreme example of what racism can and does produce. I pray to the Creator each day that someday "we" as a world populace can come to see others and see the similarities first and foremost and not the "differences" first. Should we ever reach that place, we will have achieved Nirvana and World peace. It is on my bucket list, however I am doubtful I will see it in my lifetime. All I can do is teach and live by example!!! Let the change begin with me.

I love your attitude and passion. Anything you can do or send will be appreciated for sure.

I will in closing say this, I have spent years in and around the Lakota and many other tribes and have found them to be the most loving, caring, selfless group of human beings I have ever had the pleasure of knowing.

Today I stand against the machine and I stand in Reverence with those people at Standing Rock. May the Creator keep you all safe.

Mitakuye Oyasin!!!! Ajo

 

[jumpincactus]

Here is a quote I really like. I hope you all enjoy it as well. In the Spirit of Crazy Horse!!!

Upon suffering beyond suffering:

The Red Nation shall rise again and it shall be a blessing for a sick world; a world filled with broken promises, selfishness and separations; a world longing for light again.

I see a time of Seven Generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the Sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth will become one circle again.

In that day, there will be those among the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among all living things and the young white ones will come to those of my people and ask for this wisdom.

I salute the light within your eyes where the whole Universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you and I am that place within me, we shall be one.

- Crazy Horse, Oglala Lakota Sioux (circa 1840-1877)

 

[LocalGrowGuy]

"Don't worry everyone, metal pipes don't leak. Stop crying wolf. This is for the good of the res, for the first people. Sacred burial sites shouldn't be excluded from industrial waste and preventable tragedies. If those honkies can spill oil and fuck up their water then Native Americans shouldn't be excluded. That's just wrong."-said no one ever

I might be over reacting.

Nope. Still angry. I'm no nuclear scientologist but that muddy stream looks a bit off. I'm not sure what it is though. Maybe it's the angle of the sun.



A bit frustrating to see, but confirmation of potential environmental 'impact' lends credence to the plight of the original natives and validates concerns, but it does so at a cost.

 

[jumpincactus]

"Don't worry everyone, metal pipes don't leak. Stop crying wolf. This is for the good of the res, for the first people. Sacred burial sites shouldn't be excluded from industrial waste and preventable tragedies. If those honkies can spill oil and fuck up their water then Native Americans shouldn't be excluded. That's just wrong."-said no one ever

I might be over reacting.

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Nope. Still angry. I'm no nuclear scientologist but that muddy stream looks a bit off. I'm not sure what it is though. Maybe it's the angle of the sun.



A bit frustrating to see, but confirmation of potential environmental 'impact' lends credence to the plight of the original natives and validates concerns, but it does so at a cost.

Dont worry everything will be ok. When the pipe breaks we will be sure to truck in bottled water to 14 million downstream!!!! The power elite always use that weak line about think about all the jobs it will create. Sorta like all the other boomtown bullshit things they do. They dont tell folks the cancer clusters will rise and when the boom is over there wont be any jobs and the land around you will be toxic. God Bless America....... And yes that is said sarcastically.

 

[jumpincactus]

So here is another leak reported in the ND region.

That thing the Standing Rock protesters were afraid of just happened
176,000 gallons of oil spilling into a nearby creek.

BEC CREW
14 DEC 2016

A faulty pipeline has leaked 176,000 gallons of crude oil into a creek and the surrounding countryside 2.5 hours away from the Standing Rock protests in North Dakota.

The spill, which went undetected by the pipeline owners until a local stumbled on it, has spread almost 7 km (5.4 miles) from the site of the leak, and at this stage, it’s not clear what caused the pipe to rupture, or how long it’s been leaking.

According to CNN, an estimated 4,200 barrels of crude oil leaked from the Belle Fourche Pipeline in Billings County, 150 miles (241 km) from Cannon Ball in North Dakota, where protesters have been fighting the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline.

For months, opponents of the Dakota Access Pipeline have been expressing fears that it would affect local drinking water, because it was to be built under the Missouri River near the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation - the primary water source of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe.

Last week, the US Department of the Army announced that it would not approve the crossing of the pipeline under the Missouri River.

The massive nearby spill - which was discovered on the same day that the Dakota Access Pipeline construction permit was denied - might have just proved the protesters' point.

As Derek Hawkins reports for The Washington Post, the Belle Fourche Pipeline Co., which owns the leaky pipeline in Billings Country, estimates that 130,200 gallons of oil spilled into the Little Missouri River last week, and another 46,200 gallons leaked onto a hillside.

