that one guy you know grows weed. 🔥🌲

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Hey Thato.....

Definitely appreciate the information you spit out!! Lotta shit to learn in this lil hobby we have!!!!!

You mentioned clones flowering faster than from seed.....hands down.....153% correct!!!! Yeah, I love sativa, but I'll a indy early to get my fix.......

But.......

There can be only one..........and it's not a flower.......and I was gonna post it when the shit was hitting the fan a couple pages ago........ but I thought, too soon.......

shit wasnt hitting the fan, that guy just hardcore rubbed the the wrong way on my first couple interractions with him in the forum-lands, so i was flapping my lips and waving my arms to chase him out of my journal because i dont like him, and dont want him here.


when he popped up in my journal, i assume knowing my pet peave on the fast photo thing from other posts ive made about it in the past, to pipe up on it, when i was very obviously side-stepping the question, i decided to chase the guy off. its my space, and i dont want him here


He's not wrong, thats exactly what a "fast photo" plant is as labeled from most modern breeders. I just consider it a deceptive, lazy, marketing gimmick. I have photos that finish that fast outdoors, and i can also reveg them and they fully revert etc. And If auto pollen hits one of them, or if someone ive shared the DNA with chooses to cross a "fast photo" into it i wont be absolutely guaranteed a bunch of genetically defunct abominations first go, some may actually be usable long term still.

And if someone ive shared the dna with hits the plants with a fast photo, chances are theyll have mostly normal photos afterward as a result, and not be stuck wondering "wtf happened" and then get scared away from making your own seeds, like happens all the time.

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i also want to point out, that if you pollenate a stable female photoperiod plant with ruderalis, a plant that you KNOW will reveg and revert fine with a ruderalis male, and you pop 10,000 seeds of that cross.... If one single plant out of those seeds, a single one, will not reveg or shows any sign of ruderalis traits, the trait is not a recessive one.

Recessive traits also mutate into dominant ones if the right "playground" so to speak is available, and many *expressions* that are recessive allele set in origin, can also be expressions from totally unrelated dominant allele sets. And theres no way to predict ANY of this because the new sources of novel allele sets comes through mutagenic influence, the same thing that can manipulate the expressions of any chromosome based genetic expression. And if anyone wants to look into the toxic and polluted history of the Volga river water shed near Kazakhstan and Ukraine, be my guest. I dont think its a coincidence some kinda funky mutated plant expressions comes from one of the most chemically polluted regions on earth since the 1800s.


ive personally made a true photo/auto cross (even if accidental) where the autoflowing trait, although not heavily expressed, was absolutely dominant enough in nature for me to strongly recommend other growers be careful about mixing their lineages, and tell new growers its a dominant trait. May not seem to be when youre trying to breed a 100-150 day plant. But if the ruderalis makes its way in, and you are a clone grower thats hunts your own seeds to grow unique and consistent flower from clones and sometimes find yourself revegging test phenos, not a stable fem seed buyer that just pops another one... it starts to not seem so recessive anymore. it literally creeps its way in, with you under a false sense of security, and then it starts fuckin shit up and spreading disappointment and disheartenment. Thats kinda insidious


the only reason "fast photos" even exist is their high niche profitability and how quickly you can crank new ones out. It takes a long time to workout a stable, reliable truly fast photoperiod phenotype in seed, and you have to be very mindful of your crosses, and most paths will be dead ends and you end up perusing a different one, beecause the only tru fast photos, are F1 hybrid vigor phenotypes.. "Fast photos" are a shortcut to profit around this hurdle at the cost of genetic robustness and you have to be willing to lie to your consumer to even call them fast photoperiod plants imo.

 

[Bilber]

Definitely good to know.....about the 1000 plants and 1 withholding a reveg.....with anything having that third of a rudy.....

As a Certified " Pollen-Chuckerer ", I've only started trying to save genetics of any good, my wife and I s chosen ones, plants I grow.....we grow.........if she reads this....

Fun times always.....!!!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Definitely good to know.....about the 1000 plants and 1 withholding a reveg.....with anything having that third of a rudy.....

As a Certified " Pollen-Chuckerer ", I've only started trying to save genetics of any good, my wife and I s chosen ones, plants I grow.....we grow.........if she reads this....

Fun times always.....!!!

Lol, just a long winded way of saying that if even 1 single offspring shows an expression of ruderalis at one generation with a known non Rudy female, any expression of it at all, you cannot consider the trait recessive.

Of course your not going to get a bunch of plants going into flower at 5 weeks old after a single generation lol. Of course most of them aren't going to. Dominant doesn't mean it's fully expressed in all offspring at filial generation 1. It just means that it will be expressed in one form or another at filial generation 1 (F1) in some amount of the offspring on some form or another.

