Stop The Bro Science Behind Molasses And Other Organic Stuff

[brazel]

More organic stuff... malted barley for the win

 

[brazel]

Yeah that was me. :smoking: I don't agree with ppl who don't grow but research the piss out of it and takes every ones opinions and growing styles without ever growing a plant. I have seen it time and again, and sorry to you all but pics or it doesnt happen ;) not past ones just present ones.
And I'm glad @brazel that your preaching organic at least.

I typically grow twice a year. I always keep my soil alive and healthy. I have no need to grow year round, it's just for personal, to gift out and to trade with grow buddies.
I alternate from growing herb to fun guy.
And it's fun guy time. I'm also currently mixing up some compost, amendments and minerals to run through my worm for baller Vermicompost.

I don't agree with what you say... maybe some people aren't in a spot to grow or are intimidated by the harsh laws or something else. Maybe they get their fix by reading and talking in these forums.
I can't fault anyone for doing the best they can in the situation their in.

Then you have other people who don't grow, live with parents, read high times and give advice... that's where I do agree with you.

That's two different types, one only wants to feed their ego, the other would love to grow but can't atm.

Even know I disagree with something you say, I hold no ill feelings towards you!

 

[brazel]

This mvthafvcker must think it's organic day

 

[brazel]

Keep it coming love, don't stop!
More organic, not sure if any of these are considered bro science

 

[brazel]

I get it bro. I'm passionate as well. Check my diary. Basically a shout out to all the naysayers in my last post. I've even been told I spread misinformation yet look here.
I will end up spending $400 out the door for this grow.

Dude I was actually made fun of for fade. Lmfao

What's the height difference in your canopies? What lights you use, brand, wattage, hps or mh?
How high you keep them?
Do you have multiple lights to compensate for the difference in your canopy?
Light meter?
How do you like the geo pot bed?
Jeremy at BAS wanted me to use one about four years ago, my only issue was the depth... like ten inches, right?

And quit worrying about your fungus gnats bro! I read about people doing root drench, let soil dry, put sand on top, buying gnat nix ... none of those I'd recommend, microbe btI with your watering and don't worry about them... but yes I know they're annoying. The BTI will keep their populations in check.

Otherwise you're gonna drive yourself crazy!

Like I did trying to get rid of them

 

[Organikz]

What's the height difference in your canopies? What lights you use, brand, wattage, hps or mh?
How high you keep them?
Do you have multiple lights to compensate for the difference in your canopy?
Light meter?
How do you like the geo pot bed?
Jeremy at BAS wanted me to use one about four years ago, my only issue was the depth... like ten inches, right?

And quit worrying about your fungus gnats bro! I read about people doing root drench, let soil dry, put sand on top, buying gnat nix ... none of those I'd recommend, microbe btI with your watering and don't worry about them... but yes I know they're annoying. The BTI will keep their populations in check.

Otherwise you're gonna drive yourself crazy!

Like I did trying to get rid of them

You're right. Plants could suffer. I did get a 16oz pack of og biowar. Not overstepping my normal routine. But I may drop a tea down the crown this weekend.

I have dual phantom 315. I have to keep them both at the ceiling or they burn the plants. The geopot is 12".

 

[Organikz]

@MirrorZen
I get it. Radical ideas are met with much resistance. I think your opinion gauges a little better than what I've delt with. At least you're an organic grower. I've had non organic gardeners try to school me.

People do what you're talking about? Sounds like a waste of time to do a bunch of research for nothing.

 

[Organikz]

Keep it coming love, don't stop!
More organic, not sure if any of these are considered bro science

Do you use pumice or red lava rock? Also here's another thing that's been knocking on my head. Is there a need to ever add aeration?

Over time as my organic matter is worked the lava rock will settle to the bottom. By this time wouldn't soil life take the job of keeping soil aerated? I pull my mulch back and my soil moves. Lol. Spring tails, rove beetles, hyoaspis miles, soil mites, worms.

 

[jewsh808]

Just don't use it in teas, don't need to add any simple sugars to teas, simple sugars just feed bacteria. I'd take whatever recipe you're using(keep it to 3 or 4 ingredients max) and brew and water!

