Stop The Bro Science Behind Molasses And Other Organic Stuff

[Ecompost]

Yeah I personally think it's weird it's like a 1/2 assed amended soil They tell you after a couple weeks you gotta start using nutrients. They add shrimp meal and crab meal! Umm Crustacean meal!?

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well nothing wrong with crabs, unless they are on your genitals, but yeah its standard 4 week juice I reckon. Best bet for young ones is to collect some leaf litter and compost this to a lovely loam. Its free if you can be arsed to collect it from the ground normally.
I wouldn't use it for bloom because of the crab meal etc anyway. I wouldnt use a chitin product after week 3 bloom unless i was using it to foliar my trees and ornamentals ahead of predicted frost. This is why i use organic bio fermented liquids, i can be more controlled about adding them over just lumping it in a pile and hoping its ready when my plant/ weather is

 

[Ecompost]

more reading on Humates from our side

 

[Ecompost]

Why I use Bio Balance Media as my late bloom feed, ensuring a reduction in end product Nitrates

An important quality of humates is their ability to decrease the level of nitrate nitrogen in produce. It was proven by tests on a variety of crops (oats, corn, potatoes, root-crops, lettuce, cucumbers) that humate use decreases the nitrate content by 50% on average.
At the Dnepropetrovsk agricultural institute, field tests were carried out on chernozem. Two crop cultures were tested - corn and barley (as second in the crop rotation). The herbicide atrazine (4 kg per hectare) was used on the corn. The results showed that atrazine reduced the growth of weeds by 80% and increased the crop capacity of the corn by 1. It was also noted that the atrazine content in the final produce decreased by 52%-71%, which made it an ecologically pure produce.

 

[Ecompost]

Why I dont use leonardite forms of humates and instead use Potassium humate salts dissolved in water at 0.01% and foliar applied .
Most of the time, under the term Humate, people understand and distribute raw lignite. The problem is the following: in natural forms Humic acids, being a part of lignites or peat, are always connected in to insoluble forms of calcium, magnesium, aluminum forms, and there they are low biologically active and insoluble. Recommended application norms of those products are close to 2000 lbs an acre. It is simply not practical and economical for most farmers.
They (raw humates) need to be converted into soluble Humates, soluble Chelats or pure Humic Acids to release their biological activity, ergo Bio Balance Media. :)

 

[brazel]

Why I dont use leonardite forms of humates and instead use Potassium humate salts dissolved in water at 0.01% and foliar applied .
Most of the time, under the term Humate, people understand and distribute raw lignite. The problem is the following: in natural forms Humic acids, being a part of lignites or peat, are always connected in to insoluble forms of calcium, magnesium, aluminum forms, and there they are low biologically active and insoluble. Recommended application norms of those products are close to 2000 lbs an acre. It is simply not practical and economical for most farmers.
They (raw humates) need to be converted into soluble Humates, soluble Chelats or pure Humic Acids to release their biological activity, ergo Bio Balance Media. :)

I use bioag which is "basically fossilized peat from broad-leaved freshwater plants" his words.
Dr. Faust from bioag, he's got a lot of good info to read. He talks about some of things you posted.

 

[Ecompost]

I use bioag which is "basically fossilized peat from broad-leaved freshwater plants" his words.
Dr. Faust from bioag, he's got a lot of good info to read. He talks about some of things you posted.

Yes peat is common as a source, in raw state its typically HA bound up with immovable ca or other, As a liquid or powder, its far better

 

[Ecompost]

and, to any and all those who think inoculation of bacteria is a fools game, I offer you science to counter your armpit news :-)
"Although several phosphate solubilizing bacteria occur in soil, usually their numbers are not high enough to compete with other bacteria commonly established in the rhizosphere. Thus, the amount of P liberated by them is generally not sufficient for a substantial increase in in situ plant growth. Therefore, inoculation of plants by a target microorganism at a much higher concentration than that normally found in soil is necessary to take advantage of the property of phosphate solubilization for plant yield enhancement."

-Biotechnology Advances 17 (1999) 319–3390734-9750/99/$–see front matter © 1999 Elsevier Science Inc. All rights reserved. PII: S0734-9750(99)00014-2 Research review paper Phosphate solubilizing bacteria and their role in plant growth promotion -Hilda Rodríguez *, Reynaldo Fraga Department of Microbiology, Cuban Research Institute on Sugarcane By-Products (ICIDCA), P.O. Box 4026, CP 11 000, Havana, Cuba

 

[oldskol4evr]

and, to any and all those who think inoculation of bacteria is a fools game, I offer you science to counter your armpit news :)
"Although several phosphate solubilizing bacteria occur in soil, usually their numbers are not high enough to compete with other bacteria commonly established in the rhizosphere. Thus, the amount of P liberated by them is generally not sufficient for a substantial increase in in situ plant growth. Therefore, inoculation of plants by a target microorganism at a much higher concentration than that normally found in soil is necessary to take advantage of the property of phosphate solubilization for plant yield enhancement."

