Is UV supp really needed w LEDs???

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Cannabis Confusion/The History of Afghan/Skunk​

THIOLS ENTER THE EQUATION

In 1989, William Wood, a chemist at Humboldt State University (how ironic) discovered that thiols were the key component to the excretion and smell of the North American skunk animal.

Then in 2001, researchers at the University of North Carolina and the University of Gent in Belgium, published research into what makes beer smell skunky. The research showed that beer shares a similar thiol compound to the same one that is produced by skunks. Thiols are a chemical found in humulone, which is a compound found in hops.

From the article in Discover Magazine June 29th, 2012:

“Shellhammer explains that when ultraviolet light hits the humulone, a part of the molecule breaks off and binds with the sulfur in the beer, creating the thiol. “If you walk outside with a nice yellow beer like a pilsner on a summer day, the change is happening almost immediately,” he says.

He adds that in Europe and elsewhere, this is known as “light-struck” beer, not "skunky" beer, since skunks are not native to Europe.

Complicating matters is the fact that humans can smell thiols in parts per trillion, Shellhammer says. We perceive the other aromatic components of beer at parts per million. A tiny bit of thiol can overwhelm everything else.

Both hops and cannabis naturally produce thiols. They also both produce some of the same terpenes, fragrant chemical compounds, including humulene (which is not chemically related to humulone), caryophyllene and myrcene.

That’s because hops and cannabis are in the same plant family, Cannabaceae. If you analyze the oils extracted from each plant chemically, Shellhammer says, they are similar. “When we analyze the compounds in hops,” Shellhammer says, “Sometimes I walk by the lab and it smells like we are analyzing cannabis.”” LINK: Cannabis Confusion/The History of Afghan/Skunk

I brew beer. Hops won't skunk in beer until after fermentation has occurred. Fermentation creates chemical and biological transformations to the hop oils that enable skunking under UV. I brew beer outdoors in the full sun. No skunk ever. I will bet my left testicle that UV doesn't create or enhance thiols in weed.
 
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I brew beer. Hops won't skunk in beer until after fermentation has occurred. Fermentation creates chemical and biological transformations to the hop oils that enable skunking under UV. I brew beer outdoors in the full sun. No skunk ever. I will bet my left testicle that UV doesn't create or enhance thiols in weed.
The fermentation produces riboflavin. Cannabis grown organically will contain significant riboflavin. Methionine is an alpha acid. Cannabis grown organically will contain significant methionine.

Do you need a physical address or will a PO box suffice?
 
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I brew beer. Hops won't skunk in beer until after fermentation has occurred. Fermentation creates chemical and biological transformations to the hop oils that enable skunking under UV. I brew beer outdoors in the full sun. No skunk ever. I will bet my left testicle that UV doesn't create or enhance thiols in weed.
Not sure how testicles fit into the equation, but potsie said mail it😂
 
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Can't attach the study here in this forum it seems, so here's a link, they go into the chemotypes again

 
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The fermentation produces riboflavin. Cannabis grown organically will contain significant riboflavin. Methionine is an alpha acid. Cannabis grown organically will contain significant methionine.

Do you need a physical address or will a PO box suffice?

That wasn't proof of anything. Hops also contain plenty of riboflavin. I will be keeping my testicles.
 
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The hop oils need to be isomerized and fermentation needs to occur before light struck skunking can occur.

Isomerization occurs when hops are boiled. We aren't boiling our weed. So light can't skunk it by the same mechanism.
 
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The hop oils need to be isomerized and fermentation needs to occur before light struck skunking can occur.

Isomerization occurs when hops are boiled. We aren't boiling our weed. So light can't skunk it by the same mechanism.
Wouldn't UVB have a similar effect on weed as boiling has on hops?
 
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Can't attach the study here in this forum it seems, so here's a link, they go into the chemotypes again

Interesting read HERE
Kind of supports my thinking HERE Post #52 and HERE Post #54
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I'll try a different angle.

If UV skunks weed on the vine, it would also skunk hops on the vine. It doesn't. Skunk beer is not desirable. They do everything they can to keep the skunk out.
 
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I'll try a different angle.

If UV skunks weed on the vine, it would also skunk hops on the vine. It doesn't. Skunk beer is not desirable. They do everything they can to keep the skunk out.
I get it, you're talking about a skunk thing. But do you believe that UV can be a benefit when growing weed?
Edit: FYI, back in the day it was Moosehead and Skunk bud all day😆
 
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But do you believe that UV can be a benefit when growing weed?

No. I believe the peer reviewed study I posted that concluded UV light has no commercial benefit for cannabis. The author is a researcher for Canopy Growth. They don't use UV supplements.

There has been some talk about "the author didn't do the experiment correctly". Poorly designed experiments don't make it past the peer review process.

I'm sure the author could have used 1500ppfd lights and a type 1 strain if that is a better model. I'm betting it isn't a better model. It probably gets a similar result with more energy and time consumed. Scientists generally know how to run experiments the right way.
 
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Yeah and it's not that the positive J.Lydon studies saw critic from the very same people, even though his experiment was set much better/realistically.

But peer review itself isn't flawless. And if anything, will only proof its own individual case. No UVA to trigger chloroplast repair processes, when outside you have 5% UVB 95% UVA, with some wavelengths showing promising experimental beneficial data on stomatal conductance>>carbon fixation>>growth.
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I need to correct this to
"mixed"-chemovars, but still, both carry more CBD as THC and are labelled as 'medical' strains. That means that at some point in time the ancestors of these strains had been crossed with a 'high-CBD' chemovar. And these are known to not respond to UVB treatment - as Lydon back then did demostrate.

His original paper actually goes into great length to discuss the various theoretical explanations and these alone give insight into a broader understanding of all the interrelating factors that can trigger a higher cannabinoid content.

The CBD cannabis types originate from East-Europe, even north & middle Asia and these have been separated (by human domestication) already 3 thousand years ago from its original habitate in central Asia.

Most strains today cultivated or sold are actually type-I high-THC chemovars. But most of them are polyhybrids, and there is no proof that all those genetics still are able to respond positively, due to loss of responsible genes. Over decades of "non-UV" HPS or LED cultivation it won't matter. But the science occassionaly still hands out a study or two showing how moderate or pulsed dosis of UVB creates a number of positive effects. The plant can easily repair, compensate the damage (plants do have energy surplus) but what follows in response is a cascade of internal reactive pathways that beneficial. It's a way to induce systemically acquired resistance.
Some additional UV light also keeps mold/bugs away...also @Moe.Red has done experiments using UV and what it might do. One of the take aways that I've read from studies is 'pulsed' application of UV -- so maybe ten minutes per hour is good or better.
 
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There's several PGRs like Salicyl Acid, Brassinosteroids that are proven to increase photosynthetic capacity, increased photoprotection / repair, and will either increase quality or quantity.
What would be interesting to see if their effects combine or maybe cause just the same gene expression, to get better to the bottom of this
 
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