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I think they're selfed because they flowered very early,(I f*ck up with timing the LED lights) before any males "I found" in the general population showed themselves. Heads up i spell loupe wrong all the time because i use voice text lmao. Ive been busy...
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I think they're selfed because they flowered very early,(I f*ck up with timing the LED lights) before any males "I found" in the general population showed themselves.
Heads up i spell loupe wrong all the time because i use voice text lmao. Ive been busy today, just had a chance to throw actual thought into your possible self pollenated seeds lmao.

males show sex by 12 weeks old, even land race sativas. Most moderin indicas and hybrids by 6-8weeks if healthy. They can burst individual flowers long before clusters start stacking and females start flowering. I have absolutely had male plants busting nuts by early to mid july. And thats not a sometimes thing. Thats been the case every time ive had a male plants outsaide.

Male plants indoors can open flowers and release totally viable pollen in Veg at 18/6. they dont stack or cluster, but the flowers will definitely eventually mature and pop. Thats why i keep the males i keep as clones so cut back and puny while i dont need them. Even in veg they can seed out my flowering tents in the right context.

generally about 99/100 grains of male pollen will be viable and can make a seed. Its like 10% if your lucky with fem/most hermie pollen. 1 open male flower will put out as much viable pollen as a dozen or so fully formed hermie flowers. That one male flower open will put out as much viable pollen as an entire female cola covered in bare stamen, (bananas) probably more. Not by volume, but by pollen grain viability count/percentage

The plants have evolved so that pollen is already present when the females begin budding because its evolutionary breeding security. All fall flowering sexually dimorphic plants are this way, from amaranth, to hops, to cannabis. If you had a male that made it to the beginning of cluster stacking, whether the clusters opened anmything or not, it had definitely already opened some older flowers that went un noticed. It's not actually possible that it didn't. Whether the wind brought them anywhere they would have been of use yet, is the matter at hand there. And if your frostberry was revegging, yes, there is a high probability that male put those seeds there

Im just speaking probabilities though there though, but It is indeed quite likely. My big girls 200 yars from my tiny breeding twigs, where i only left a single male cluster open for a couple weeks all had a random unknown seed here and there. Prob one per qtr o. And that was just a tiny rooted male twig like 200 yards from my patch. Take that 200 yards distance down to across an average yard, and it would probably bump up to about 4 or 5 seeds per qtr o. If i had a ful;l sized male i pulled right at the bneginning of flower cluster stacking, id expect a seed to a couple per qtr on tht patch if the male was just one average yard distance from the patch. Simply because the older floweres will burst once shaded off regardless of photoperiod with a whole male plant, and that volume of open flowers on a good sized plant would prob still be roughly comparable to a single tiny rooted twig of clusters. By pollen volume/flower count anyway

if your watching an 8-12wk old plant and you arent sure, bust out a nice mag glass or led loop and you probably will be sure rather quickly. My males are usually known before they leave the solo cups. And male flowers are usually pretty obvious. The vast majority of "i cant tell" plants will usually be female, but if they arent, you can pretty much *always* identify the males with a scope/loop/good mag glass. And after that almost all of your remaining "unsure" plants will pretty much always be females. Those uncertain ones without the loupe ID can go either way for me.


sometimes i have a really branchy male i mistakenly identify as female, but thats because i was so confident by the structure i never bothered to look with the loupe and didnt notice til it was obvious. That has given me a few seeds before, even with a male plant at 18/6 because the tents shared a lung space with a flowering tent. Not a lot, but it absolutely happens and has happened to me.
 
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@cpurola more added thought lol, also i just talked to a cousin and "A michigan friend with mystery outdoor seeds" came up.


the reason i mention hemp pollen and your location, is because i have cousins tht grow outdoors in Lapeer cnty. And they get a few hemp pollenated seeds every year on plants that have long straight pistils, but usually dont see anything on ones with curly or thick pistils. I had the exact same experience in kansas/Missouri too. Its a very real problem in the midwest (hemp pollen). A single male's pollen can cover like 1000 sq miles. And every additional male beyond that one just thickens the pollen cloud, and increases the chance a grain will find one of your pistils.

If you have railroad tracks within 10 miles, its just as likely those are hemp pollenated as it is theyre S1's or from your Stealthy male.

fwiw i guess, Those seeds could genuinely be either 3, or potentially even all 3 lmfao.
 
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Thanks for the education. No, really. All I know of genetics is Darwin and Mendel's observations.
The train tracks are about 3 miles from us and it's very possible there are hemp plants along it.

I harvested the plant the middle of July do to the early flowering mistake.
Do you think it's possible the male wild hemp was flowering then?
 
