Free at last in Virginia

[Lilolme]

So today the outside/inside girls got a good drink and I did a little circus riggin on the tub club. Ponderin whether or not to begin the straight water to the end regimen since at 8 weeks a 2 week nute removal would put me in a good window of harvest. Speakin of which got some new trimmin goodies ready to go but not really lookin forward to that tedious sticky time consuming neck and hand killin task

 

[Ems49]

So far my plan of leavin em the hell alone cept for routine maintenance is payin off although its gettin a little more crowded every day. Risers should be here tomorrow I’ll wait till their dry and raise em a little that should give me a little more room to spread em out more. The clones spend the perty days outside I don’t name em but I got a runt too that one will probly hermie I’ll have to watch itView attachment 1168057View attachment 1168058View attachment 1168059View attachment 1168060View attachment 1168061View attachment 1168062View attachment 1168063View attachment 1168064View attachment 1168065View attachment 1168066View attachment 1168067View attachment 1168068

Beautiful pics and plants..good job!

 

[Lilolme]

Beautiful pics and plants..good job!

Thanks its takin a few years to get where I am I think the only rule to growin is you must make every mistake that can possibly be made and learn how to either fix them or avoid them

 

[Lilolme]

So of course before I take any action I consult my buddy Ed for guidance, Ed seems to be on the fence in regards to the final flushing and almost seems to be leaning towards my thoughts on the matter, that bein its a bunch of baloney cooked up by a bunch of hippies that must live organically drivin lives in all matters regardless of actual proof that, again, its a bunch of baloney. I will not risk blowin this grow over a process that recent studies show is ineffective and unnecessary. I have been very light handed with the nutes on this grow and the benefits are obvious, moving forward I am gonna continue with a common sense approach to growin and not try to “make” the plants grow by dumping copious amounts of unnecessary nutrients on them, therefore rendering the final flush an unnecessary mistake I will never make again

Flushing Cannabis Guide: Everything You Want to Know — Ed Rosenthal

There are a multitude of flushing methods, but they share a common goal: to remove most of the nutrients available to the roots, thereby encouraging the plant to use the non-assimilated salts and nutrients still remaining in the plant.

www.edrosenthal.com

 

[DismalDude]

So of course before I take any action I consult my buddy Ed for guidance, Ed seems to be on the fence in regards to the final flushing and almost seems to be leaning towards my thoughts on the matter, that bein its a bunch of baloney cooked up by a bunch of hippies that must live organically drivin lives in all matters regardless of actual proof that, again, its a bunch of baloney. I will not risk blowin this grow over a process that recent studies show is ineffective and unnecessary. I have been very light handed with the nutes on this grow and the benefits are obvious, moving forward I am gonna continue with a common sense approach to growin and not try to “make” the plants grow by dumping copious amounts of unnecessary nutrients on them, therefore rendering the final flush an unnecessary mistake I will never make again

Flushing Cannabis Guide: Everything You Want to Know — Ed Rosenthal

There are a multitude of flushing methods, but they share a common goal: to remove most of the nutrients available to the roots, thereby encouraging the plant to use the non-assimilated salts and nutrients still remaining in the plant.

www.edrosenthal.com

Hey there,nice grow! To flush or not to flush... There's a multi page debate for ya,lol. I personally go through a ripening phase near the end with the nutrients I use (NFTG) decreasing feed and eliminating bottles as it progresses. No flush necessary but at the same time I've followed that ripening regimen and at the very end just watered for a couple weeks to finish. It's a personal preference in the end and for me it seems I get better terp profiles with plain water at the very end. It's subtle but worth noting.

 

[Lilolme]

Hey there,nice grow! To flush or not to flush... There's a multi page debate for ya,lol. I personally go through a ripening phase near the end with the nutrients I use (NFTG) decreasing feed and eliminating bottles as it progresses. No flush necessary but at the same time I've followed that ripening regimen and at the very end just watered for a couple weeks to finish. It's a personal preference in the end and for me it seems I get better terp profiles with plain water at the very end. It's subtle but worth noting.

Its the timing that has always screwed me up, bein a noob and clueless as to what constitutes ripe and adding the preflower stage to the actual flower stage thus adding two weeks to flower that didn’t happen threw off the timing and I did everything too soon and blew it at the very end. I think I am on a better track now and would probly benifit from a couple of weeks of water only or at least 1 week. I really wanna get this one at least closer to right than in the past

 

[Lilolme]

A few of the under achievers I took off are slow dryin and they aint too bad for what they are. In the past the little trim crap really helped me keep my hands off the plants a little longer. Interesting thing I read about trimmin off leaves, it’s recommended to pinch the stem as opposed to leaving a clean open cut with cutters, pinching closes the wound and decreases the chances of infection. It was also recommended to pinch away from the plant and let the leftover stem dry up and fall off. All of which I already knew thankfully

 

[Lilolme]

Another thing that has helped me tremendously was adjusting my flower time. Before I would have been at 10 weeks at this point by the old count and I would have been gettin worried cause they weren’t furthur along, and startin to get very tempted to harvest. Somehow this has really eased my mind

 

[Mothman]

I think I am on a better track now and would probly benifit from a couple of weeks of water only or at least 1 week. I really wanna get this one at least closer to right than in the past

I feel it’s my Christian duty to offer up my taste buds and sample the goods in order to pass judgment on this prickly question of quality. Strictly in the name of science and Christian fellowship, of course.

 

[Lilolme]

I feel it’s my Christian duty to offer up my taste buds and sample the goods in order to pass judgment on this prickly question of quality. Strictly in the name of science and Christian fellowship, of course.

The last samples are already tastin a little fruity and not so chlorophyll yucky. Of course the first microwave dried samples tasted like crap

 

[Lilolme]

The little extra space gained with the risers has allowed the green crack girl to spread out some, the branches have definitely started saggin a little. It’ll be another day or two till waterin time again, leaves haven’t really started agin out a few on top are lookin a little weathered, brown hairs mixed with white hairs galore and a peek inside shows lots of shiners and still very green. Onwards we go

 

[Ems49]

The little extra space gained with the risers has allowed the green crack girl to spread out some, the branches have definitely started saggin a little. It’ll be another day or two till waterin time again, leaves haven’t really started agin out a few on top are lookin a little weathered, brown hairs mixed with white hairs galore and a peek inside shows lots of shiners and still very green. Onwards we goView attachment 1170150View attachment 1170151View attachment 1170152View attachment 1170153View attachment 1170154View attachment 1170155

Holy moly batman! Impressive

 

[Lilolme]

Holy moly batman! Impressive

Considering I “built” the soil with stuff from the hardware store and am usin a very easy powdered nute, GH maxi bloom I am very happy the rest was just followin the basic rules

 

[Lilolme]

Bone dry today so just water with the usual dose of cal/mag and of course ph’d to 6.0. 5 months have flown by I remember them so little and cute

 

[Lilolme]

Not havin to do anything to my fresh spring water cept cal/mag to bring it up to 200-250 ppm and ph is completely and totally awesome

 

[Lilolme]

First time at this, wouldnt you know there is a very specific process to harvestin viable mater seeds

 

[Lilolme]

I’ve noticed right away since I raised the pots they are dryin out quicker was only a couple of days since the last waterin and I soak em good

 

[McPappaGreens]

I'm not dogging your grow by any means, buds look frosty an sweet but there is a reason I grew the same amount of buds with more colas on one plant than what was in your bathtub and it's organic living soil not kind soil or nature's organics living soil but my own 45 gallon fabric pot and living soil I built yeah it takes a little time but pays for itself especially if you know what to add when plant wise earth worm dirt home raised of course plant compost chicken compost allot of yard mulch some dirt under a rotten log from some private property grow some alfalfa on top of that some rye grass white clover before planting bud let grow about a foot cut it down to about three inches plant some seeds let cover crop grow but keep about 6 inches high the whole time when it's harvest time cut your plant down hang the whole plant upside down not just nugs do not pull the plant roots up but simply trim everything close to the soil an water the remaining cover crop and mulching in between grows eventually pull the soil out break the roots up and apart cut all the cover crop up mix all the soil roots cover crop all up real good and repeat plant cover crop let it grow trim plant bud seeds eventually you can use just rye grass just like keeping a mini yard in your house an no longer need legume you can get away with being lazy and adding down to earth 4-4-4 two weeks after planting in a tea then use down-to-earth 4-9-4 two weeks after flower in a tea it might seem like more work at first but it's not any more than going an buying Coco coir an perlite an peat moss an filling a pot and adding and pH ING every time you water or feed if you let river water sit at around 65 f it will pH itself before it goes stagnant same with tap water just saying I haven't pH tested water in 10 years the whole point is creating a stable soil that uses hardly any water needs little resources the more times you use fertilizer the more times you should be breaking your soil down mulching and decomposing the stuff growing on top this keeps the soil stable from having too much phosphorus too much nitrogen whatever when you get to where you have just grass on top read the grass like in your yard is it getting yellow when it's hot probably needs nitrogen and potassium is it growing fast or slow fast is obviously good slow probably needs a little phosphorus maybe some iron all these can be added with some simple plants white clover will add phosphorus rye grass will control nitrogen all of it releases potassium after it starts to decompose alfalfa adds natural growth stimulators and adding some extra rice hulls every now an then helps with sillica alfalfa also pulls calcium from the soil and gets reused when its mulched if you think you need more blend some oyster shell wearing a mask add about a cup an mix to the soil it will last a couple years before you need more if you aren't certain a soil test will prove what's in your soil and if you built yours as good as mine I guarantee great results fewer pests less watering the rye grass really helps with the moisture locking it in the soil but I bet you can sit back an relax allot more than checking nute levels every day and I gaurantee you will have way more time on your hands I know I do my plants don't stress as much they grow faster denser I mean stalks the size of half dollars inside not outside in a bunch of subcools super soil I'm talking one pot in a 4x4 I veg for 35 days and flower somewhere from 50 to 90 days just depends I've had nice buds in 45 days before I veg my lights at 24/24 until I think it's strong enough to hold up some big ass buds then I flip to 12/12 no burnt leaves no droopy plants definitely no nute burns even if I do use down to earth I still have yet to burn a plant like I said no pecker gnats no spider mites just a plant in dirt in front of a fan an under a light that's all you might be 40 but I just gave away 25 years of some of the best growing methods that have yeilded super great shit an I'm not hyping that up just try for yourself and you will see I skimp and use other stuff like kelp meal a little crab meal sometimes I make my own alfalfa meal an feather meal for compost teas fermented fruit juice sometimes about three weeks after flower just once I mix two table spoons fermented juice per gallon of water don't use straight fermint might kill the plant and the soil just my little secrets I let loose trying to change another coco growers mind to taking the road less traveled but each to Thier own I just think if your gonna take the time to achieve great success read a little bit more about no till gardening and living soil and growing the real organic way like the native Americans all soil will need something eventually why they plant fish with corn they know that just dirt won't be enough what they do build that dirt long enough for one ear of corn well your building it for one plant every time you plant bud sometimes it needs rebuilding sometimes it just needs a little extra to get it along

 

[Lilolme]

I'm not dogging your grow by any means, buds look frosty an sweet but there is a reason I grew the same amount of buds with more colas on one plant than what was in your bathtub and it's organic living soil not kind soil or nature's organics living soil but my own 45 gallon fabric pot and living soil I built yeah it takes a little time but pays for itself especially if you know what to add when plant wise earth worm dirt home raised of course plant compost chicken compost allot of yard mulch some dirt under a rotten log from some private property grow some alfalfa on top of that some rye grass white clover before planting bud let grow about a foot cut it down to about three inches plant some seeds let cover crop grow but keep about 6 inches high the whole time when it's harvest time cut your plant down hang the whole plant upside down not just nugs do not pull the plant roots up but simply trim everything close to the soil an water the remaining cover crop and mulching in between grows eventually pull the soil out break the roots up and apart cut all the cover crop up mix all the soil roots cover crop all up real good and repeat plant cover crop let it grow trim plant bud seeds eventually you can use just rye grass just like keeping a mini yard in your house an no longer need legume you can get away with being lazy and adding down to earth 4-4-4 two weeks after planting in a tea then use down-to-earth 4-9-4 two weeks after flower in a tea it might seem like more work at first but it's not any more than going an buying Coco coir an perlite an peat moss an filling a pot and adding and pH ING every time you water or feed if you let river water sit at around 65 f it will pH itself before it goes stagnant same with tap water just saying I haven't pH tested water in 10 years the whole point is creating a stable soil that uses hardly any water needs little resources the more times you use fertilizer the more times you should be breaking your soil down mulching and decomposing the stuff growing on top this keeps the soil stable from having too much phosphorus too much nitrogen whatever when you get to where you have just grass on top read the grass like in your yard is it getting yellow when it's hot probably needs nitrogen and potassium is it growing fast or slow fast is obviously good slow probably needs a little phosphorus maybe some iron all these can be added with some simple plants white clover will add phosphorus rye grass will control nitrogen all of it releases potassium after it starts to decompose alfalfa adds natural growth stimulators and adding some extra rice hulls every now an then helps with sillica alfalfa also pulls calcium from the soil and gets reused when its mulched if you think you need more blend some oyster shell wearing a mask add about a cup an mix to the soil it will last a couple years before you need more if you aren't certain a soil test will prove what's in your soil and if you built yours as good as mine I guarantee great results fewer pests less watering the rye grass really helps with the moisture locking it in the soil but I bet you can sit back an relax allot more than checking nute levels every day and I gaurantee you will have way more time on your hands I know I do my plants don't stress as much they grow faster denser I mean stalks the size of half dollars inside not outside in a bunch of subcools super soil I'm talking one pot in a 4x4 I veg for 35 days and flower somewhere from 50 to 90 days just depends I've had nice buds in 45 days before I veg my lights at 24/24 until I think it's strong enough to hold up some big ass buds then I flip to 12/12 no burnt leaves no droopy plants definitely no nute burns even if I do use down to earth I still have yet to burn a plant like I said no pecker gnats no spider mites just a plant in dirt in front of a fan an under a light that's all you might be 40 but I just gave away 25 years of some of the best growing methods that have yeilded super great shit an I'm not hyping that up just try for yourself and you will see I skimp and use other stuff like kelp meal a little crab meal sometimes I make my own alfalfa meal an feather meal for compost teas fermented fruit juice sometimes about three weeks after flower just once I mix two table spoons fermented juice per gallon of water don't use straight fermint might kill the plant and the soil just my little secrets I let loose trying to change another coco growers mind to taking the road less traveled but each to Thier own I just think if your gonna take the time to achieve great success read a little bit more about no till gardening and living soil and growing the real organic way like the native Americans all soil will need something eventually why they plant fish with corn they know that just dirt won't be enough what they do build that dirt long enough for one ear of corn well your building it for one plant every time you plant bud sometimes it needs rebuilding sometimes it just needs a little extra to get it along

I’ll be readin this several times over its kind of a lot to try to get the jist of all at once. Bein in my infancy so to speak my main goal is to get goodies in the jars I am my only source it is incredibly difficult for me to purchase. I absolutely love the idea of a more self sustaining and chemical free, or as much as possible, grow and have no doubt that it produces a superior product. When I said I built my soil I meant I tried to match the characteristics of what was described in my reading, good drainage, retaining moisture without clumping or compacting, it included a composted cow manure so there was some nutrient content. Simple science is fascinating to me and an organically motivated grow is on my list of growin methods, I want to try as many different methods as I can and am collectin the components, and information, as I go. I absolutely pour myself into just about everything I do so I have to take things in small steps to avoid obsession and give myself time to thoroughly absorb everything about the next thing I try, before I try it. To date I haven’t tried the same method back to back, the first was store bought potting soil, then pure coco, then I built my own DWC units from scratch and tried that till I got a handle on it. Now I’m back to soil with a better understanding of growin in general. If you told me you saved your ear wax and used it as a medium I would want to try it. Your comments are more than welcome I don’t dispell anything I am fascinated by new to me untried methods, I want to learn as many as I can. Sorry bout the hippy comments I am gettin towards the end of this round and I get a little antsy, and overly mouthy I do apologize for that. A big bucket of molasses and worm castings tea, nurturing the soil to be simply self enriching through more natural processes, its all in my curriculum and will most likely be my next venture as I build the knowledge base requirements and gather materials. Gotta build the stash first though with a method I am comfortable and confident with before the experiments begin. I only do one grow a year planned around the amount of environmental control I have to undertake so the off time is planning and preparing for the next.