If you're a pollen chucker, and just keep the seeds from your best plants like momma earth intended, stay away from "fast photos" like your life depends on it . They'll ruin every photoperiod lineage you have within a few generations lol. They will literally all turn into autoflowers right in front of your eyes , recessive or not doesn't matter.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Bud pRon!!!

Pb3 has her usual indoor hangnails, banjo has some wind burn. Solid run so far lol.

Banjo x haymeadow

PB3

Psychedelic Banjo

The Thai Dom haymeadow.

 

[Bilber]

To be honest....I started growing using feminized seeds......

It wasn't till...........shall we call it, too late, that I have been on a regular seed binge........fems are still awesome!!!!

Autos suck...................!

Fast-flowering.....................

In my areas, , I think they get fast enough..........we don't need any pretend strains in my areas..................................eh........maybe one here or there..........could be the.........

One......and done.....arghhhhhh....

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

To be honest....I started growing using feminized seeds......

It wasn't till...........shall we call it, too late, that I have been on a regular seed binge........fems are still awesome!!!!

Autos suck...................!

Fast-flowering.....................

In my areas, , I think they get fast enough..........we don't need any pretend strains in my areas..................................eh........maybe one here or there..........could be the.........

One......and done.....arghhhhhh....

If all ya wanna do is pop a seed, have it finish early, and you don't plant on cloning or keeping any seeds from the plants. They're great. But if you want more ya gotta buy them and they ain't cheap, or ya gotta make em yourself lol.

And yea if you do anything with your own seeds outdoors, fast photos are just potentially dangerous plants to have around your photo lineages, straight up.

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So I moved the earwig stunted Queen B inside. Gonna up pot her here in a bit. She's a happy healthy plant, needs to stretch her legs a good bit. She's falling into full-pace veg growth finally. Lots of new clones in the bottles. More special Queen, More maui86, and an m86 x haymeadow clone should the flower end up something special.

I'll be vegging this tent for about a week then flipping it to flower. Maui86, special Queen, haymeadow purps pheno I'm likely not keeping, and a maui86 x haymeadow I haven't made my mind up on yet. I wanna see it flower first.

 

[BearWater]

Thai Dom haymeadow purps

This thing is looking something special! The lighting? I don’t know what it is but dang!

How prevalent are the purps in this? : ) this thing gorgeous! And with some purple in there? Do they purple out?

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

To be honest....I started growing using feminized seeds......

It wasn't till...........shall we call it, too late, that I have been on a regular seed binge........fems are still awesome!!!!

Autos suck...................!

Fast-flowering.....................

In my areas, , I think they get fast enough..........we don't need any pretend strains in my areas..................................eh........maybe one here or there..........could be the.........

One......and done.....arghhhhhh....

I agree that autos suck. I ran them for a while thinking I would find the Holy Grail but all I found was that I wasted a bunch of time.

It wasn’t until I jumped on the train here that I realized how bad commercial cannabis companies really are. Hate to put them on blast, but even Barney’s Farm who provided the genetics for almost everything I grew for a decade has gone the way of the buffalo. Now that I’ve ran genetics from people on here, I can see how mediocre a Cannabis Cup winning company can be when they slack. I’d never consider going back and I’m even reluctant to purchase from landrace breeders. Too many people taking too many shortcuts. I definitely don’t want my cannabis bred like a TikTok recipe for Le Cordon Bleu.

It’s been interesting to read the wealth of knowledge on here from growers regarding breeding too. Before I was a member it was easy to get curious and caught up in the hype of all the new strains. Now I don’t even condone them really due to how bad they screw up the gene pool. I hope that made sense. I’m fighting a brilliant headache today.

 

[BearWater]

I agree that autos suck. I ran them for a while thinking I would find the Holy Grail but all I found was that I wasted a bunch of time.

It wasn’t until I jumped on the train here that I realized how bad commercial cannabis companies really are. Hate to put them on blast, but even Barney’s Farm who provided the genetics for almost everything I grew for a decade has gone the way of the buffalo. Now that I’ve ran genetics from people on here, I can see how mediocre a Cannabis Cup winning company can be when they slack. I’d never consider going back and I’m even reluctant to purchase from landrace breeders. Too many people taking too many shortcuts. I definitely don’t want my cannabis bred like a TikTok recipe for Le Cordon Bleu.

It’s been interesting to read the wealth of knowledge on here from growers regarding breeding too. Before I was a member it was easy to get curious and caught up in the hype of all the new strains. Now I don’t even condone them really due to how bad they screw up the gene pool. I hope that made sense. I’m fighting a brilliant headache today.