Thanks for the education. No, really. All I know of genetics is Darwin and Mendel's observations.
The train tracks are about 3 miles from us and it's very possible there are hemp plants along it.

I harvested the plant the middle of July do to the early flowering mistake.
Do you think it's possible the male wild hemp was flowering then?
Where you live yes. The wild Midwestern landraces are done by the time October starts. They've been naturally selected over the last 80 years by your guys climate to flower early. They're all plants that escaped cultivation during the WWII subsidized hemp farming initiatives. The females start producing first seed able flowers within 3-4 weeks of the june solstice. Practically soon as they can tell days are getting shorter. Makes will be slightly sooner.

Most nale plants are making an amount of pollen by mid July. Not a ton but they are. Hemp or cannabis either one though.

If they're right on top of each other some females will even let their early pre-flowers pollinate by the early male pollen. (That's pretty sativa specific though) I have pulled probably five or 6 seeds in my growing career off of vegging plant pre-flowers outdoors in July, definitely with a raised eyebrow lol. but always heavily sativa Dom plants that make fully formed pre flowers and have long narrow pistils.

Pb4 will grow seeds in her pre flowers if there's pollen present even at 18:6 lol. Two of the three I sprouted for outdoors this year were pre-flower seeds pulled out in veg photoperiod. I kept them separate and started those entirely out of curiosity alone. The pollen must e come into the veg box last fall one of the times I was messing around with the breeding clones outside before I came in.
 
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Some glamour shots of a beautiful Banjo x Columbian bud. More color then either parent. And smell is straight oentrating citrus and bubblegum. Her symmetry, color, and structure is a thing of beauty in person.

Also mild nute burn, as has become tradition for me recently apparently.
 

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Earwigs are dicks. I respect them. But they're still dicks.

Pb4 x haymeadow got earwigged last night. But I put her in full sun anyway today and she never wilted and never stopped praying. Bet she'll make it.
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They got at a couple Queen B's too. They'll prob be fine lmao
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Some maui86 glamour shots. My original pheno from last spring.
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Mango Nectar x Haymeadow purps. (Getting picss of her is very difficult where she's at and with that beast of a banjo in front of her)
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The other tent however, looking mighty clean right about now. 5 days in 12/12
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Psychedelic Banjo, Haymeadow Purps. Banjo x haymeadow purps. And PB3
 
Some glamour shots of a beautiful Banjo x Columbian bud. More color then either parent. And smell is straight oentrating citrus and bubblegum. Her symmetry, color, and structure is a thing of beauty in person.

Also mild nute burn, as has become tradition for me recently apparently.
Hahaha that late in flower I wouldnt worry about a little nute burn, I think we should all burn them a bit to know what theyre capable of. At the very least you shoud get some crispy tips by the end of the grow. If you dont end up with a little bit of light or nute burn means you have not pushed them to know what their limits are. Also, I know youve been growing for a looong time outdoors, how about indoors? I dont remember. It also looks a bit like it had too much light, the tip kinda looks like new growth on top of older growth buy maybe its just genetic, never grown that strain. I grow a lot of Runtz and they foxtaill easily when you push light on them but its also totally worth it in my experience, but just because its a strain that is prone to foxtailing which means that the foxtails wont appear when the bud is mature already but will appear sooner and mature with the rest of the bud.
 
Hahaha that late in flower I wouldnt worry about a little nute burn, I think we should all burn them a bit to know what theyre capable of. At the very least you shoud get some crispy tips by the end of the grow. If you dont end up with a little bit of light or nute burn means you have not pushed them to know what their limits are. Also, I know youve been growing for a looong time outdoors, how about indoors? I dont remember. It also looks a bit like it had too much light, the tip kinda looks like new growth on top of older growth buy maybe its just genetic, never grown that strain. I grow a lot of Runtz and they foxtaill easily when you push light on them but its also totally worth it in my experience, but just because its a strain that is prone to foxtailing which means that the foxtails wont appear when the bud is mature already but will appear sooner and mature with the rest of the bud.
ive been growing indoors even longer then out actually. Theres just lots of life disorganization going on for these last few tents.