 

[Lilolme]

I'm not dogging your grow by any means, buds look frosty an sweet but there is a reason I grew the same amount of buds with more colas on one plant than what was in your bathtub and it's organic living soil not kind soil or nature's organics living soil but my own 45 gallon fabric pot and living soil I built yeah it takes a little time but pays for itself especially if you know what to add when plant wise earth worm dirt home raised of course plant compost chicken compost allot of yard mulch some dirt under a rotten log from some private property grow some alfalfa on top of that some rye grass white clover before planting bud let grow about a foot cut it down to about three inches plant some seeds let cover crop grow but keep about 6 inches high the whole time when it's harvest time cut your plant down hang the whole plant upside down not just nugs do not pull the plant roots up but simply trim everything close to the soil an water the remaining cover crop and mulching in between grows eventually pull the soil out break the roots up and apart cut all the cover crop up mix all the soil roots cover crop all up real good and repeat plant cover crop let it grow trim plant bud seeds eventually you can use just rye grass just like keeping a mini yard in your house an no longer need legume you can get away with being lazy and adding down to earth 4-4-4 two weeks after planting in a tea then use down-to-earth 4-9-4 two weeks after flower in a tea it might seem like more work at first but it's not any more than going an buying Coco coir an perlite an peat moss an filling a pot and adding and pH ING every time you water or feed if you let river water sit at around 65 f it will pH itself before it goes stagnant same with tap water just saying I haven't pH tested water in 10 years the whole point is creating a stable soil that uses hardly any water needs little resources the more times you use fertilizer the more times you should be breaking your soil down mulching and decomposing the stuff growing on top this keeps the soil stable from having too much phosphorus too much nitrogen whatever when you get to where you have just grass on top read the grass like in your yard is it getting yellow when it's hot probably needs nitrogen and potassium is it growing fast or slow fast is obviously good slow probably needs a little phosphorus maybe some iron all these can be added with some simple plants white clover will add phosphorus rye grass will control nitrogen all of it releases potassium after it starts to decompose alfalfa adds natural growth stimulators and adding some extra rice hulls every now an then helps with sillica alfalfa also pulls calcium from the soil and gets reused when its mulched if you think you need more blend some oyster shell wearing a mask add about a cup an mix to the soil it will last a couple years before you need more if you aren't certain a soil test will prove what's in your soil and if you built yours as good as mine I guarantee great results fewer pests less watering the rye grass really helps with the moisture locking it in the soil but I bet you can sit back an relax allot more than checking nute levels every day and I gaurantee you will have way more time on your hands I know I do my plants don't stress as much they grow faster denser I mean stalks the size of half dollars inside not outside in a bunch of subcools super soil I'm talking one pot in a 4x4 I veg for 35 days and flower somewhere from 50 to 90 days just depends I've had nice buds in 45 days before I veg my lights at 24/24 until I think it's strong enough to hold up some big ass buds then I flip to 12/12 no burnt leaves no droopy plants definitely no nute burns even if I do use down to earth I still have yet to burn a plant like I said no pecker gnats no spider mites just a plant in dirt in front of a fan an under a light that's all you might be 40 but I just gave away 25 years of some of the best growing methods that have yeilded super great shit an I'm not hyping that up just try for yourself and you will see I skimp and use other stuff like kelp meal a little crab meal sometimes I make my own alfalfa meal an feather meal for compost teas fermented fruit juice sometimes about three weeks after flower just once I mix two table spoons fermented juice per gallon of water don't use straight fermint might kill the plant and the soil just my little secrets I let loose trying to change another coco growers mind to taking the road less traveled but each to Thier own I just think if your gonna take the time to achieve great success read a little bit more about no till gardening and living soil and growing the real organic way like the native Americans all soil will need something eventually why they plant fish with corn they know that just dirt won't be enough what they do build that dirt long enough for one ear of corn well your building it for one plant every time you plant bud sometimes it needs rebuilding sometimes it just needs a little extra to get it along

I short vegged these and had only planned on two plants, I could just as easily gone with a single plant and filled the tub it would have just meant a longer veg and a much bigger pot. So many options in growin and I hope to try everything eventually