I’m really glad I wasn’t able to find the auto seeds and all! read enough here when I first joined to sway me away from them. I do agree with togy that they can serve a purpose ( maybe he was referring to “fast flower”)? Either way I guess they have their place : ) just not at my place

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

I’m really glad I wasn’t able to find the auto seeds and all! read enough here when I first joined to sway me away from them. I do agree with togy that they can serve a purpose ( maybe he was referring to “fast flower”)? Either way I guess they have their place : ) just not at my place

Mine either. I’ll leave those to the unknowing and those who slay those things

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I agree that autos suck. I ran them for a while thinking I would find the Holy Grail but all I found was that I wasted a bunch of time.

It wasn’t until I jumped on the train here that I realized how bad commercial cannabis companies really are. Hate to put them on blast, but even Barney’s Farm who provided the genetics for almost everything I grew for a decade has gone the way of the buffalo. Now that I’ve ran genetics from people on here, I can see how mediocre a Cannabis Cup winning company can be when they slack. I’d never consider going back and I’m even reluctant to purchase from landrace breeders. Too many people taking too many shortcuts. I definitely don’t want my cannabis bred like a TikTok recipe for Le Cordon Bleu.

It’s been interesting to read the wealth of knowledge on here from growers regarding breeding too. Before I was a member it was easy to get curious and caught up in the hype of all the new strains. Now I don’t even condone them really due to how bad they screw up the gene pool. I hope that made sense. I’m fighting a brilliant headache today.

Once i got settled down in KC, quite literally nothing i ordered from seedbanks that i was familiar with plant wise, were even still the same plants they were when sold to me as a teenager here in TN lol. I made lots of seedbank purchases before i got plugged into the breeders for overgro kc.


this comes back to the reason why i continue to RAVE about RQS even though i am no longer sponsored, and its because i raved about them before i was sponsored too. Their oldest flagship strain is still the exact same plant it was back then. it is quite literally the ONLY plant ive got ahold of, from ANY seedbank in the last 10 years, that was definitely still the same plant sold under that name in the early to mid 2000s.

And you even have what i once considered highly reputable breeders, claiming to have bred out legendary genepools themselves, years before any of them even showed up on any forums posts, and apparently before the waybackmachine started cataloguing and snapshotting the internet in 1996


Breeders have also figured out that AI web trawlers zero in on very effectively on information arranged in certain patterns in text based sections of their websites, and if multiple sources corroborate something, accurate or not, an AI will represent this information as if fact as the header itself of a google search, and unlike most companies that will use something like Nightshade to protect their information and data from AI web trawlers, most breeders make their information sections these days very intentionally easily accessible and digestible BY AI trawlers, so that even the AI's will peddle disinformation for them as if it is fact because it finds corroborating information on multiple sources, and its a subject matter thats still largely unresearched and hearsay (growing cannabis), and they will directly cite AI information that supports their claims even though it was sourced from the disinformation on their own websites and their echo chamber fan boys.


Apparently G13 bred pineapple express several years before it even showed up on any forum posts or the waybackmachine, and before the company even actually existed. Apparently they were the original breeder of purple haze too almost 30 years after it came to be. And the list goes on with lots of "reputable" breeders with claims like this lol. Barneys still claims to have original jack. Thats genuinely hilarious. They should be publicly crucified as a company for what they did to the jack lineages like 20 years ago imho.

you find corroborating, impossible claims all over breeder sites, and they are regurgitated by AI, and taken at a glance by anyone typing into google and its entirely to stimulate AI into moving additional product for them. They are just being business and profit-minded.. as any free-market company is. From a business stand point, its brilliant.

Companies aren't the only one's who have figured out they can manipulate AI into rewriting history through independent, but corroborating claims and most people will believe it though. Governments are well aware of this too, promise.


LLMs have become a very strong form of organized disinformation distribution. They dont have to be that intrinsically, but its what free-market companies and advertisers use it for because it generates income to do so. And the fact theyre correct 90% of the time across the board just makes it easier to use them for disinformation distribution, tbh. Even when the information is incorrect, LLM's deliver it in such an articulate, and confident way, most dont argue with it, they wouldn't even know how to.

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

Damn I didn’t even think to look up weed on the WayBackMachine! I haven’t used that in forever.

 

[BearWater]

Mine either. I’ll leave those to the unknowing and those who slay those things

Literally verbatim what I was saying in my head!

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

These guys talk in circles way less than i do lmao.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

I’m really glad I wasn’t able to find the auto seeds and all! read enough here when I first joined to sway me away from them. I do agree with togy that they can serve a purpose ( maybe he was referring to “fast flower”)? Either way I guess they have their place : ) just not at my place

autos and fast photos both serve a very real niche.

theres a few little autos outside right now lol. And if i lived up north id definitely make some of my own "fast photo" plants most likely. There's nothing wrong with that at all, nothing wrong with growing them for flower. theres nothing wrong with breeding them and selling them either, as long as you are transparent 100% with everything you know about your lineages, and everything you dont know or are unsure of.

