Grove Bags Yes? No? Why?

[AnimalHouse]

I think we would be hard pressed to find a grower who prefers to burp dozens of mason jars daily. The price for each Grove bag seems fair and would be awesome to have if you had to go out of town right after a grow. In the long run the shipping is going to eat at you and it's an additional thing you have to remember to buy. Some might argue that a sealed container is preferable to a breathable one but I really don't know and I'm sure it depends on a variety of variables. The technology information section on the Grove site is down for me right now so I can't really see exactly how they work.

All I know is the last time I weighed my options in that space I was first attracted to the shiny metal cvault containers but I couldn't justify the price. That's how I found the Gamma stuff because I liked the idea of a large, air tight and reusable container for curing but I would definitely be a customer of Grove bags for one off needs just based off of all the positive reviews I've seen on here.

The first time I used jars I was already looking for another option. I did what everybody does, pack n burp, used bovedas, and had a cabinet just for the stash. I didn't like so many jars so I went to large C-Vaults. Well my home runs warm and that cab was always around 80 and could get into the 90s in Summer. I found out the hard way what warm storage does to weed in jars or dark steel. Somewhere in there I also had some black food grade vacuum canisters used for things like flour and pasta.

So I started using a wine fridge set at 55* for storage. Well C-vaults are about the worst when it comes to storage efficiency but the cool down storage was a game changer. Another thing with C-Vaults I learned the hard way...line the things with parchment paper otherwise all sort of resin is left behind. Today there's a stash of grimy resinous and useless C-vaults the size of basketballs out in my garage. That really was a very bad investment but I liked using stainless steel

Next up were XXL lunch bins called Steeltainers. These were perfect! Rectangular shape and low profile so I could stack them. Each one held about 4oz. On the outside they have a plastic suit to insulate the steel. I lined them with parchment, filled with weed, put it all in a foodsaver bag and vacuum sealed them. Being firm walled I could pull out all the air without crushing the buds. No burping though so drying became an art I had to perfect and did to use them. But eventually I still needed more storage efficiency and that's when Grove came into the picture so now there's no wasted space.
I still believe a cold cure in a zero oxygen environment is the best cure for me. Grove is not that but it's very close and closer to jars and cvaults ever were for me.
Obviously I don't marry into anything regarding cure and storage as it's been a journey and will continue. While shopping grove I found some interesting and much less spendy options that may be just as good as Grove plus I can pull a vacuum on them. I also want to throw a couple groves into experimentation and see how long one will deflate after being filled with air because it's not like you can squeeze air out thru the walls. They hold air like any other bag but IDK for how long and I want to do a vacuum seal vs one that's not under a vacuum. I'm quite skeptical of "terp loc" and breathability of these bags but also realize temperature could play a role there....warmer bag being more permeable and colder bag being more sealed. That could be why some people are getting mixed results using them. With Grove, I see it as there's a way to use them as the manufacturer says to and then there's the way I'll use them I guess you could say lol. Another idea is cure for a desired time in a Grove then put the bag in another mylar bag and vac seal the mylar, locking the Grove up inside

In all of it though with everything I've tried my best advice is use something very slick on the inside that will not hold resin or line it with parchment paper, eliminate as much oxygen and head space in the container as possible, and keep them below 65* at all times

 

[KenKenaf]

Wonder what went wrong?

Maybe youre young. Peer pressure?

The only science behind commercial cannabis ventures is economics.

 

[Moe.Red]

Border is open and I know we would love to have a few of you up here, just saying!

Is it tho? I looked into this a few years ago, and there was no clean way to move to CAN and become a citizen there unless you had a special skill that could be proven required you to do vs. a current resident.

The wife and I were seriously considering retirement there. Getting away from US politics and just being left alone was the motivation.

 

[GrilledCheeze]

The first time I used jars I was already looking for another option. I did what everybody does, pack n burp, used bovedas, and had a cabinet just for the stash. I didn't like so many jars so I went to large C-Vaults. Well my home runs warm and that cab was always around 80 and could get into the 90s in Summer. I found out the hard way what warm storage does to weed in jars or dark steel. Somewhere in there I also had some black food grade vacuum canisters used for things like flour and pasta.

So I started using a wine fridge set at 55* for storage. Well C-vaults are about the worst when it comes to storage efficiency but the cool down storage was a game changer. Another thing with C-Vaults I learned the hard way...line the things with parchment paper otherwise all sort of resin is left behind. Today there's a stash of grimy resinous and useless C-vaults the size of basketballs out in my garage. That really was a very bad investment but I liked using stainless steel

Next up were XXL lunch bins called Steeltainers. These were perfect! Rectangular shape and low profile so I could stack them. Each one held about 4oz. On the outside they have a plastic suit to insulate the steel. I lined them with parchment, filled with weed, put it all in a foodsaver bag and vacuum sealed them. Being firm walled I could pull out all the air without crushing the buds. No burping though so drying became an art I had to perfect and did to use them. But eventually I still needed more storage efficiency and that's when Grove came into the picture so now there's no wasted space.
I still believe a cold cure in a zero oxygen environment is the best cure for me. Grove is not that but it's very close and closer to jars and cvaults ever were for me.
Obviously I don't marry into anything regarding cure and storage as it's been a journey and will continue. While shopping grove I found some interesting and much less spendy options that may be just as good as Grove plus I can pull a vacuum on them. I also want to throw a couple groves into experimentation and see how long one will deflate after being filled with air because it's not like you can squeeze air out thru the walls. They hold air like any other bag but IDK for how long and I want to do a vacuum seal vs one that's not under a vacuum. I'm quite skeptical of "terp loc" and breathability of these bags but also realize temperature could play a role there....warmer bag being more permeable and colder bag being more sealed. That could be why some people are getting mixed results using them. With Grove, I see it as there's a way to use them as the manufacturer says to and then there's the way I'll use them I guess you could say lol. Another idea is cure for a desired time in a Grove then put the bag in another mylar bag and vac seal the mylar, locking the Grove up inside

In all of it though with everything I've tried my best advice is use something very slick on the inside that will not hold resin or line it with parchment paper, eliminate as much oxygen and head space in the container as possible, and keep them below 65* at all times

I'm glad I didn't go with the cvault! I usually plan my grows just to keep enough smoke and edibles around. One day I'll have more space and I'll need to upgrade to a weed fridge which your use case for Grove bags makes a lot of sense. Have you ever tried to dry/cure in a freeze dryer?

 

[KenKenaf]

My only concern is how do I smell test objectively?

If you can't tell why does it matter.. I promise you, growers have way bigger fish to fry than worrying about gimmick vacc bags. There's no way those bags are allowing the buds to breath. Burping/curing is about introducing oxygen, as cannabis is climacteric and full of flavor creating post harvest reactions that literally depend on periodic fresh oxygen.

 

[Dothraki]

Maybe youre young. Peer pressure?

The only science behind commercial cannabis ventures is economics.

What the hell are you even talking about?

 

[Dothraki]

If you can't tell why does it matter.. I promise you, growers have way bigger fish to fry than worrying about gimmick vacc bags. There's no way those bags are allowing the buds to breath. Burping/curing is about introducing oxygen, as cannabis is climacteric and full of flavor creating post harvest reactions that literally depend on periodic fresh oxygen.

I can’t vouch for these bags yet…but if you did your research you’d understand that the bags keep a fresh supply of oxygen around 2% which is required for the curing process, but not enough to rapidly oxidize your bud. The bags exchange gases.

 

[Moe.Red]

If you can't tell why does it matter.. I promise you, growers have way bigger fish to fry than worrying about gimmick vacc bags. There's no way those bags are allowing the buds to breath. Burping/curing is about introducing oxygen, as cannabis is climacteric and full of flavor creating post harvest reactions that literally depend on periodic fresh oxygen.

Damn man, where you been all my life. You have all the answers, we should all just listen to you!

First they are not vacc bags [sic]

Second, we are looking at the claims that these bags DO pass gasses. They are permeable per the manufacturer.

It matters because it is a test. Did you even read what I wrote? There is no number to be reported on smell, which makes it subjective.

Just about every post you make is some sort or another of a troll. There are other places for that behavior. This ain't it.

 

[AnimalHouse]

I'm glad I didn't go with the cvault! I usually plan my grows just to keep enough smoke and edibles around. One day I'll have more space and I'll need to upgrade to a weed fridge which your use case for Grove bags makes a lot of sense. Have you ever tried to dry/cure in a freeze dryer?

Oh yeah I've tried it. Freezing is best used for extraction but for cure it's a no-go. I don't even like to store cured weed in a freezer. It's too harsh of environment. I kinda see weed like an aged fine cheese. Give me a cold dark cave and I'll give you some great cured bud

 

[RootsRuler]

Definitely more than twice! If you're tight with the seals and cuts you can push 5x.

I'm fascinated how focused people seem to get on price and then completely ignore or don't even include the alternatives for comparison? Humidity packs aren't free. If $200 of Grove Bags a year to cure POUNDS of product are making or breaking your grow costs I don't know what to tell you.

Around here weed doesn't last long so I haven't had to use humidity packs. Half the harvest is already "up in smoke"!

 

[Aqua Man]

If you can't tell why does it matter.. I promise you, growers have way bigger fish to fry than worrying about gimmick vacc bags. There's no way those bags are allowing the buds to breath. Burping/curing is about introducing oxygen, as cannabis is climacteric and full of flavor creating post harvest reactions that literally depend on periodic fresh oxygen.