-Biotechnology Advances 17 (1999) 319–3390734-9750/99/$–see front matter © 1999 Elsevier Science Inc. All rights reserved. PII: S0734-9750(99)00014-2 Research review paper Phosphate solubilizing bacteria and their role in plant growth promotion -Hilda Rodríguez *, Reynaldo Fraga Department of Microbiology, Cuban Research Institute on Sugarcane By-Products (ICIDCA), P.O. Box 4026, CP 11 000, Havana, Cuba

speeking of sugar cane ,did you get a harvest? you know some were i read that water living bacteria was dangerous critters or did i read it wrong again

 

[Ecompost]

speeking of sugar cane ,did you get a harvest? you know some were i read that water living bacteria was dangerous critters or did i read it wrong again

some spiral forms are no so good, but these are rarely present in soils mate.
not yet brother, I am not even planting it till next month, had to get all manner of fencing and stuff done to keep out the dam hogs

 

[oldskol4evr]

some spiral forms are no so good, but these are rarely present in soils mate.
not yet brother, I am not even planting it till next month, had to get all manner of fencing and stuff done to keep out the dam hogs

you dont even notice those bastards till you got land,destructive bull dozers

 

[Ecompost]

you dont even notice those bastards till you got land,destructive bull dozers

They are digging up my fucking truffles and my bio char. I am usually at one with nature, but i am struggling to understand how having repeated visits from hogs, digging the shit out of my land is helping. They leave holes like the fucking place has been bombed, or mines have gone off all over the field. The times i have twisted my fucking ankle, ferreting around a tree, failing to notice the mini sink hole they have fashioned. I will be well rid once the fence goes up buddy. I am using 12 inch iron pegs too, one every 3m should be enough to boost up the weakest points where they might with a lot of effort, dig under. The pegs will prevent this for sure, they are mean and once in, they aint coming out easily.

 

[Organikz]

and, to any and all those who think inoculation of bacteria is a fools game, I offer you science to counter your armpit news :)
"Although several phosphate solubilizing bacteria occur in soil, usually their numbers are not high enough to compete with other bacteria commonly established in the rhizosphere. Thus, the amount of P liberated by them is generally not sufficient for a substantial increase in in situ plant growth. Therefore, inoculation of plants by a target microorganism at a much higher concentration than that normally found in soil is necessary to take advantage of the property of phosphate solubilization for plant yield enhancement."

-Biotechnology Advances 17 (1999) 319–3390734-9750/99/$–see front matter © 1999 Elsevier Science Inc. All rights reserved. PII: S0734-9750(99)00014-2 Research review paper Phosphate solubilizing bacteria and their role in plant growth promotion -Hilda Rodríguez *, Reynaldo Fraga Department of Microbiology, Cuban Research Institute on Sugarcane By-Products (ICIDCA), P.O. Box 4026, CP 11 000, Havana, Cuba

These bacteria, do they release phosphatase or do they transport the extracted phosphate group?

 

[oldskol4evr]

They are digging up my fucking truffles and my bio char. I am usually at one with nature, but i am struggling to understand how having repeated visits from hogs, digging the shit out of my land is helping. They leave holes like the fucking place has been bombed, or mines have gone off all over the field. The times i have twisted my fucking ankle, ferreting around a tree, failing to notice the mini sink hole they have fashioned. I will be well rid once the fence goes up buddy. I am using 12 inch iron pegs too, one every 3m should be enough to boost up the weakest points where they might with a lot of effort, dig under. The pegs will prevent this for sure, they are mean and once in, they aint coming out easily.

i surely hope you suceed these are some tricky bastards there very smart if you havent figured that out,obsticles are a challenge for them,and most times they win,didnt you say you poured concrete footings to sit your fence on top of,that should hold um back as long as you keep check no errosion has washed dirt from under footing,ive seen these bastards climb a 6ft fence and get over it,ive had them run out the back side of my trap welded with cattle panel,they will run into that bitch to one or the other give,no shit,had a bore hog break the welds and had a 3ft hole in the trap,panel wire was just like someone sent a mortar threw it,,there tough son bitchs and see it one way,live or die,and they will kill themself when trapped

 

[jumpincactus]

some spiral forms are no so good, but these are rarely present in soils mate.
not yet brother, I am not even planting it till next month, had to get all manner of fencing and stuff done to keep out the dam hogs

Hogs???? Thought you was into cannabis not truffles mate. :D

 

[jumpincactus]

Crap I see you are growing truffles, sorry man.

 

[oldskol4evr]

Crap I see you are growing truffles, sorry man.

he grows every thing hahahah,still aint got none them oranges from him,lmao

 

[Organikz]

@jumpincactus
Dude he grows lemons that are round they're so fat. That's how natural non GMO lemons should look. I saw a picture of non GMO fruit. Bananas look more like a plantain.

Btw I got the easy job. I did the hard work last night. Made a dry rub for the turkey and packed it. Opened the skin and slid bacon and rosemary under the skin.

I even baste the turkey in no till fashion. Just throw some bacon over it lol. My mulch layer.

 

[Organikz]

@Ecompost
We have an orchard here that has a small section open to the public where you pick your own all natural apples and pears. They have 15 different apples. Its grown in undisturbed fashion. Maybe run a lawnmower through to make paths. I would use mulch. Then they weigh and you pay on the way out. I would love to do that but I know an orchard really takes time. Could start with annuals like tomatoes. Hanover county is well known for their Hanover tomatoes. Sweet as sugar. Deep red and always juicy but red juice. Not that clear crap. This is where you really see the difference in true all natural. Apples as sweet as sugar and they actually satisfy as a snack. Masanobu mentions this that you can be fulfilled without being full.

 

[Organikz]

Magic ingredient...locally brewed...my city is loaded with hipsters. We have like 100 small batch breweries.

 

[Ceveres]

Magic ingredient...locally brewed...my city is loaded with hipsters. We have like 100 small batch breweries.

Dude they are popping up everywhere (breweries). Well.. hipsters too.. hahaha We have 2 fairly new breweries on the same street downtown. Both with their own sub genre of hipster lol. The craft brew market is about as over saturated as the Cali weed market. Honestly I prefer a good old fashion Gin and tonic with a lime. I hate the feeling of trying to finish a beer after killing a plate of awesome food. Every beer feels like a sandwich in a glass :drunk: