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I think I finally understand. Use mutants for breeding. Instead of breeding 2 "normal" parents to get (hopefully) a desired result - we can use the mutants to eliminate negative traits thus giving us the desired result. It seems a backwards way of doing it at first but I can definitely see how it works. Our first instinct is to dump mutants. But there are some things we can never truly lock down using "normal" plants.
Yup, your pretty close about mutants..... have patients with this finally,,, this will not be my usual convoluted stuff .. this will have recipes and complete notes,,, granted, you're not going to get all the info from a class but this last part of the thcfarmer lecture notes will make clear the ability and understanding of the EMB/emb genetic designations, I show if a person desires how to do it yourself with the help of google cuz you're not in class... But a better point is to understand it.
I'm even going to pass a Little bit about cannabis pod and seed dissection, not much but a little and we will have a mild understanding of hairless gene breeding. Well see how to use this skill to help us narrow are quest for Dom & REC in hermies and the like...
A microscope 20x to perform but not to follow along and learn , zad no test tubes or petri dishes needed to follow along...
 
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Sorry , My ethics primer would make these terms and concepts make this much easier to comprehend and save lots of google searches but the powers to be didnt like the facts about this data so lets hope they dont pull it down.

We'll be talking lots about aborted babies, dead embryos and the like. This next pic is one that I'm going to talk about and is very important for controlling and understanding hermies in on our seed stock and dead embryos and babies.

This is the same for cannabis hermys, hairless gene, and we can use the dead baby ratio to figure Dom and Rec in plants and animals. Dont try to consume this all at once. I will be going over this slide for the next few posts, and I'll come back to this one and another slide that pertains this detail and offers some worthy breeding skills.

@MandyJane , the odds are good that Bonnie will not have dead babies. look at the chart
@epitome when I was describing this in hermy breeding I was using a 3 letter designations, opps... 4 letter are the way to go.
I'll be going over this in great detail. To the untrained eye, If the mind doenst see the punnett chart yet. I welcome you to play around with letters in a punnett chart. These letters can be replaced for Hermys. more on that later.. Ive talked with many growers/breeders that say, my seeds have never bred to make Hermys. Here is one way that explains why you never had hermys. We can start figure out if our hermy gene is Dom or Rec by dead babies and seed embryos to mutant ratios.

If you dont see that this is heterozygous breeding yet , if dont see the punnett chart in your mind yet, if dont see the hermy gene yet, if your like, how the hell does dead babies and dead embryos tell me about Dom and Rec,
Dont worry, I'm spending time here cause this concept is important ! If we dont understand how homosexual, bi sexual, transsexual work in our genes yet, hang tight, i'll try to explain this slide and concept slowly. We will not go into HS level stuff, DNA Slabs or College level splices or anything like that, this will be Jr H level.

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The punnett chart and this photo reveal a 50% hair gene and 50% hairless and no dead babies. Heterozygous
 
for the sake of discussion I'd say the hairless gene would be described as a mutant. When we see mutant embryos we should keep in mind the survival rate for mutants is very low. Most of them would not survive in nature.

When working with mutants we dont know the outcome of many traits for the organism or do we?
These photo are for mind stimulation and a comical representation of mutants. All organism in the next 2 photos are real,
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Bonnie F1 pup,,,, so cute
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I offer free Chinese Crested dog care but ppl wont let me dog sit their Cresteds. I dont know why?

so my ethics primer was removed, now you have to digest this, Yes I will twist your minds... @MandyJane if the pups came out cute like these LinoPups would you still love my F2 Linopups...?
Note: F2s start show variation, Fat one far right, the one to the left is more primate playing with his toes trying to get moms attention, kwel huh?.
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Okay,, you're thinkN this shit is Fake... Think again Homies,,, look at my Mentor's work

This is real, the first ever Pig/Human hybrid Man bear pig was created a few days ago,,, you can google if you dont believe me...

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for the sake of discussion I'd say the hairless gene would be described as a mutant. When we see mutant embryos we should keep in mind the survival rate for mutants is very low. Most of them would not survive in nature.

When working with mutants we dont know the outcome of many traits for the organism or do we?
These photo are for mind stimulation and a comical representation of mutants. All organism in the next 2 photos are real,
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I offer free Chinese Crested dog care but ppl wont let me dog sit their Cresteds. I dont know why?

so my ethics primer was removed, now you have to digest this, Yes I will twist your minds... @MandyJane if the pups came out cute like these LinoPups would you still love my F2 Linopups...?
Note: F2s start show variation, Fat one far right, the one to the left is more primate playing with his toes trying to get moms attention, kwel huh?.
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Okay,, you're thinkN this shit is Fake... Think again Homies,,, look at my Mentor's work

This is real, the first ever Pig/Human hybrid Man bear pig was created a few days ago,,, you can google if you dont believe me...