The North Dakota Department of Health confirmed that the spill had taken place on December 5, and then again yesterday.

"Due to potentially unstable soil conditions at the point of release, the cause of the incident is not yet known," the Department of Health announced.

"The section of pipeline where the leak occurred has been isolated, and the spill has been contained."

According to Bill Suess, an environmental scientist with the North Dakota Department of Health, 37,000 gallons of oil had been recovered as of Monday, but there’s still a whole lot more to go.

"It’s going to take some time," Suess told the Associated Press. "Obviously there will be some component of the cleanup that will go toward spring."

And while local drinking water will not be affected, at least two cows have been confirmed dead in the area, but a definitive connection between their deaths and the oil spill has not been made.

It’s also not clear how the pipeline ruptured in the first place, but Belle Fourche Pipeline spokesperson, Wendy Owen, told the Associated Press that it might have occurred when the hillside slumped due to increased snowfall.

"That is our number one theory, but nothing is definitive," she said. "We have several working theories and the investigation is ongoing."

Perhaps even more concerning than a freak accident splitting the pipe is the fact that electronic monitoring equipment failed to detect the leak - something that would have prevented the pipe from spilling so much oil out into the countryside.

While there's no guarantee that a leak like this would happen at the Dakota Access Pipeline, this kind of thing is not exactly rare in the area.

As Hawkins reports for The Washington Post, True Companies, which owns Belle Fourche Pipeline Co, has a history of oil leaks in the region, reporting more than 30 spills totalling 320,000 gallons of oil since 2006.

"The Poplar Pipeline, operated by a True Companies subsidiary, leaked about 30,000 gallons of crude oil into the Yellowstone River in eastern Montana in 2015, prompting a town to shut down its drinking water service to 6,000 residents," he adds.

Belle Fourche Pipeline Co. has reported 10 oil spills since 2011.

So while none of that means the Dakota Access Pipeline is necessarily a risk, the Billings County leak is making the protesters' point for them: it's clear we need to do a better job at ensuring the structural integrity of those pipes.

 

[jumpincactus]

Cheyenne River Sioux Chairman Confronts Abuses at Standing Rock


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/cheyenne-river-sioux-chai_b_13672912.html

 

[jumpincactus]

Seattle Takes Steps to Divest $3 Billion From Wells Fargo Over Standing Rock

http://www.yesmagazine.org/new-econ...-from-wells-fargo-over-standing-rock-20161215

 

[jumpincactus]

Feds withheld key documents from Standing Rock Sioux

Still, Trump’s election reduces chances that the Dakota Access pipeline will be permanently blocked.

http://www.hcn.org/issues/48.22/feds-admit-they-withheld-key-documents-from-standing-rock-sioux

 

[jumpincactus]

Here is an article from a Lakota's perspective. I do believe I am in agreement. I have felt since day 1 after hearing of the UACOE putting a stay on the easement is just a stall tactic to get all the water protectors to leave. So when Trump gets sworn in he can finish what was started.

Make no mistake: Donald Trump’s Administration is coming for Indian Country—we’re suddenly big targets on his radar. We haven’t had quite this big of a place on the national and international stage in a long time. It makes sense—Native communities have about 25% of the nation’s on-shore oil and gas reserves and developable resources and this upcoming administration is oil-thirsty.

And they’re coming for what Tribes have; Dakota Access was the warm-up. Trump’s line-up of cabinet nominees tells us that his Administration is coming squarely for Native land and Native natural resources. Rick Perry, who sits on the Board of Directors for the Energy Transfer Partners (the company that owns the Dakota Access Pipeline), was nominated as the Energy Secretary. Trump also nominated Scott Pruitt to be the new head of the EPA; Pruitt said that “hydraulic fracking, a technological innovation that has done more to reduce carbon emissions in this country than any other technological advancement of our time.” No really—that’s what he said. He also wrote a letter to Obama In 2012, Pruitt and Republican Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal wrote a letter to President Obama asking to eliminate a Bureau of Land Management proposal that requires oil companies to disclose the chemicals used in fracking operations on Native American land.

These cats want to separate Native people from our lands and mineral resources. It’s westward expansion, manifest destiny! Again.

Even Trump’s Indian Advisor, Markwayne Mullin (Cherokee Nation), tells us that’s the goal. “We should take tribal land away from public treatment. As long as we can do it without unintended consequences, I think we will have broad support around Indian country.”

AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster

Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla. (Trump’s Indian Advisor) speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington.