But I def wouldn't try and sell them as fast flowering photos though, for obvious reason, whether or not the trait is dominant or recessive. i definitely am not going to blanketly label the auto trait recessive either because ive experienced my ownm odd eyebrow raising situation with that. And im also never going to re-label a stable photo cross as one of the original parents so itll sell better either, so on and so forth. etc etc...

it contributes to the decay of genetic diversity and vitality of the species to do any of these things a profit driven fashion without being absolutely, 100% totally transparent with it, at all times. Fudging anything involved in genetics creates ticking time bombs of homogeneity and disease susceptibility. Ask all the cash crops we've driven to extinction through mass monoculture and inbreeding for profits since the agricultural revolution began. Cash crops have also been saved by genetically distinct cultivars of what were essentially heirloom style seed, and land races, more than once since agriculture started (which created all functioning economy as a by-product) Economy doesn't dictate what should be done with plant genetics, thats a recipe for disaster and always has been. Its a subversion of the way it actually works.

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

This thing is looking something special! The lighting? I don’t know what it is but dang!

How prevalent are the purps in this? : ) this thing gorgeous! And with some purple in there? Do they purple out?

lol i missed this. Yea that one is def special. She has this wonderful pure citrus over top of pepperiness to her smell currently. Im already mouthwatering over some hash from her too. the Thai is strong in her i think.

I did indeed hit a cola of the female in that picture with a complimentary thai dom lookin male for a Haymeadow purps F2 to do some seed stuffs with. kept the clone to maybe run some backcrossing.

she does have some hints of color coming in, remains to be seen how much. She is definitely a keeper though. first run on this pheno. She absolutely has other non thai stuffs going on too, but i see more of that than anything in that pheno. Pretty uncanny structure and appearance triggering my "thai" reaction though. which I think check outs because the haymeadow purps is allegedly an f1 between Nevils NL and and a pure indica, likely afghan male, but nevil's NL i guess had a bit more sativa in it than most the NL 1-5 plants. And apparently there were originally NL 1-11 and the higher the number, the more stable in the thai sativa direction the stabilized phenotype was. i guess NL is fundamentally an afghan lineage, but the genealogy is afghan/thai sativa. Its not a lineage i was super well versed on the history of until 12 "haymeadow purps reg" showed up in a package from capt and i got curious.

Last spring i selected what appeared to be an afghan dominant male for F1 crosses. This year i have what appear to be a thai dom male and female both. So im 99% sure that nevils nl x pure indica label checks out. And upon researching further, seems the afghan in the nevils should indeed be his Mazar cultivar, allegedly. Which is pretty sweet. if theres an Inidca dom NL plant you should expect possible thai phenos from with an f1 cross, its gonna be nevils NL or NL 6-11

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

one thing i havent learned about haymeadow purps, is why it was called haymeadow purps super catchy name though and im prob gonna make a stable strain out of this particular pheno to pass around, capt loved all of his, but i think popped all his beans already and just has crosses. He gave me all the males by shear chance anyway

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

This thing is looking something special! The lighting? I don’t know what it is but dang!

How prevalent are the purps in this? : ) this thing gorgeous! And with some purple in there? Do they purple out?

Here's a photo shoot of the Thai Dom haymeadow purps. Multiple angles, flash and no flash. No filters or sharpening or anything. She's definitely a special one. (@TheGoldenRoad )

The sun burned Thai Dom haymeadow male that's fathering the f2. He grew like this on his own un topped just like the Afghan Dom haymeadow male last spring. He's only sun burned because I threw him out to full sun no weaning at 10 weeks old

@MartyMcFly42oh @Mikedin some of the haymeadow Thai Dom f2, and the banjo x Thai Dom haymeadow F1 are def coking your giys' way too.

And the oaxaca land race female. Will be popping some more soon to get a male to make more pure Oaxaca to preserve. I just don't want him getting huge. She's over 6ft already I'ma have to prune her back a couple feet soon. I need clones anyway. I think it's pretty safe to say she's indeed legitimate pure sativa land race

 

[Thatoneguyyouknow_]

Outdoor update. First day I've seen em glowing like this so I gotta take some sun lit pictures.


Thinking I'ma have some real pretty plants this year


Banjo Blaster #1

Banjo Blaster #2

Queen B #1 (@TheGoldenRoad)

Queen B #2

Freakshow reg Autos

Alien Rider autos
#1

#2

Strawberry gorilla auto (very big sensitive, even with spinosad and pyrethrins down. I stopped treating this week tho, gonna let her ride til harvest, maybe she'll be ok but I doubt it lol)

 

[Eledin]

Theyre all looking great! The freakshow looks... like a freak hahaha yes, do you have a picture from that strain when its big from previous grows?