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And everyone thought my 4 azz monkey was fake.
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Hypothetically; What I found fascination about the 2nd photo is the human genitalia, Will she have a human orgasm and human reproductive system or will her sexual reproduction be of the other species or sterile.
 
Lets Recap
Starting from Tread #58. If you studying this "Breeding for Mutants and Gene Designation" here are some important terms you guys will need to follow along.

recessive embryo-defective (emb) mutants - dont worry to much about this term yet . I will be going over this .

Mustard, Broccoli, Peas, - these will be our test models due the speed of Lino's 35 Day Wonder Plants and the fact that siliques make for an easy demonstration fo defective embryos.

Does Cannabis have siliques? For this topic I say Yes, Disclaimer: but if you answer yes on your HS or College horticulture exam to this questions the instructor will most likely mark that answer as incorrect. But most plants have some sort of seed pod and seed Grouping systems.
Now I'm out on a Limb here, you wont find this on the Internet, in text books, this is Lino tek tip stuff in this paragraph here.Grouping Systems: So how does cannabis have a Grouping systems that compares to a siliques?
Answer Buds are the cannabis siliques. Buds are the seed Grouping systems for cannabis. This is important as this is mother nature way of breeding. We do it also. We'll pollinate a bud and store the seed in a separate container. More on this in up and coming threads. So does your female cannabis plants. You will see in the breeding demo how this is done with siliques. And we all ready do this with our buds but Hopefully you're about to see new tips and tricks to help us along in our breeding projects.

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Chinese Crested dogs , This dog breeding experiment correlates a real simple concept in cannabis breeding, a way to find our Hermaphrodite traits and chart it. Dont worry about understanding this yet, I will go over this with more charts. And

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more recap soon, before we continue.....
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more terms will be covered and needed .
 
just asking but you are aware that the 3rd photo in your posts where you describe the fat one and the primate one that that's from an artists show right? i was confused if you were claiming that particular photo as real or not.
 
just asking but you are aware that the 3rd photo in your posts where you describe the fat one and the primate one that that's from an artists show right? i was confused if you were claiming that particular photo as real or not.

Please read again!

I clarified authentic photo's in the 5th sentence, on the 4th line , thread #63. You just got a "F" . You Failed to read instructions and follow the course study outline. Well , I went back I forgot to put my disClaimer : Makes me skeptical, Ive had my thread edited by someone other than myself before so I dont know how my disclaimer got left out. You know I'm joking rite?,,, I glad you clarify this before the kids attacked me.

DISCLAIMER !

75% of this tutorial is part of common college class- copy & paste. I have refined this course to include details specific to cannabis.
 
Please read again!

I clarified authentic photo's in the 5th sentence, on the 4th line , thread #63. You just got a "F" . You Failed to read instructions and follow the course study outline. Well , I went back I forgot to put my disClaimer : Makes me skeptical, Ive had my thread edited by someone other than myself before so I dont know how my disclaimer got left out. You know I'm joking rite?,,, I glad you clarify this before the kids attacked me.

DISCLAIMER !

75% of this tutorial is part of common college class- copy & paste. I have refined this course to include details specific to cannabis.

thanks for answering your answer was kind of what i thought was going on or something like that. i was asking purely out of genuine curiosity and not for any alterior motive.
 
thanks for answering your answer was kind of what i thought was going on or something like that. i was asking purely out of genuine curiosity and not for any alterior motive.
Thanks for that comment.

Those slides on thread #63 have more purpose than entertainment. I will go over them in more detail again as part of my recap before moving on with this lecture note dump. The Artist definitely understood inheritance and F2 science huh? I guess that would be what adds to the quality of the art. I'm still waiting to be called out on the 2nd pic tho, Its real! But my Bonnie F1 pup was a joke to a Chinese Crested breeder that I'm helping.
 
I googled the man/pig hybrid. I did NOT doubt you Lino, I just wanted to learn some more about it. They put some human CELLS in the pig embryo so it would grow as a chimera. That's not the same as a hybrid cross where genetic info is exchanged and mixed inside the cells. Very cool stuff but I don't think we could call it breeding - wouldn't it be closer to grafting in plants?
However, for the purpose of this post/lesson, I can see why you included it. Embryo survival rate was VERY low. You are so right - mother nature hits the self-destruct button on anything too much out of the ordinary - usually at the embryo stage (self-aborted babies).

