Sealed,2k HPS, H2O cooled;SD13::Round 2

[CelticEBE]

im not entirely sure what you mean by they are better in veg?

From my research the light rails are great in the Vegative stage. But the moving light during Flower doesn't quite provide the stable lumen output that a stationary light does. I eventually want to have a Veg Room and 2 Flower Rooms. The Veg room will have hoods on a light rail 5, and the flower rooms will have vertical lighting.

I plan to expand upon and upgrade my room after each turn and for now I am going to do a DIY chiller. Just basically going to use a 5 cuft chest freezer to act as a chiller/reservoir. I will only be cooling the one IB for now. A little concerned that it might be too cold, but I can always set the freezer on a timer if I need to. 150 bucks for the freezer is alot cheaper than a 1/3HP chiller. LOL

 

[FileError404]

High again Mystre! :stonedsmilie:


Yeah, the trellis works very well. I attached some pics. I just built a frame out of 3/4" pvc pipe to attach it. Don't even have to glue it.
The trellis I got at Home De Pot for like treefitty, per. There is also a product called hortitrellis which is made out of plastic but this one works great.

It's not really a scrog but helps a lot to seperate the branches, get a more uniform canopy and stabilize everything.

My lightrail works well in flower, no complaints. :rauch08:

Best of luck with you girls!

 

[TrichromeFan]

FileError404,
Ya man! That's what Im talkin about! :rauch08:


I used to make my own with a maze of string and eyelet screws, but this stuff seems way better. You could build a frame for it, zip tie it to eyelets around the perimeter of the garden, or in the case of Texas Kid and some mpb treez, you can net them like a catch of fish (with a much better smell).

Love it.

 

[CelticEBE]

FileError404

I wasn't trying to say that lightmovers don't work in flower. Just that all my research turned up that a stable light was better. Hope you didnt take offense my previous post.....or this one for that matter.

 

[LEBDOG]

FileError404

I wasn't trying to say that lightmovers don't work in flower. Just that all my research turned up that a stable light was better. Hope you didnt take offense my previous post.....or this one for that matter.

I use one through flower and find that keeping the movement down to 2 feet is just enough to get outside nugs but also keep the inside ones well covered. I don't think I could get near the yield without them with my setup. On the other hand I wish I had 4 static 1000's and I would retire the mover... I think a lot of people misuse the mover (too much travel) and this is why the reports are often so negative. Just my 2 cents as a 4 time user of the mover. I got 4lbs of (low yielding OG) from 1600 (2-600s and 1-400) watts and thank the mover for most of this.

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

I use one through flower and find that keeping the movement down to 2 feet is just enough to get outside nugs but also keep the inside ones well covered. I don't think I could get near the yield without them with my setup. On the other hand I wish I had 4 static 1000's and I would retire the mover... I think a lot of people misuse the mover (too much travel) and this is why the reports are often so negative. Just my 2 cents as a 4 time user of the mover. I got 4lbs of (low yielding OG) from 1600 (2-600s and 1-400) watts and thank the mover for most of this.

Just thought I would add my 2 cents on the mover. I agree that alot of people over travel a mover. It's my idea that a mover should not be used to expand the area bigger than normal, rather to move the light a little so the buds can get the light from multi angles and create less leaf blockage or what have you. I read alot about people using a mover and DOUBLING their grow area with the same light. I disagree on that thinking. I believe that a mover should still be used over a 4x4 or a 4x5 area, giving an extra foot at most IMHO.

Just my opinion tho :) im no expert :)

P.s. sounds like a nice yield you get there LEBDOG :bongsmi:

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

High again Mystre! :stonedsmilie:


Yeah, the trellis works very well. I attached some pics. I just built a frame out of 3/4" pvc pipe to attach it. Don't even have to glue it.
The trellis I got at Home De Pot for like treefitty, per. There is also a product called hortitrellis which is made out of plastic but this one works great.

It's not really a scrog but helps a lot to seperate the branches, get a more uniform canopy and stabilize everything.

My lightrail works well in flower, no complaints. :rauch08:

Best of luck with you girls!

Thanks for posting the pics, the netting looks really useful. Your plants look very happy in there :)

FileError404,
Ya man! That's what Im talkin about! :rauch08:


or in the case of Texas Kid and some mpb treez, you can net them like a catch of fish (with a much better smell).

Love it.

HAHAHA! That totally painted a funny visual for me :giggle


Thanks for stopping by ya'll

Happy Pharming!
-Mystre.Pharmer

 

[LEBDOG]

This grow is crazy familiar! I wish I had those sailing Ocho's as my problem to deal with...

 

[FileError404]

FileError404,
Ya man! That's what Im talkin about! :rauch08:


I used to make my own with a maze of string and eyelet screws, but this stuff seems way better. You could build a frame for it, zip tie it to eyelets around the perimeter of the garden, or in the case of Texas Kid and some mpb treez, you can net them like a catch of fish (with a much better smell).

Love it.

Thanks a lot, TF! Yep, zip ties are your friend. Great for ducting lights, securing cables and for the trellis it works especially well as you can turn them and it pulls the netting tighter.