I like to mix myco powder and Azos into my soil, can the first few waterings be with molasses to feed those microbes?? I've never done molasses waterings...is there synthetic type molasses? Also do synthetic ferts ruin soil microbes and bacteria? Hope I don't catch hate but I use Dyna Gro sometimes in veg

 

[Organikz]

I like to mix myco powder and Azos into my soil, can the first few waterings be with molasses to feed those microbes?? I've never done molasses waterings...is there synthetic type molasses? Also do synthetic ferts ruin soil microbes and bacteria? Hope I don't catch hate but I use Dyna Gro sometimes in veg

Recommended is unsulfured blackstrap. Fulvic acid and aloe would get you to the formula 1 status. I dont do teas. Again i do slurries. Bubble 12 hours but I top dress dregs so nothing is wasted

 

[Hpo777]

I like to mix myco powder and Azos into my soil, can the first few waterings be with molasses to feed those microbes?? I've never done molasses waterings...is there synthetic type molasses? Also do synthetic ferts ruin soil microbes and bacteria? Hope I don't catch hate but I use Dyna Gro sometimes in veg

No hate at all, sometimes people either d ont know or d ont care....either way most of us are very open minded lol

But to answer your question about syn ferts ruining soil and microbes...YES! It turns soil into dirt and by definition dirt means no life(no microbes) which is why synthetic guys feed WAY more than us no till or rols guys. Not to mention we save ALOT of money!(upfront cost are a little more but down the line cheap). You ruin your soil and start killing off your microbial population, hence why you see those lacking minerals or what have you so fast. Where as my soil works together with the microbes so they help each other. I havent had any odd lack since I went organic. Where as before CalMg was a common one along with "nute burn", I haven't burned a plant in so long haha and I've heavy fed on accident.

 

[oldskol4evr]

Keep it coming love, don't stop!
More organic, not sure if any of these are considered bro science

i use the shit out of oyster shell flour,crab meal,alfalfa,love the stuff,both for my herb and for the 2 other gardens i have,,love the shit out of it,,the oyster shell is really great for tomoto plants,pretty much stops the blossom end rot from lack of calcium,,and the chiton we all know its benifits,,glad to see you using char,first year for me and im impressed with it,my compost pile has bunchs at the moment,need to stir that shit too,,made some LAB and put the leftover rice and curd in there few weeks ago,got all kinds of love growing in that pile ,been putting it off not wanting to disturbe it,,gonna take some the love and put on a screen over top of bowl,got a huge shroom growing out of a tree and gonna see what kind of love i can get from it and the compost pile love,,i do believe in bottle nutrients,cause i make them and store them there,lol,,got my better organix supplies yesterday and damn the herb was happy bitchs this morning,,foilar with the kamino and even did the sweet taters and potato plants ,the be praying for my brother @Ecompost lol

 

[brazel]

Do you use pumice or red lava rock? Also here's another thing that's been knocking on my head. Is there a need to ever add aeration?

Over time as my organic matter is worked the lava rock will settle to the bottom. By this time wouldn't soil life take the job of keeping soil aerated? I pull my mulch back and my soil moves. Lol. Spring tails, rove beetles, hyoaspis miles, soil mites, worms.

They're both good and give trace elements. Use either. I've used them both.
Over time your soil will compact, the use of worms keeps it aerated they also move the minerals throughout your soil so when you're topdressing they bring it down to the mycelium. Break your crust from topdressing up. Basically the crust acts as a lid, sealing the soil in a way and that's not ideal.

 

[Organikz]

i use the shit out of oyster shell flour,crab meal,alfalfa,love the stuff,both for my herb and for the 2 other gardens i have,,love the shit out of it,,the oyster shell is really great for tomoto plants,pretty much stops the blossom end rot from lack of calcium,,and the chiton we all know its benifits,,glad to see you using char,first year for me and im impressed with it,my compost pile has bunchs at the moment,need to stir that shit too,,made some LAB and put the leftover rice and curd in there few weeks ago,got all kinds of love growing in that pile ,been putting it off not wanting to disturbe it,,gonna take some the love and put on a screen over top of bowl,got a huge shroom growing out of a tree and gonna see what kind of love i can get from it and the compost pile love,,i do believe in bottle nutrients,cause i make them and store them there,lol,,got my better organix supplies yesterday and damn the herb was happy bitchs this morning,,foilar with the kamino and even did the sweet taters and potato plants ,the be praying for my brother @Ecompost lol

I have no doubts in better organix. I almost don't call it bottled. More like prepared nutrients. Hell they're so fresh. They have to be. Haven't been sitting in a southern states warehouse for years.