Actually they DO exchange oxygen and the tech has been around a very long time. It has ben used in the long distance transport of aquarium fish for many many years and im sure before that for some other applications. Like all things cannabis much of it has originated elsewhere and was picked up by someone thinking hey i can make some money off it in another application.

Material has been long used to sepreate gases, separate water from gasses and other applications simply by manipulating the molecular makeup and size… the tech is real and it does work within limitations.

sorry for the interruption carry on with the debate. Guess you all know what my feelings are on the topic.


i just plucked the first google search to save some time for those viewing. These products go back over 20 yrs that i have personally seen

Breathing Bags™ | Kordon

 

[freezeland2]

Definitely more than twice! If you're tight with the seals and cuts you can push 5x.

I'm fascinated how focused people seem to get on price and then completely ignore or don't even include the alternatives for comparison? Humidity packs aren't free. If $200 of Grove Bags a year to cure POUNDS of product are making or breaking your grow costs I don't know what to tell you.

I only use my bags once so a one time heat seal is all I need, lol

 

[Neuro]

Bottom line. If you don’t think they’ll work and aren’t willing to make a pretty modest investment in finding out, don’t buy them. Shit! No one is making you have an abortion. I like them, I’m going to use them until I don’t or I find something better. If you don’t like yours I’m happy to take them off your hands for half of what you paid for them (I’ll pay shipping).

 

[Aqua Man]

Jst to renforce places tgis tech is used… some DO (dissolved oxygen) meters use a membrane to allow the o2 through but keep the water out for measurements both for accuracy and for preservation of the probe.

a PH probe allows the passage of h+ ions to measure the concentration of h+ ions and give a result of PH while keeping both liquids separated from eachother. There are many different types of membranes used in many different applicates.

sorry to spoil the party ppl. Hope your all green and happy

 

[PipeCarver]

Jst to renforce places tgis tech is used… some DO (dissolved oxygen) meters use a membrane to allow the o2 through but keep the water out for measurements both for accuracy and for preservation of the probe.

a PH probe allows the passage of h+ ions to measure the concentration of h+ ions and give a result of PH while keeping both liquids separated from eachother. There are many different types of membranes used in many different applicates.

sorry to spoil the party ppl. Hope your all green and happy

They also store easier,soft bags not glass. I think the proof is those that buy and try have a tendency to buy again.

 

[SweetLeafGrow]

I have used these bags and do like them. I did a side by side this year with my greenhouse grow taking flower from the same plant and putting some in a Grove bag and some in a jar. 8 weeks later and they both smell fantastic but I do believe the Grove bag is a bit more aromatic, it just smells better, more terpy for lack of a better descriptive.

Why is that? I was expecting to, am I making a mistake?

You absolutely can reuse these bags. I don't usually heat seal them and just zip them shut. But do be careful when you open them, be sure and grab the bag on both sides where the actual zipper plastic is, not just the top of the bag. I have found that if you don't do that, the adhesive that holds the zipper to the bag itself can pull loose sometimes and then you'd have to heat seal it but then only reusable so many times.

 

[Aqua Man]

They also store easier,soft bags not glass. I think the proof is those that buy and try have a tendency to buy again.

Absolutely… and they do have their limitations like anything. Not just simply stuff full of partially dry bud and forget about it

 

[Aqua Man]

i dont have the time, inclination or tools on hand to prove this but i know @Moe.Red has the tools if he desires.

simply put an o2 probe in a grove bag and seal make a pin hole as a purge and mark it so you know where it is. Then poke a hole for 1/4 tubing. Purge the bag using you co2 tank with the o2 sensor inside the tape both the pin hole and 1/4” purge holes….. monitor o2 levels.

i’ve never seen the data on these confirm but its easy to do so. You will find the ideal temperature for gas exchange as that will play a role and have some real first hand data on the exchange rates which i can only assume will be very very slow but thats all thats needed. It may take a week or more to reach equilibrium…. who knows.

It will also show if the companys that make these have equal reaults or show frauds.

ok going back into my hole now.

 

[Moe.Red]

Jst to renforce places tgis tech is used… some DO (dissolved oxygen) meters use a membrane to allow the o2 through but keep the water out for measurements both for accuracy and for preservation of the probe.

a PH probe allows the passage of h+ ions to measure the concentration of h+ ions and give a result of PH while keeping both liquids separated from eachother. There are many different types of membranes used in many different applicates.

sorry to spoil the party ppl. Hope your all green and happy

Dude you are not spoiling anything stick around. We might learn something.

 

[Aqua Man]

Dude you are not spoiling anything stick around. We might learn something.

Missing the crew and members a ton. Life is great but busy but nothing i like more than hanging out with all you great ppls