Yeah, that couldn’t be a bad idea, could it? Last time that happened (Dawes Allotment Act of 1887), over 60 million acres of Native lands were designated as “surplus” and stolen from Native hands.

Fortunately, it’s a Native who has this idea this time—maybe that makes it better.

Additionally, the newest nominee for Secretary of the Interior, Ryan Zinke, also is a believer in extracting our mineral resources in any way possible. “Fracking is safe and not a threat to clean and safe water. The only question that remains is why did it take so long?” No, he really said that. In regards to a rule that limited emissions and flares in gas and oil development, Zinke said, “This rule is a stark reminder that we need to invest in infrastructure projects like the Keystone pipeline, so we don’t need to flare excess gas.” Importantly, Zinke also is not quite a climate change denier—he’s a climate change agnostic. “It’s not a hoax, but it’s not proven science either. But you don’t dismantle America’s power and energy on a maybe. We need to be energy independent first. We need to do it better, which we can, but it is not a settled science.”

AP Photo/Matthew Brown
In this photo taken Oct. 20, 2016, Republican U.S. Rep. Ryan Zinke speaks with a supporter in Billings, Montana.

Folks like Zinke only see tribal lands as a place to extract natural resources. Nothing more.

Obviously Rex Tillerson is the high priest of extracting fossil fuels, but Trump’s entire cabinet should be taken as a declaration of war on the earth, the environment and, very importantly, Indian Country.

Here’s what’s going to happen: Trump prides himself on being a “dealmaker.” He’s going to get his Cabinet to call their oil company friends to cut deals with economically struggling Native Nations that are energy rich. One of his energy hungry cronies will go, for example, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe or the Northern Cheyenne Tribe or the Navajo Tribe, and say, “You have 70 or 75 or 80% unemployment. We’re going to cut a deal with you so that we bring in developers to exploit this oil or coal or natural gas that you have. In exchange, you will get a higher percentage than tribes used to get.” Or alternatively, those companies buy enough individual parcels of land that they can force the sale because it’s private now. But now, because the land is private, they do not have to deal with demonstrations like in Standing Rock. They own the land outright.

As my brilliant sister Winona LaDuke says, “Predatory Economics.”

If those Tribes enter into those agreements, those tribes have willingly entered into agreements that preclude any legal claim to stopping development.

These folks are going to come to us, to make deals with us, but make no mistake: they are not our friends. Of course I’m not comparing Trump to Hitler, but we can either wait—as Prime Minister Chamberlain unfortunately did with the Fuhrer—and find out later.

Or we can realize right now that they are coming for our land, our resources, and the effect on our sovereignty and our communities’ health are an afterthought. If we plan to keep fighting for those things, there will be no peace for our time.

Gyasi Ross, Editor at Large
Blackfeet Nation/Suquamish Territories

 

[nazarbattu]

Here is an article from a Lakota's perspective. I do believe I am in agreement. I have felt since day 1 after hearing of the UACOE putting a stay on the easement is just a stall tactic to get all the water protectors to leave. So when Trump gets sworn in he can finish what was started.

Make no mistake: Donald Trump’s Administration is coming for Indian Country—we’re suddenly big targets on his radar. We haven’t had quite this big of a place on the national and international stage in a long time. It makes sense—Native communities have about 25% of the nation’s on-shore oil and gas reserves and developable resources and this upcoming administration is oil-thirsty.

And they’re coming for what Tribes have; Dakota Access was the warm-up. Trump’s line-up of cabinet nominees tells us that his Administration is coming squarely for Native land and Native natural resources. Rick Perry, who sits on the Board of Directors for the Energy Transfer Partners (the company that owns the Dakota Access Pipeline), was nominated as the Energy Secretary. Trump also nominated Scott Pruitt to be the new head of the EPA; Pruitt said that “hydraulic fracking, a technological innovation that has done more to reduce carbon emissions in this country than any other technological advancement of our time.” No really—that’s what he said. He also wrote a letter to Obama In 2012, Pruitt and Republican Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal wrote a letter to President Obama asking to eliminate a Bureau of Land Management proposal that requires oil companies to disclose the chemicals used in fracking operations on Native American land.

These cats want to separate Native people from our lands and mineral resources. It’s westward expansion, manifest destiny! Again.

Even Trump’s Indian Advisor, Markwayne Mullin (Cherokee Nation), tells us that’s the goal. “We should take tribal land away from public treatment. As long as we can do it without unintended consequences, I think we will have broad support around Indian country.”

AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster

Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla. (Trump’s Indian Advisor) speaks on Capitol Hill in Washington.

Yeah, that couldn’t be a bad idea, could it? Last time that happened (Dawes Allotment Act of 1887), over 60 million acres of Native lands were designated as “surplus” and stolen from Native hands.

Fortunately, it’s a Native who has this idea this time—maybe that makes it better.

Additionally, the newest nominee for Secretary of the Interior, Ryan Zinke, also is a believer in extracting our mineral resources in any way possible. “Fracking is safe and not a threat to clean and safe water. The only question that remains is why did it take so long?” No, he really said that. In regards to a rule that limited emissions and flares in gas and oil development, Zinke said, “This rule is a stark reminder that we need to invest in infrastructure projects like the Keystone pipeline, so we don’t need to flare excess gas.” Importantly, Zinke also is not quite a climate change denier—he’s a climate change agnostic. “It’s not a hoax, but it’s not proven science either. But you don’t dismantle America’s power and energy on a maybe. We need to be energy independent first. We need to do it better, which we can, but it is not a settled science.”

AP Photo/Matthew Brown
In this photo taken Oct. 20, 2016, Republican U.S. Rep. Ryan Zinke speaks with a supporter in Billings, Montana.

Folks like Zinke only see tribal lands as a place to extract natural resources. Nothing more.

Obviously Rex Tillerson is the high priest of extracting fossil fuels, but Trump’s entire cabinet should be taken as a declaration of war on the earth, the environment and, very importantly, Indian Country.

Here’s what’s going to happen: Trump prides himself on being a “dealmaker.” He’s going to get his Cabinet to call their oil company friends to cut deals with economically struggling Native Nations that are energy rich. One of his energy hungry cronies will go, for example, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe or the Northern Cheyenne Tribe or the Navajo Tribe, and say, “You have 70 or 75 or 80% unemployment. We’re going to cut a deal with you so that we bring in developers to exploit this oil or coal or natural gas that you have. In exchange, you will get a higher percentage than tribes used to get.” Or alternatively, those companies buy enough individual parcels of land that they can force the sale because it’s private now. But now, because the land is private, they do not have to deal with demonstrations like in Standing Rock. They own the land outright.

As my brilliant sister Winona LaDuke says, “Predatory Economics.”

If those Tribes enter into those agreements, those tribes have willingly entered into agreements that preclude any legal claim to stopping development.

These folks are going to come to us, to make deals with us, but make no mistake: they are not our friends. Of course I’m not comparing Trump to Hitler, but we can either wait—as Prime Minister Chamberlain unfortunately did with the Fuhrer—and find out later.

Or we can realize right now that they are coming for our land, our resources, and the effect on our sovereignty and our communities’ health are an afterthought. If we plan to keep fighting for those things, there will be no peace for our time.

Gyasi Ross, Editor at Large
Blackfeet Nation/Suquamish Territories

I hate to like this post but I so appreciate you sharing truth! Are the veterans still showing up for peacefull protest? These protest are spreading to major cities and more protest are happening at many pipeline projects...

 

[jumpincactus]

I hate to like this post but I so appreciate you sharing truth! Are the veterans still showing up for peacefull protest? These protest are spreading to major cities and more protest are happening at many pipeline projects...

Most of the vets went home after the USACOE announced the permit stay. It is a ploy. Think about it. It took months to mobilize and setup this protest and now with a large portion gone and as the brutal winter rolls in they hope they will all leave so they dont face the same resistance as before.

I, in my heart of hearts, I believe once Trump gets sworn in, he will flatten any resistance. I have a bad feeling about whats coming.

 

[NightsWatch]

Now i am not here to stir up the pot or anything but i start to wonder wow i mean History has lied to us , in the cowboy and indian thing ..
Propaganists use what ever means they can to do there best to push there movement.
Everyone is crying over this when in reality which pipeline are they talking about.



pipelines are pretty much the safest way to move oil .
Its a win win for everyone , But not these people they just want to be opposite.
And the sad truth is the pipeline is not going in there reserve.
But hey waste your resources on a losing battle right ??? you cannot stop progress
Example : a friend living on outskirts of city where city imposed to build highway and other things gave buddy above average price on his property quote. meanwhile he refused they sent him warnings etc 2 years later a eviction notice an a cheque well below previous offer ..
Meaning you may own the land but not mineral rights there fore they can and will evict you , Sad but true usually they offer you big money
One should be smart to take it fight them 100 percent you will lose in the long run :)

