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[Hortulanus]

What ya using? I'm looking into organic. Looking at the roots terp tea. Half dose scratch in and light teas way under recommended run constantly.

So far just worm castings with a light dose (1/8th recommended) of Canna Aqua Vega.
In flower I’ll used some banana peels as well.
I used to put a fish head or two in but that stinks so I won’t be doing that in my tent.

I’ve only ever brewed over night so I’m excited to extend my brewing times with this air stone and pump.

Have you read anything about minimum temperatures required during brewing?

 

[Aqua Man]

So far just worm castings with a light dose (1/8th recommended) of Canna Aqua Vega.
In flower I’ll used some banana peels as well.
I used to put a fish head or two in but that stinks so I won’t be doing that in my tent.

I’ve only ever brewed over night so I’m excited to extend my brewing times with this air stone and pump.

Have you read anything about minimum temperatures required during brewing?

From experience the higher the temls the fast the metabolism. So if using the tea quickly I would say 70-80f

 

[Hortulanus]

From experience the higher the temls the fast the metabolism. So if using the tea quickly I would say 70-80f

Thanks.
I’d like to get to full organic/KNF so I will be gathering the amendments for that like bone meal, bat guano, kelp meal, etc and using those to brew my teas. I just don’t know enough yet.

 

[beluga]

To jump in on this thread and to pique your guys' brains on the subject of tea temperature... anyone know if pasteurization is ever a useful practice in organic tea brewing?
I know that's about the temp of a good compost heap, but never really saw anything applying it to these types of brews.

I keep going back to mushrooms (sorry, they're fresh on the brain), but growing certain species necessitates substrate pasteurization to kill off harmful microbes and promote beneficial... my guess is that's probably because of the high availability of grain sugars/carbohydrates... which I suppose wouldn't be present in these brews.
Or is the logic that you are replacing the high temperature treatment with the aeration treatment as your method of crowd control?

 

[Aqua Man]

Thanks.
I’d like to get to full organic/KNF so I will be gathering the amendments for that like bone meal, bat guano, kelp meal, etc and using those to brew my teas. I just don’t know enough yet.

Honestly I think organic amendments are the way to go. I'm only going to be doing the teas to show you can do them with a continual brew at much lower concentration.

 

[Aqua Man]

To jump in on this thread and to pique your guys' brains on the subject of tea temperature... anyone know if pasteurization is ever a useful practice in organic tea brewing?
I know that's about the temp of a good compost heap, but never really saw anything applying it to these types of brews.

I keep going back to mushrooms (sorry, they're fresh on the brain), but growing certain species necessitates substrate pasteurization to kill off harmful microbes and promote beneficial... my guess is that's probably because of the high availability of grain sugars/carbohydrates... which I suppose wouldn't be present in these brews.
Or is the logic that you are replacing the high temperature treatment with the aeration treatment as your method of crowd control?

No to the pasteurization. The best prevention is a sterilized water source and clean source organics.

 

[Hortulanus]

Honestly I think organic amendments are the way to go. I'm only going to be doing the teas to show you can do them with a continual brew at much lower concentration.

So you’re only doing it as an example? Not to use the tea?
If that’s the case I’ll use that shit up! Lol

 

[Aqua Man]

So you’re only doing it as an example? Not to use the tea?
If that’s the case I’ll use that shit up! Lol

Kinda its a complex subject with no right answer imo. There is nothing wrong with doing so.

 

[Aqua Man]

I kinda don't like the whole tea idea period. But thats not to say it doesn't work. Started some reading last night and see many move to whats called compost extract.

This is my point exactly. We don't need the massive population of microbes that a tea creates then follows massive die off in the soil after the food source is depleted. So I feel a better approach is a sustained food source which will keep the microbes at a more even keel per se. Not this boom bust in the population like with teas.

For this reason I feel like compost extract is a great option. Likewise organic amendments added to the soil. A tea here and there doesn't hurt just to reinoculate. But if conditions are kept right there is no need for that. Supply regular food in small doses will keep microbial populations steady and healthy.

IMO like many things ppl see something good then go way overboard that more is better. I dont feel it is.

 

[Milson]

I kinda don't like the whole tea idea period. But thats not to say it doesn't work. Started some reading last night and see many move to whats called compost extract.

This is my point exactly. We don't need the massive population of microbes that a tea creates then follows massive die off in the soil after the food source is depleted. So I feel a better approach is a sustained food source which will keep the microbes at a more even keel per se. Not this boom bust in the population like with teas.

For this reason I feel like compost extract is a great option. Likewise organic amendments added to the soil. A tea here and there doesn't hurt just to reinoculate. But if conditions are kept right there is no need for that. Supply regular food in small doses will keep microbial populations steady and healthy.

IMO like many things ppl see something good then go way overboard that more is better. I dont feel it is.

This is why I'm trying to grow like i do, though I'm not going the full homemade everything route.

