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I have cloned from clone from clone for at least a year doing aeroponics never kept a mother ,then after that I made a mother from a clone and I am stiil seeing some of the best product from 20 generation old clones
so trueClones don't lose vigor, Growers do...
Really folks, 99% of the growers on these forums don't have any growing skills whatsoever - stop blaming genetics, bugs, virus's, whatever - it's Grower Error.
Part of having 'growing skills' is knowing about the life cycle of the plants you're trying to grow. Like what happens when you clone across many generations. Assuming you know everything important about plant biology makes you a shitty horticulturist, regardless of what you're producing.
On a more positive note, I've got a meeting scheduled with a doctoral candidate in botany this week. Asking about genetic degradation is at the top of my agenda, and I'll post whatever I learn in this thread.
Hes been doing it all over the board lolLol....bud...why are you flipping your shit at a post made in 2011?
I've been taught, and it seems like the science on general horticulture suggests, that each generation of clones--meaning clones of clones, not rounds of clones taken sequentially off of the same mother--reduces the vigor of the stock.
I had a nice cut of Querkle that purpled for me everytime, even in heat it would purple up if left for 9 weeks. I moved on to some other stuff and gave a cut to one guy and two nice mothers to another. The one guy tell me it dont purple up any more, Says it always stays green even in the cold. I figured he mixed cuts up. Then the other guy tells me one mother turns purp and the other stays green, but they are the same. I check out the first guys bud and its the querkle i gave him but green. Crazy that one mutated like that. Im going to try and get a cut of each one and see whats up.
So all the best growers are just wasting their time and money cleaning up all the old clone-onlys via tissue culture? Did you grow that blue dream 20 years ago? It may be that it’s viral and possibly some varieties are more resistant to disease; much in the same way certain varieties are more resistant to pm, insects etc. Broaden your horizons my friend the knowledge is out there :)There is no peer reviewed science to support this assertion. Clones are just that - Clones.
So all the best growers are just wasting their time and money cleaning up all the old clone-onlys via tissue culture?
Said nothing about it being genetic or that tc could somehow repair genes??? It’s also a cutting not a clone. Tc can renew lost vigorIt may be that it’s viral and possibly some varieties are more resistant to disease; much in the same way certain varieties are more resistant to pm, insects
Said nothing about it being genetic or that tc could somehow repair genes??? It’s also a cutting not a clone. Tc can renew lost vigor
Exactly. The name of this thread is “the science on loss of vigor over generations of clones”. I offered a hypothesis on the likely cause of “loss of vigor” and a potential solution -TC. Not sure where the confusion here is? Did y’all read my posts? Plant viruses and pathogens reducing vigor is most not a “myth” @DrGreen420. Feels like I’m talking to a brick wall here, I’m outTC eliminates the pests and pathogens that can cause a loss of vigor. Plant pathogens are very common, and the clones we trade undoubtedly carry many.