And im not worried at all, that actually happened earlier in flower, like week 3, it just doesnt go away once its there. sad face. theyve been dialed back in for a couple weeks now and are stacking fat quickly.

mineral burn will usually only stall out a plant if its also in N toxicity in my experience, and its actually the N tox stalling em out in that context not the mineral burn.

i moved again during this grow, those 3 got trash bagged and hauled a couple hours to a new place. And i loaded them down HEAVy with feed and water before the move so i didnt have to worry. I keep my watering cycles every other day, had to improvise to make the move doable by slow watering heavy feed in repeatedly over the course of a day to prevent extra drainage, and with some h202 added. I knew they were going to mineral burn, i was just making sure i dodged the N tox. As long as you keep the N tox at bay, having a little mineral burn is the better option than having partially starved plants in my experience. You will always be more satisfied with the slightly over fed vs partially starved buds. 100%, without exceptions.



i have a couple big regrets this grow though. Not taking utmost care of that banjo x columbian clone, and not saving that seed for outdoors, were both HUGE mistakes. If you guys could see this banjo x columbian in person, you'd feel the caliber of those mistakes hard. 😭😭




@Eledin generally by my last feeding before flush, i like to see just a tiny bit of tip and margin burn. Its my preference, honestly and truly. I also consider a small amount of light burn on the highest colas center of the tent a good sign. That tells you the bulk of your canopy is in the goldilocks zone

This pic is psychedelic banjo. I had some issues this run stemming from getting ocean forest and happy frog mixed up. But wasnt a bad run and makes a decent example picture for the point im making. (Its hard to effectively grow weed from salted worm puke and bat shit... lmao, was hand me down soil from a friend i didnt want to go to waste and didnt realize til too late i was using a basic super soil thats intended to be supplemented with organic top dressings not salt feeds. Apparently thats happy frog, ive never actually used any fox farm soils til last run)
 

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Creeping Knockout-teacup hybrid of moms. Finally got it trellised up (mulch coming soon)

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The young men of this years outdoor crop:

PB2 x haymeadow
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Cman x okie x haymeadow
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Maui86 x haymeadow
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Haymeadow Purps
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Oaxaca land race
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The haymeadow cross males are all starting to flower. Hoping I can get a bit of pollen before reveg 🤞
 
Next up to bat after the banjo x Columbian/Maui/mango tent:

Haymeadow purps, M86 x haymeadow, another Special Queen clone, and another M86 clone.

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The banjo Columbian tent looking pretty tasty. Prob 3-5 weeks left looking at em.
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Banjo x Columbian
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Maui86 (my original pheno)
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Mango nectar x haymeadow purps
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That Banjo x Columbian looks unreal.
In person, she might be my all time most beautiful plant., Her structure, symmetry, color, terp profile. Its pretty perfect imho. She stacks colas like no other too. Def the longest colas ive ever had in a tent this size. Rn her terp profile is penetrating citrus with a light bubblegum overlay. very unexpected. banjo smells of stout black coffee and kush. the columbian is a slightly sweet, raunchy skunky thing.

Shes also flowering out a lot quicker then id have expected too. Stacking like a beast

shouldnt be too far off from the banjo blaster expressions. Theyll just be a little stouter and shorter then the straight x columbian most likely. Prob not nearly as citrusy though. Normally im not the biggest fan of fruity, but this one is reaaaaally nice lol.


i only have like 4 or 5 banjo x straight columbian fems though. Ill be making more eventually. Ill have to pop the columbian s1s i made last season and hunt for a clean and vigorous one to remake the cross. banjo x oaxacan coming eventually too.
 
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In person, she might be my all time most beautiful plant., Her structure, symmetry, color, terp profile. Its pretty perfect imho. She stacks colas like no other too. Def the longest colas ive ever had in a tent this size. Rn her terp profile is penetrating citrus with a light bubblegum overlay. very unexpected. banjo smells of stout black coffee and kush. the columbian is a slightly sweet, raunchy skunky thing.

shouldnt be too far off from the banjo blaster expressions. Theyll just be a little stouter and shorter then the straight x columbian most likely. Prob not nearly as citrusy though. Normally im not the biggest fan of fruity, but this one is reaaaaally nice lol.


i only have like 4 or 5 banjo x straight columbian fems though. Ill be making more eventually. Ill have to pop the columbian s1s i made last season and hunt for a clean and vigorous one to remake the cross. banjo x oaxacan coming eventually too.
That sounds like a great cross too!
 
Gonna call it day 1 of flower. Stretch well under way and budlets are forming on all but the pure haymeadow purps in the back right. But she's a younger seed grown plant so it's to be expected. Her clock will prob start within 4-5 days I think.

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Psychedelic Banjo
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Haymeadow Purps
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Psychedelic Banjo x Haymeadow Purps
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Peaceblaster #3
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Moms basement is going to be a challenge for my flowering plants.

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This is while running two 650sq ft dehumidifiers for the last four days straight with two tents adding warmth .


The concrete floor isn't sealed on most of it. It's still porous. Looks like moms gonna get a free floor sealing this summer downstairs 😂
 
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