And for anyone outraged by this kind of stuff - they did NOT allow the embryos to go full term. There is no secret island somewhere full of man-pigs. This was done for the purpose of trying to grow human organs in pigs (for transplant patients).

Lino - Please keep going and don't give up on us! Thank you so much for the info you are posting!!
 
I googled the man/pig hybrid. I did NOT doubt you Lino, I just wanted to learn some more about it. They put some human CELLS in the pig embryo so it would grow as a chimera. That's not the same as a hybrid cross where genetic info is exchanged and mixed inside the cells. Very cool stuff but I don't think we could call it breeding - wouldn't it be closer to grafting in plants?
However, for the purpose of this post/lesson, I can see why you included it. Embryo survival rate was VERY low. You are so right - mother nature hits the self-destruct button on anything too much out of the ordinary - usually at the embryo stage (self-aborted babies).

And for anyone outraged by this kind of stuff - they did NOT allow the embryos to go full term. There is no secret island somewhere full of man-pigs. This was done for the purpose of trying to grow human organs in pigs (for transplant patients).

Lino - Please keep going and don't give up on us! Thank you so much for the info you are posting!!
Thks Mama,
When I try to conversant with Dr's on these subjects, the topics are not on our subjects of interests and I really dont have the background to express myself properly to them and that frustrate the shit out of them, especially when I'm rite on rare occasions.

My threads, my teaching style, my core essence is to create DOUBT, you are now a scientist as you have just offered your tutorial to me. This is what create, athletes and scientist. Thank you for your class Essay on
""human CELLS in the pig embryo so it would grow as a chimera""
This is what I want peeps to do, google me.................. When in doubt google,,,, I was told that I came from a monkey in Grade skool. Ive been googling ever since, and those smart ppl in 5th grade told me monkey shit and down played God,,, I told em they were WRONG, I told we ate the Neanderthal, I didnt relize we took their women too. But those smart ppl hate it when I'm rite... Those pics and my lay out on Thread #63 was meant to do just that,,,

But I sense some hidden prejudices Mama, You objected to pig ppl..Man Bear Pigs.. Is that like objecting to a race? You're going to tell me you obj to the science of man/pigs, not the Man Bear Pig race.
I'd reply,,, your point is mute,,, the mutants are here, we dont know it yet,,, Now what??,,, you going to kill em like a Nazi... Thats what I mean???,, you hate em already,,, U cant use the science excuse any longer,,,
I'm teasing for the sake of educational debate to lead into my instructional point,,,

The baby pigs are F2's,,,, BUT MAMABEAR in your essay that you taught us- that the F1 baby was terminated early in the real human pig,,, I like to use the word ABORTED, Its more appropriate in the name of science and this lesson. SO back to ethics,,, its okay to kill it before its born in the name of science? but than I exploit that and I say, just after or at birth we'll kill it??,,, I mean whats the line for Aborting the baby, after all- it one of those dam Man Bear Pigs??? Lets just raise it before it can talk , Then we'll kill it.... I'm messing with you and the audience,,, I have a strong feeling that animal/human hybrids exist rite now in cages, morbid but its happening.... I've embraced Lizard man aliens, I'm ready for Man Bear Pigs. but killing em once I see a human in them WOW, stop and look at that baby pic holding his toes trying to get moms attentions, that your great Grand Son, Okay MamaBear, drop the hammer on his head. kill him.... He just a Man Bear Pig freak.

Yup MamaBear, women have more parental instincts so this ethics warp should really strike a cord with you after looking at the 1/2 baby/pig.... and member I'm teasing for the sake of education...

Ethics was not the point
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Slide #63