But back to this thread
It costs 12 dollars to transport a barrel of oil? with pipe line it would cost 6.00 so the state saves money which in turn goes back into the state for roadways education and other infrastructures. and yes even schooling for two feathers :)

And on closing note accidents do happen in all fields of energy etc I have driven throught hundreds of reserves or should i say garbage dumps they blame everything on the white man meanwhile they would rather spend there last 20 bucks on a bottle of whiskey then feed there own kids pushing them into a life of crime its white mans fault yup even today right ???

meanwhile the kids form gangs get into opiods and crime

 

[NightsWatch]

Every one tends to think the indians are with one of the earth again another fairy tale and myth but people brain washed into thinking that shit is beyond me
"The Indians were, in truth, the pioneer ecologists of this country,
"I think most people in Indian country hold a set of ideals we should all learn from, these ideals teach human harmony with the natural environment. Hog wash

Calling for an environmental ethic patterned after that of Native Americans, Senator John H. Chafee recently quoted words allegedly spoken by Chief Seattle: "Man did not weave the web of life. He is merely a strand of it."
Appealing as this image of a Native American environmental ethic is, it is not accurate. The spiritual connection attributed to Native Americans frequently does not mesh with the history of Indian resource use. By focusing on this myth instead of reality, environmentalists patronize American Indians, disparaging their rich institutional heritage which encouraged resource conservation. By missing this history of Indian institutions, the environmentalists' interpretation deprives Indians and non-Indians alike of a full understanding of how we can conserve our natural heritage.

 

[NightsWatch]

For example, where land was abundant, it made sense to farm extensively and move on.

It was common for Indians such as the Choctaw, Iroquois, and Pawnee to clear land for farming by cutting and burning forests. Once cleared, fields were farmed extensively until soil fertility was depleted; then they cleared new lands and started the process again (see White and Cronon 1988, 419-21).
From New England to the Southwest, wherever Indian populations were dense and farming was intense, deforestation was common. Indeed, the mysterious departure of the Anasazi from the canyons of southeastern Utah in the thirteenth century may have been due to depletion of wood supplies used for fuel (see Ambler 1989).
Similarly, where game was plentiful, Indians used only the choicest cuts and left the rest.

When buffalo were herded over cliffs, tons of meat were left to rot or to be eaten by scavengers (see Baden, Stroup, and Thurman 1981).
Samuel Hearne, a fur trader near Hudson's Bay, recorded in his journal in the 1770s that the Chipewayan Indians would slaughter large numbers of caribou and muskox, eat only a few tongues, and leave the rest to rot.
Indians also manipulated the land to improve hunting.

Upland wooded areas from east to west were burned to remove the undergrowth and increase forage for deer, elk, and bison. Indeed, because of this burning, there may have been fewer "old growth" forests in the Pacific Northwest when the first Europeans arrived than there are today.
In some cases, however, the improvements sought by burning were short term because these human-caused fires altered the succession of forests. In the Southeast, for example, oak and hickory forests with a higher carrying capacity for deer were displaced by fire-resistant longleaf pine which supported only limited wildlife.
Generally, the demand for meat, hides, and furs by relatively small, dispersed populations of Indians put little pressure on wildlife. But, in some cases game depletion resulted from what is known as the "tragedy of the commons." This term, coined by biologist Garrett Hardin, describes what happens when no one has ownership of a resource and anyone has access to it.

Wild animals represented a "commons." They belonged to no one until they were killed. If anyone left an animal, in the hope that it would be there later, someone else was likely to kill it. Without ownership, no one had an incentive to protect the animals. Thus, they were overhunted, and wildlife populations fell.

Anthropologist Paul Martin (1968 and 1984) believes that the extinction of the mammoth, mastodon, ground sloth, and the saber-toothed cat were directly or indirectly due to "prehistoric overkill" by exceptionally competent hunters.

 

[jumpincactus]

Holy fucking shit!!! Did you really say that?And are these really your beliefs? If so you and I have nothing further to talk about.

 

[Psychonaut47]

Holy fucking shit!!! Did you really say that?And are these really your beliefs? If so you and I have nothing further to talk about.

@nightwatch is the kinda pilgrim sent west as a buffer in between the conquered natives and conquers of western civilisation, this kind of ignorance is what fed savage injun propagonda, equivalent to feeder madness propaganda, THOSE type of people should not have platform to spew their verbal diarrhea....reminds me of the type a person that constantly starts out messages with the words "trust me...I promise...and I'm not here to stir shit but let me shit on your thoughts don't mind me"