 

[brazel]

i use the shit out of oyster shell flour,crab meal,alfalfa,love the stuff,both for my herb and for the 2 other gardens i have,,love the shit out of it,,the oyster shell is really great for tomoto plants,pretty much stops the blossom end rot from lack of calcium,,and the chiton we all know its benifits,,glad to see hiyou using char,first year for me and im impressed with it,my compost pile has bunchs at the moment,need to stir that shit too,,made some LAB and put the leftover rice and curd in there few weeks ago,got all kinds of love growing in that pile ,been putting it off not wanting to disturbe it,,gonna take some the love and put on a screen over top of bowl,got a huge shroom growing out of a tree and gonna see what kind of love i can get from it and the compost pile love,,i do believe in bottle nutrients,cause i make them and store them there,lol,,got my better organix supplies yesterday and damn the herb was happy bitchs this morning,,foilar with the kamino and even did the sweet taters and potato plants ,the be praying for my brother @Ecompost lol

Rad man! Although I don't use lab I'm still stoked for you! When you say you make your own bottled nutes, are you talking about a kelp meal tea or similar or sst?
Or do you mean like an actual version of typical grow flower nutes? If it's the typical grow flower nutes then why not just add a couple more things and skip that? Like basalt,gypsum, neem,keep..etc making your own compost is the shit. Only a couple of commercial compost is rad, oly mtn being imo the best. That being said... if you're making your own bottled nutes then high five! You know what's in them! The problem with bought ones is you don't know what's in there and they only label minimum so you don't know what's really in there, not to mention you're force feeding them... kinda like if someone told you what to eat! Cheers on mushrooms growing is good! I'm not familiar with better organix, I'll look them up. And another thing to think about and before I tell you this please understand I don't mean to be rude discouraged or anything like that I believe these forums are to share information to better ourselves.. I believe buying something that's not the actual ingredient shouldn't be considered organic but there is some products that are...i know confusing huh! This guys crazy! I understand! But to understand that more, you need to look at the company. Generally a company you should support is transparent. They have degrees and real info. But wait are you ready for this some actual ingredients are bullshit like dead microbes, mykos mixed with shit...etc I know, I know I'm obviously delusional and don't know anything! And that's the same way these companies think about you!

I looked at better organix, but I already knew I wouldn't support it just by the name. That's me and my opinion, doesn't mean I think negatively about you... to each is their own.
They had a data page with no info but claim in house scientific testing! A lot of their info was true but on every product they never said what the product actually was! Maybe on the bottle it does I don't know they also said you can email them so maybe you can get the data I don't know.
I don't understand most of their products in the world of amending your soil organically, although I do understand them in feeding when you don't have properly amendend soil. In my opinion you're right back to adding bottle after bottle of stuff.

This is just my opinion I'm not trying to bash you or bash them this is just my thoughts.

Another thing to think of is just because you add a product to the plants and they like it doesn't necessarily mean it's beneficial. You give me a soda I'm going to be happy as shit and drink the fuck out of it but I know it's not good for me. A lot of the stuff I write I have a hard time with cuz I know it can be taken as rude but believe me that's not my point or my motive or my desire.

Cheers and regardless of my opinion I'm still stoked for you and to hear about the Amendments you're using and your own compost

 

[brazel]

I have no doubts in better organix. I almost don't call it bottled. More like prepared nutrients. Hell they're so fresh. They have to be. Haven't been sitting in a southern states warehouse for years.

What nutrients do you not have in your soil already!? What's fresher than that? How could anything processed be fresh? I take that back it can be freshly processed!
Just another point of view and questions for my curiosity! And you only learn by questioning at any given moment I can learn something new from my questions and that's rad!
Please don't take this as negative I'm impressed and stoked on your grows

 

[Organikz]

What nutrients do you not have in your soil already!? What's fresher than that? How could anything processed be fresh? I take that back it can be freshly processed!
Just another point of view and questions for my curiosity! And you only learn by questioning at any given moment I can learn something new form my questions and that's rad!
Please don't take this as negative I'm impressed and stoked on your grows

Oh I'm all set. I can run water only. I was just commenting as a recommendation as a bottled nutrient company.

 

[brazel]

Oh I'm all set. I can run water only. I was just commenting as a recommendation as a bottled nutrient company.

I absolutely agree with that if you're using bottle nutes then this company sounds a lot better then most by what I read on their website. But the name better organix is so misleading.

Sorry I didn't realize what you were referencing.

 

[brazel]

Oh I'm all set. I can run water only. I was just commenting as a recommendation as a bottled nutrient company.

I know your style! And methods! High five!
That's why was confused! until I found out it was a recommendation for bottle nutrient.

 

[Organikz]

I absolutely agree with that if you're using bottle nutes then this company sounds a lot better then most by what I read on their website. But the name better organix is so misleading.

Sorry I didn't realize what you were referencing.

@Ecompost owns it. He's not selling snake oil. His product is the next best thing to being a neem oil and worm shit covered mess of buckets for under amended soil. I did however use half leafgrow compost...big mistake. A couple worm teas got it rolling. Should have started with a solid humus source.

I have 2x150g smarties I use as worm farms. I have somewhat of an idea of what is in his products. He's a good dude. He is very passionate.