For those who dont grasp these terms yet- Our minds , many of us are breeders and understand heterozygote and homozygotes and some of us just dont understand these terms yet but you will soon.
Our minds, we see crosses and we dont realize that we are great breeders..... You tell me why Mamabear speculated that those 3 little human/pigs would be of human and pig... And so did the rest of you speculate that they were Man/Pigs... I might have made scientist out of many of you who expanded your minds with google and saved my fingers the typing.
Many of us saw the variance and we also looked for human and pig traits, ... Dont lie, your mind did if you dont realize it.
Now for us breeders, admit it,,, you wanted to cross the baby Man Bear Pigs Huh,? that would be a freak show... The traits, Geneotypes would separate and we could get shit all over the board,,, human head with pig and tails, smart ones, oikers,, the shit would be a breeder delight until we saw the emotions,,,, OPPs!
But the point was your mind even understands Dominance Dom, DOM in breeding, your mind was looking for it in the baby pigs,,t trust me , your mind was,,, Dont believe me. than explain the 2nd photo in in Slide #63, THAT IS A REAL ORGANISM ! So when your mind looks at it, (especially knowing it came from Lino) it could be anything but your mind is looking for familiar traits and with Lino, you're thinking are those Human Arms and legs?, Is that a human torso? You're looking for familiar animal traits to convince your mind of the Lino breeding lessons and breeding lessons you have learned through out life experiences, Well Lino just gave you guys another breeding mind lesson.
You have an understanding of heterozygote and homozygotes , my ethics primer was taken down or you'd be an expert already and I wouldnt be leading you with mind cookies. In the next overview recap of some posted threads with slides- we'll see how these words (heterozygote and homozygotes), are already understood by many of us and many of you incorporate these zygosities understanding in to your breeding regimes and dont realize it. There are some parts of this lesson that might help you make better breeding charts if you're not already doing so....
 
@MamaBear I'm going to send the tutorial and another surprise to you in a PM... I dont think anyone is as interested as you were about my hermy information,.

I'm going to switch gears again. I stopping with the tutorial and I'm posting the world Largest Plant Database for a client and I thought I'd offer it as a FREE download for you guys. Ive combined the largest databases to create a plant database with over 100.000 plant species. I should have this compiled for you guys by late tonight.
 
Next up ,,,,,, CALLING ALL FARMERS ! ! ! Colorado Legal Growers and Breeders and you're friends are welcome to join. Lets not talk public about passing genes, crosses of plants are fine to talk about but lets not be like:
Hey homies send me 10 of Pre-98 beans and I'll send you back my pollen, Lets not do that.... Farm rules ....
If mods dont complain : I think the

The Fat Leaf Breeding Project

The standard AT THIS POINT is leaning toward the Bubba Katsu . We are breeding Bubba Kush cultivars. HOWEVER as the title implies this is the FAT LEAF Breeding Project so all Fatso's are welcome... Heck I know you guys will be crossing up with some skinnys but were looking for that FAT LEAF Male and Female.

I'll prob make a new thread but we got some nice plants coming in.

2 rough life Pre-98's came in, F clones.

NL #1 - just came in, Stellar, just showed, Female - famous ol time breeder, seed. freakN mouth watering...

Cavemandica4.20 seeds just came in.

Cavemandica4.20 plant from seed just came in, Nice seedling lime green with Hot Pink stems... she stood the sun all day. I'm liking this one too.

@BigBeeBud , hope I got the name rite,,, are U in????? I need our Katsu in ion this , we're counting on you. do you feel guilt and pressure, lol... I finding a good Male for her and I got the pedigree expert guys looking for us...

I got my Ed Rosenthal CherryBomb Indica back... cut and 2 seeds. :)

@MandyJane Pressures on Those Lino GirlScouts are part of the project, They're VERY important to this project.

@MandyJane cut both males, even tho they're stinky and strong and look fat,,, they have to much sativa for this project and the lines have not been tested for breeding, I bred your plants for smoke and its not tested. You can cut all the ball off to save the leaves for your art project , BUT WATCH IT CLOSE and keep em away from the garden and chop asap.

I found my Incredible Hulk Seed packets, Even tho she a bad Azz plant she pheno's Purp and Incredible Hulk Grn,,,IDK

And we have another additional breeder who is going to show pics of his Fattest Indica plant soon, IDK if he joined the Farm yet
 
Yesterday work:
no time to make a new breeding thread yet.
a.Caveman4.20; his Cavemandica4.20 plant is Dominating the seedling and clones.
b.Garden Work and journal.
c.Downtown trip to dispense- picked up Gorilla Glue seeds for Fat Leaf Plant Project.
d.Seed Charting and Seed Classification mtg for beginner breeders to the Fat Leaf Plant Project.
e.A New grower might be adding a some gene lines to the Fat Leaf Breeding Project.
f.Old Timer might add some genetics.
g.Germ GorillaGlue and Cavemandica4.20 seeds not completed
h.Talked all nite with a famous breeder about the Fat Leaf Breeding Project (may not work, he wanted contract and I got to many Farmer gear to pull that off but we're still talking.)
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I will be certifying this round of genetics free.

