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Dirtbags Do-over... 🤪 Back to Organic!

I'm unusually nervous about this grow. Stepping out of my comfort zone for sure. So its always nice to see that they are still alive and green when I come for a visit lol. Transplanting into 3 gal fabrics tomorrow. Looking great man! I know that feeling...
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Dirtbags Do-over... 🤪 Back to Organic!

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Dirtbag said:
I'm unusually nervous about this grow. Stepping out of my comfort zone for sure. So its always nice to see that they are still alive and green when I come for a visit lol.

Transplanting into 3 gal fabrics tomorrow.View attachment 1052414
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Looking great man! I know that feeling every morning when i wake up to look in my closet and tent. Can't wait to get into my comfort zone and have my plants thrive.
 
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Also, decided to grab the last jug of EJ Xatalyst at the hydroshop after all. I figure if Ag Canada is banning the import of it, it must work pretty good lol. Something tells me it contains triacontinol and other growth hormones.
 
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Dirtbag said:
Also, decided to grab the last jug of EJ Xatatylist at the hydroshop after all. I figure if Ag Canada is banning the import of it, it must work pretty good lol. Something tells me it contains triacontinol and other growth hormones.
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I couldn't get earth juice where I live for a while they had to order it from other stores its was to do with an ingredient But I don't remember exactly what he said this was about 1.5 years ago.
 
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greenscholar said:
I couldn't get earth juice where I live for a while they had to order it from other stores its was to do with an ingredients But I don't remember exactly what he said this was about 1.5 years ago.
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Yeah the guys at my local told me they can still get the base grow and bloom no problem, but not xatalyst. And they aren't sure if its gone for good or just going through some sort of assessment and classification type thing.. Either way, I grabbed the last known jug on Vancouver Island lol.. Apparently they haven't been able to get it for a little while now.

They also said its the most important one to use out of the whole line, said it makes a massive difference, and reviews on it seem to corroborate. I didnt use xatalyst 20 years ago, I don't even know if it was a thing when I used EJ last.
 
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Earth Juice Catalyst is a premium organic nutrient additive that contains enzymes, hormones, vitamins, amino acids, nutrients and surfactants to complete your fertilization program.

Damn maybe i need to start tossing a few MLs in each gallon im feeding.
 
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Odiesel said:
Earth Juice Catalyst is a premium organic nutrient additive that contains enzymes, hormones, vitamins, amino acids, nutrients and surfactants to complete your fertilization program.

Damn maybe i need to start tossing a few MLs in each gallon im feeding.
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Honestly, @Aqua Man this sounds like an organic version of green planet massive.
Might want to see if you can find a bottle somewhere.
 
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My buddy used earth juice too about 20 years ago he had old pictures, the buds were enormous I'm pretty sure I haven't had any as big inside as he showed me obviously many variables. All he used was grow and bloom. I used for a little but I didn't want to bubble it as I have a hard time planning a day ahead lol, but I don't even know how necessary it is.
 
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greenscholar said:
My buddy used earth juice too about 20 years ago he had old pictures, the buds were enormous I'm pretty sure I haven't had any as big inside as he showed me obviously many variables. All he used was grow and bloom. I used for a little but I didn't want to bubble it as I have a hard time planning a day ahead lol, but I don't even know how necessary it is.
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I think if you're going to let it sit for a couple days it should be aerated. And not letting it sit aerating leaves you with the issue of super low PH.

What a time to discover my air pump bit the dust..lol. Right after mixing up the juice.. I guess I'll just recirculate like this until I can borrow one in a few hrs.
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Dirtbag said:
I guess what I find confusing and interesting is how, although you can come close by supplementing organics and biologicals into inert systems like hydro, its still not quite the same as the level of terpene production you get from pure living soils, or aquaponics that are fully dependent on the microbial life to survive.

It really messes with my head trying to understand this stuff.

Some good friends of mine are growing organically now after decades of running ammended soiless systems and the flavour and burn quality of their cannabis has shot through the roof. Im 100% convinced that there is a connection between microbial dependence and terpene expression. Because simple microbial supplementation into chelated feeding routines just does not seem to produce the same results.
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This is ever interesting to me because the referenced grower would have their shit together after years of hydro and their ability to see issues arise with the plant in both media, 10 times out of 10 times they are going to be able to react to the problem and challenges so much faster in soil because of the grow rate difference. I would wonder how much of their success is atributied to their ability to react because of knowledge base. I have been running soil the first part of the year, then Coco for 6 months and now my first hydro experience. I was concerned with Terps fall off going from Soil to Coco but I really did not notice much difference. Going to have to wait on Hydro but a concern.
 
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ezenzyme said:
I believe that the enzymes start converting during the germination stage and then its halted by the 140 kiln dry to create a malt. A SST would also introduce carbs and starches that are then converted into sugars by enzymes first and after water in your soil. What about introducing Lemoniene to pine-sol smelling plants? Even if introducing terps from different sources in looked down upon i bet you could get a higher terp level plant with introduction of terps into watering cycles. Also all lights are not the same, like sun vs. hps vs. LED wouldn't that create different levels of natural occurring sugars?
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Stupid question in regards to the Pine Sol Comment in above. I use a product called Terpenes and I swear for the life of me it has Pine sol in it. It that what LEMONIENE is?
 
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Anthem said:
Stupid question in regards to the Pine Sol Comment in above. I use a product called Terpenes and I swear for the life of me it has Pine sol in it. It that what LEMONIENE is?
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Lol yep, D-limonene is itself a terpene extracted from pine needles and citrus fruits. Its in all sorts of cleaning products, orange clean hand cleaner for example, and of course pinesol.
Its also the terp that gives some pot that pine smell, or citrus smells like tangerine and lemon.
 
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So these nutes do not read on an EC meter. After mixing up what is meant to be the average dose its only at 0.5ec, and I started at 0.3. And thats using the Grow, Bloom, microblast and catalyst. I probably should have realized that would be the case, being they are not salt based and ec is measuring salts.

But Pbp is also meant to be organic based and it reads accurately on a ppm meter. huh..
 
#398
Dirtbag said:
So these nutes do not read on an EC meter. After mixing up what is meant to be the average dose its only at 0.5ec, and I started at 0.3. And thats using the Grow, Bloom, microblast and catalyst. I probably should have realized that would be the case, being they are not salt based and ec is measuring salts.

But Pbp is also meant to be organic based and it reads accurately on a ppm meter. huh..
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Calcium carbonate added to pbp. Still not accurate as a whole but is consistent.
 
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MIMedGrower said:
Calcium carbonate added to pbp. Still not accurate as a whole but is consistent.
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Funny you say that because I used 10% calcium carbonate and a little Epsom to bring the rainwater from my cistern up to 0.3. Ive been on Vacation and just used what I have at home for water.

But its not just calcium carbonate I'm reading with pbp. Pbp gives me normal fertilizer range measurements and I can trust a 1.2ec reading to mean, 1.2 ec. Its a salt ion measurement. The whole EJ lineup only added 0.2ec to the nutrient solution.

After I saw the 3.5ph I also added, very slowly I should add.. silica. And it didn't even dent the ph lol.
 
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