Thatoneguyyouknow_
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Heads up i spell loupe wrong all the time because i use voice text lmao. Ive been busy today, just had a chance to throw actual thought into your possible self pollenated seeds lmao.I think they're selfed because they flowered very early,(I f*ck up with timing the LED lights) before any males "I found" in the general population showed themselves.
males show sex by 12 weeks old, even land race sativas. Most moderin indicas and hybrids by 6-8weeks if healthy. They can burst individual flowers long before clusters start stacking and females start flowering. I have absolutely had male plants busting nuts by early to mid july. And thats not a sometimes thing. Thats been the case every time ive had a male plants outsaide.
Male plants indoors can open flowers and release totally viable pollen in Veg at 18/6. they dont stack or cluster, but the flowers will definitely eventually mature and pop. Thats why i keep the males i keep as clones so cut back and puny while i dont need them. Even in veg they can seed out my flowering tents in the right context.
generally about 99/100 grains of male pollen will be viable and can make a seed. Its like 10% if your lucky with fem/most hermie pollen. 1 open male flower will put out as much viable pollen as a dozen or so fully formed hermie flowers. That one male flower open will put out as much viable pollen as an entire female cola covered in bare stamen, (bananas) probably more. Not by volume, but by pollen grain viability count/percentage
The plants have evolved so that pollen is already present when the females begin budding because its evolutionary breeding security. All fall flowering sexually dimorphic plants are this way, from amaranth, to hops, to cannabis. If you had a male that made it to the beginning of cluster stacking, whether the clusters opened anmything or not, it had definitely already opened some older flowers that went un noticed. It's not actually possible that it didn't. Whether the wind brought them anywhere they would have been of use yet, is the matter at hand there. And if your frostberry was revegging, yes, there is a high probability that male put those seeds there
Im just speaking probabilities though there though, but It is indeed quite likely. My big girls 200 yars from my tiny breeding twigs, where i only left a single male cluster open for a couple weeks all had a random unknown seed here and there. Prob one per qtr o. And that was just a tiny rooted male twig like 200 yards from my patch. Take that 200 yards distance down to across an average yard, and it would probably bump up to about 4 or 5 seeds per qtr o. If i had a ful;l sized male i pulled right at the bneginning of flower cluster stacking, id expect a seed to a couple per qtr on tht patch if the male was just one average yard distance from the patch. Simply because the older floweres will burst once shaded off regardless of photoperiod with a whole male plant, and that volume of open flowers on a good sized plant would prob still be roughly comparable to a single tiny rooted twig of clusters. By pollen volume/flower count anyway
if your watching an 8-12wk old plant and you arent sure, bust out a nice mag glass or led loop and you probably will be sure rather quickly. My males are usually known before they leave the solo cups. And male flowers are usually pretty obvious. The vast majority of "i cant tell" plants will usually be female, but if they arent, you can pretty much *always* identify the males with a scope/loop/good mag glass. And after that almost all of your remaining "unsure" plants will pretty much always be females. Those uncertain ones without the loupe ID can go either way for me.
sometimes i have a really branchy male i mistakenly identify as female, but thats because i was so confident by the structure i never bothered to look with the loupe and didnt notice til it was obvious. That has given me a few seeds before, even with a male plant at 18/6 because the tents shared a lung space with a flowering tent. Not a lot, but it absolutely happens and has happened to me.
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