:nailbiting: Scalpel and surgical gloves in hand. I dont have enough seed to dissect this Cavemandica strain... :inpain:

I had many ppl get confused at scoped seed pics... When you hold packs of seed you can tell the difference between strains by the PACK of seeds usually. But when you look at a seed closely each one has individual characteristics and personality and starts to reveals its pedigree by its shell and seed pods (grouping) organization (buds seed organizations). When you think about it , if you do this enough, yes, the patterns can be put in a punnett and pedigree charts

this strain bred by @cave Caveman4.20.

Okay before we get started today let me explain the breeding tek by the Caveman Crew. This is Vague because I didnt do the breeding. The questions I ask to Seed Breeder(s) are very important and ive designed my questions to exploit the pedigree Truth and to come in conversation , not with pencil and paper questions. Ive asked and designed these questions for decades. It seems like everywhere I g o I get handed seeds so I got 1000's of seed packets I have not tested yet. So my new rule of thumb is not to catalog those pack and spend my time certifing the strains I'm currently working with.
Pheno vs Genotype: many look for this One Good plant or maybe 3 good Pheno's out of 10 seeds . What if you could find the Pheno's in the seed packets before you Germ? What if you were able to chart the Genotypes before germ?
The CaveMan's Crew used a breeding style that is not used much in cannabis anymore. I want to even say its rare to see this breeding style. :happy: Ive been looking for this . I have some seed packs of mine but they're old seeds and old strains that were bred this way. I dont not get handed this many seeds , bred this style in this era of seed strains, its getting rare to see this style breeding diversity technique. LUV IT ! While everyone breeding into F1 - F2 - F3 genepool you guys bred out of it. The vigor is showing!
Cavemandica #1 is out performing clones and other seedling leaving them in the shade of sht Fat wide leafs. The diversity vigor is becoming obvious... CMdica was in the ICU CO2 moisture tent. CMdica was like; get me the fuck out here and put me in the sun. While clones and seedlings recover in ICU from rough journeys and rough transport life CMdica is outside in 62' in the wind luving it.
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You would Not notice this until you put these seeds under a scope or intensely stare w 20/20 - 15 vision. We've seen these seeds characteristics in more pronounce feature in seeds of yesteryear or in our seed banks.

governed by the shell thickness gene (Sh) plays a major role in identification of fruit and bud type and also influences resin oil yield. Identification of desired bud and fruit type is a major asset to the breeders and CBD and resin terps oil workers for applications in breeding, seed certification and to reduce time, space and money spent on identification of bud and fruit form. In the present study, we (not me smart ppl) have developed Sh gene specific primer pairs and bulk segregant analysis was done using 300 genomic and 8 genic SSR markers. But I'm dont need to do all this to breed some bud....

I found those Cannabis helmet seeds in the Caveman4.20 thus far the helmet are 2 carpal seeds. But I'm looking for 3 carpal cannabis seeds, rare now days
Back in the day we had lots of Slees Stack Helmets, Spanish Conquistador helmets, the Romulan helmet (star trek). Some of these strains produce 3 carpal seeds, not the standard 2 carpal seeds.

This is ""Caveman4.20 Tiger Helmet"" in my personal grow journal for seed certification. This one is will Not get moisture on this run. I like that color tho... 2 carpal
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Bingo, hit an ancestor to a 3 carpal strain or strain(S), Wont get into scientific part name But you know it a Conquistador 3 carpal when you find dirty big seed whole. This leads to infection of pathogens tho... She will get Germ but I bet this one germ into a 2 carpel seed but I can see the old skool Conquistador Helmet gene in this seed.

With than said, the shell does not always tell you the exact pheno or genotype like scientist want to believe with cannabis. Now remember looking at the bag of seed will take VERY CLOSE observation so any of these seed shell traits without a scope.
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This is very hard to see but it has the helmet trait. It better observed by trying to balance the seed for the photo. I call it Fat bottom girls seeds, my superstition that many of these helmets that have Fat bottoms are Females. Who doesnt like Fat Bottom Girls? Who? I might germ her, only 3 helmets are getting Germ'd.

Still got the baby chord
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You'll Start seeing mermaids if you stare at seeeds to long, Fat bottoms are usually girls, IDK some fool ya and are boys. What ya think, is she a a Girl?
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Bingo, this one will be Germ'd, This one, ""Princess Perfect Lips"", Nice specimen ! I havent had a chance to study these pics until just now, I glanced as I took the photo's and discuss'd with fellow breeders.
This could be my 3 carpal helmet that Ive been looking for .

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From the ol Slee Stack seeds, she's carrying the old color too.
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Peeled in side out this would make a 3 petal flower.
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I'll post more seed later, I'm starting to hallucinate on Fat Bottom girls...

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