well I really do not go a year without posting to the site and then comeback swing at the fences like yourself. Surely if you spent the time to look up my posts you would have found that.
wait it seems you have had some more recent troll remarks as soon as 3 1/2 months ago
Ah yes, a want to be that just got licensed to grow in Oklahoma. I'm bashing Athena because it is mostly hype. 5 ec?! In flower that is ridiculous, let alone veg. Yes, 15 months ago and Athena has been around for a while longer than that. I believe I said "over the past 2 years". But I guess you can just make shit up on this thread like you did before.
OK is 6 months and 1 day to get a license.
Dude you are a douche. You act like people can't come on here and disagree with anything that goes against what you believe. I simply responded to a notification in my email about a new post to this thread, just like you did. There has got to be something wrong with you. Are you short a marble? Did mommy drop you on your head as a baby? Seriously man,.what good did you think that comment you made "oh bummer your back" was going to accomplish it added nothing of value to the thread.
Actually it took a little over 90 business days to get a license. Something you.will never experience.
Yes, I am a troll because I comment on peoples posts whether I agree with what they say or not.
I am just calling it the way it is. A spade is a spade, just like a troll is a troll.
Says the guy that posted a negative comment with no constructive criticism anywhere, or anything value add to the conversation. lol. Like I said, your are mental Anthem. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I first posted to this thread today. And you know I am right about Athena, just like you knew I was right last time. I think this is why you get your ass hairs in a twist. If you have any experience as a grower, you know damn well those EC numbers are insane! You would also know that what I said about other growers surpassing those yields with far less fertilizer is also true.
Athena is not like your typically Jacks, Mega Crop, Master blend or any of the other dry salt lines. It is very similar to HGV because both are known to run Calcium at higher rates than those listed previously. This can create problems because Ca is antagonist with P and. Mag. Secondly, Athena Pro Line is really designed to be used like this. Mix up the 25 pound bags into stock tanks to the correct PPM.This is for all three parts. Athena has some problems with their ingredients in both the bloom and the veg. Both are highly hydroscopic and can take on up to about 10 to 15 percent water weight even when they are kept in a sealed tub inside. This further antagonizes the relationship between CA, P and Mag because the CA is in the core in the form of Calcium Nitrate. So you have a situation that were you are running CA high and then you are even increasing it beyond what the formulation calls out.
Holy shit! You just blew my mind. That is value add. I didn't know any of that technical stuff, but I do know that the bud is bland.
That high EC crap is actually being pushed by Athena. I first started hearing about it early in 2021. The Athena blow hard Chris Duran had a podcast about it. I think at that time he was pushing 3.0 EC from clone to finish. I was never really able to get it over an EC of 2.5 without seeing nutrient burn. I heard a guy on hear the other day running it at 3.3 with no CO2. It makes pretty buds because it was started in Cali by JB. They started Athena and Luxx. Luxx was purchased by Hawthorne last year and it no longer as of 12-31-22.
I heard that about Luxx at the Cowboy Cup this year. The Next Light/Blazing LED guys were talking about it. I heard Hawthorne took on a lot of debt because Luxx owed one of their manufacturers a ton of money. Not sure if that is true or not, but it would not surprise me.
There is more than that to the story. I do not know all the details. Nor do I care.
The market barriers were fewer here than anywhere else but Maine. Lowest licensing cost and the most freedom.
There is still a market for good bud in OK. There may be 10,000 growers, but half of those are inactive/expired licenses and there is a moratorium in place for the next 2 years. And there are a lot of dispensaries. I'd say another 30% of the growers isn't even what I would call mids. A lot of what you see on the shelf has no bag appeal. All you need here to be considered top shelf in OK is bag appeal. It doesn't even need the nose. It can smell like fresh, green weed. If it has good structure and is frosty, people will buy it.
I lied. It looks like there is now only about 7,000 growers in the state, most of which are micro operations. This article (link below) will explain one of the challenges the OK market, and other legal markets face. Illegal grow operations. There are a lot of Chinese nationals that have purchased land in OK. It was the same in Maine. A lot of Chinese there too. It is basically slave labor. The man behind the curtain is never seen, probably sittin fat in Hong Kong. They pack them into these old homes on acreage, give them one car and a small per diem and that's about it. And they grow the worst indoor you will ever see.
The Asian Weed thing is out here as well. A lot of green houses in the high desert, seems like the same type of set up you are talking about because there is a weekly arrest report for an operation called Hammer Swing. They bust about 30 grows a week. This has been going on for about 16 months now and it just keeps going. I found a really cheap hydro store in a part of town that is largely asian people. You got the young Asians pulling up in there 150K cars and then you got a mom and pop showing up in a mini van. Word I hear is no one really wants the Asian weed anymore before of as you mentioned. I know they have complete distribution systems set up so they have a hand up on that. If you can get the stuff into some of the east coast states that are still illegal I hear of prices like 4k for Runtz and stuff.I lied. It looks like there is now only about 7,000 growers in the state, most of which are micro operations. This article (link below) will explain one of the challenges the OK market, and other legal markets face. Illegal grow operations. There are a lot of Chinese nationals that have purchased land in OK. It was the same in Maine. A lot of Chinese there too. It is basically slave labor. The man behind the curtain is never seen, probably sittin fat in Hong Kong. They pack them into these old homes on acreage, give them one car and a small per diem and that's about it. And they grow the worst indoor you will ever see.
It is the wild west out here but I like it, minus the tornadoes. My advice to anyone looking to enter the legal market is find a state that is legal and affordable and get there now before a moratorium is put in place. The states that come to mind that have affordable licensing are Maine, Colorado, New Mexico. And Oklahoma once the moratorium is lifted in 2 years, assuming nothing else changes. There a lot of licenses for sale in Oklahoma right now, both grows and dispensaries. Colorado still has some open counties, others have a moratorium. With New Mexico, the challenge is water rights if you decide to grow on a large scale. Peace.
2,000 marijuana grow licenses ID'd as potentially illegal, Oklahoma agency says
The licenses are suspected of either having been obtained fraudulently or are being used to mask illegal operations selling on the black market, an Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs spokesman said.tulsaworld.com
Good gravy! I remember when I first started 8 years ago I could get 3200 wholesale and my bud wasn't that great. 4k would have me giggling like a school girl.Its a shame I don't fuk with the black market.