Get microbes going via innoculation (in my case, via happy frog and roots organics oregonismxl). Keep them happy with consistent food (in my case, with Trinity from roots organics once a week). Find an equilibrium everyone is happy with (jury is firmly out).

Seems so simple, right?

Except for the what is growing and why and what they like and what is good food anyway and how exactly does the plant react to the substance and how does it affect the symbiosis between the two of them and what are the interactions between the microbes you are attracting and what about pH and ahhhhhhghhhgggggghhggj


So baby steps.

 

[Aqua Man]

This is why I'm trying to grow like i do, though I'm not going the full homemade everything route.

Get microbes going via innoculation (in my case, via happy frog and roots organics oregonismxl). Keep them happy with consistent food (in my case, with Trinity from roots organics once a week). Find an equilibrium everyone is happy with (jury is firmly out).

Seems so simple, right?

Except for the what is growing and why and what they like and what is good food anyway and how exactly does the plant react to the substance and how does it affect the symbiosis between the two of them and what are the interactions between the microbes you are attracting and what about pH and ahhhhhhghhhgggggghhggj


So baby steps.

Yeah organics is a wizardry. I still belive best suited for outdoor and the real goal is soil building.... not so well suited to container grows but thats just my opinion. Once you have a soil built over years its like gold but again not so easy in a container.

 

[Milson]

Yeah organics is a wizardry. I still belive best suited for outdoor and the real goal is soil building.... not so well suited to container grows but thats just my opinion. Once you have a soil built over years its like gold but again not so easy in a container.

Yeah. Hence why I'm trying to cheat lol.

 

[Hortulanus]

I kinda don't like the whole tea idea period. But thats not to say it doesn't work. Started some reading last night and see many move to whats called compost extract.

This is my point exactly. We don't need the massive population of microbes that a tea creates then follows massive die off in the soil after the food source is depleted. So I feel a better approach is a sustained food source which will keep the microbes at a more even keel per se. Not this boom bust in the population like with teas.

For this reason I feel like compost extract is a great option. Likewise organic amendments added to the soil. A tea here and there doesn't hurt just to reinoculate. But if conditions are kept right there is no need for that. Supply regular food in small doses will keep microbial populations steady and healthy.

IMO like many things ppl see something good then go way overboard that more is better. I dont feel it is.

I agree kinda but I believe you do benefit from heavy inoculation just not too often. Teas with IMOs are only part of the KNF tech. I barely understand it but something about the enzymes that come with a large bloom as you put it really help.

 

[Aqua Man]

I agree kinda but I believe you do benefit from heavy inoculation just not too often. Teas with IMOs are only part of the KNF tech. I barely understand it but something about the enzymes that come with a large bloom as you put it really help.

Bacteria produce enzymes and if you have a healthy population then they will continue to produce them.

 

[Hortulanus]

Bacteria produce enzymes and if you have a healthy population then they will continue to produce them.

Ok that makes sense then. I’ve been reading too much and it doesn’t all make sense yet.

I’m just sold out to the KNF as my ultimate goal because I saw its benefit when I was farming in Kenya. The stuff we grew just had no comparison in regards to flavour or potency. Not talking just cannabis here.
And I know teas are a big part of it. So are extras but I think OHN is different than the compost extracts you’re talking about.

 

[beluga]

I’ve been reading too much

This gets me in trouble.

I sit at a computer at work all day getting with theory/abstract concepts.

Thanks to aqua man et al for actually having done some of these things or else my crackpot ideas would, at the very least, turn into fetid vats in my basement.
My wife thanks you guys, too.

 

[Aqua Man]

I try to learn how things work instead of say a method. I'm not any type of authority on this stuff and have read very little. Just my opinion s based on how I understand things work. Again these are just my opinions. I have no real experience with organic grows.

 

[Hortulanus]

I try to learn how things work instead of say a method. I'm not any type of authority on this stuff and have read very little. Just my opinion s based on how I understand things work. Again these are just my opinions. I have no real experience with organic grows.

I see where you’re coming from I think. I get it and I can get caught up in fads and be a fanboy like the next guy.

I do feel like the knf technique really understands the symbiosis between plants and soil and making and fermenting my own feed, supps, etc is a bonus.

 

[Hortulanus]

Slow but steady. Mothers will have to come out of the tent soon to make room.

The one happy P.GSC

The dud that I won’t give up on because I’m emotionally complex lol

The sprouts from the mixed-bag I got from Jamaican grower.

Multiple strains, different growth stages, SOG? I guess I like to make my life hard.

 

[BudGoodman]

The dud that I won’t give up on because I’m emotionally complex lol

This cracks me up... Because I get it!

I planted 40 seeds, of two different kinds, late summer.
I kept the best two and worst two of each... Gave the rest away.

Those plants just went into flower, actually, and the two ugly ones are still ugly... Just sayin'.