CelticEBE

I wasn't trying to say that lightmovers don't work in flower. Just that all my research turned up that a stable light was better. Hope you didnt take offense my previous post.....or this one for that matter.

:cool You got to try way harder to offend me :cool

I understand where it's coming from... actually, Mystre and Lebdog did a Meatloaf on me... :confused0059: yet?

Just thought I would add my 2 cents on the mover. I agree that alot of people over travel a mover. It's my idea that a mover should not be used to expand the area bigger than normal, rather to move the light a little so the buds can get the light from multi angles and create less leaf blockage or what have you. I read alot about people using a mover and DOUBLING their grow area with the same light. I disagree on that thinking. I believe that a mover should still be used over a 4x4 or a 4x5 area, giving an extra foot at most IMHO.

Just my opinion tho im no expert

I use one through flower and find that keeping the movement down to 2 feet is just enough to get outside nugs but also keep the inside ones well covered. I don't think I could get near the yield without them with my setup. On the other hand I wish I had 4 static 1000's and I would retire the mover... I think a lot of people misuse the mover (too much travel) and this is why the reports are often so negative. Just my 2 cents as a 4 time user of the mover. I got 4lbs of (low yielding OG) from 1600 (2-600s and 1-400) watts and thank the mover for most of this.

You took the words right out of my mouth
Oh-it must have been while you were smoking weed.... :bong-hits:

...yep, eliminate hot spots, penetrate from a few diff. angles, that's what it's about. I keep mine only 5" from my tallest cola which would be impossible without the mover. 2 ft movement with 1k's works incredibly well. It's the biggest pain in the azz ever to set up right, with the air-cooling attached but I figured it out and I wouldn't want to go without mover again, no matter how many lights. Actually want a 9K rig off of 1 LR5 with 2 extenders. If you're aware of the light distance to plant ratio, even an inch closer makes a difference and I'm trying to extract every last one of them. :sick0018:

Thanks for posting the pics, the netting looks really useful. Your plants look very happy in there

Thanks mystry!

I learned how to make them by googling: "trellis cannabis". I just joined the forum (Please check my Introduction post) and I don't think links to other sites are kosher...

The girls look happy indeed :inlove Day 29 today... I'll take pic later but they look like they're a week ahead of schedule. I have a G13/Jack Herrer strain from Oaksterdam that already smells like pure rocket fuel... :D

KeepOnGrowingOn!

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

I just joined the forum (Please check my Introduction post) and I don't think links to other sites are kosher...

The girls look happy indeed :inlove Day 29 today... I'll take pic later but they look like they're a week ahead of schedule. I have a G13/Jack Herrer strain from Oaksterdam that already smells like pure rocket fuel... :D

KeepOnGrowingOn!

Hey a fellow OG survivor! I read your intro post (its alot like my intro post hehe) if i may, how/where do you hang your CHHC-1 sensor? I have the same unit and am just curious about your placement of it.

I concur about the DD systems. but I want to see someone attempt a dd-like setup but with a real areoponic system with the 50 micron water droplet size. I think that would be crazy fun to watch :) huge areo trees!! :nod

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

Here are two group photos from day 2 (as im writing this its a few hours from start of day 3 so im a little late posting these :itwasntme

and a few solo's:
this girl looks nice, she got real big in my cloner before transplant :)

This plant i expect good things from also, she has two main stems that start from the very base of the plant (she's not the only like that either, I cloned a few plants to try and accomplish that from the start.. i had to pick very specific clones to get it like that :nerd

And two root shots for good measure:

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

I glanced at old and new photos for a sec. these are literally about exactly 24 hours different:

these are the same'ish':

these are a pair:

and finally these too:

the foliage seems to have really gotten quit larger in one day. just thought I'd post the pics so a easy comparison could be done ;)

Thanks for stopping by

Happy Pharming!
-Mystre.Pharmer

 

[CelticEBE]

I concur about the DD systems. but I want to see someone attempt a dd-like setup but with a real areoponic system with the 50 micron water droplet size. I think that would be crazy fun to watch :) huge areo trees!! :nod

There is a guy called tree farmer on here doing just that. Although he doesnt update often the information is really good and his set up is pretty darn trick. Here's a link.....

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

There is a guy called tree farmer on here doing just that. Although he doesnt update often the information is really good and his set up is pretty darn trick. Here's a link.....

oh shit looky that! that's exactly what I'm talking about! lol that's awesome. I've been looking into constructing a High Pressure Areo system with air atomizing, air-actuated nozzles (stainless steel). but there isn't a ton of info on it, i have a few great links if anyone else is interested in it. but what i definitely dont want is a debate about "True areo" or "REAL" areo. the forums that do talk about high pressure areo always seem to get flamed by low pressure areo people complaining and hating on it.

not that THCfarmer.com is a place like that :) people here are more respectful and willing to hear new thoughts :) (which is why i joined here in the first place)

thanks for that link CelticEBE! much appreciated :)

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

OH, so about my foliage comment earlier, i went back to my chhc-1 and noticed that my co-2 setting was the same as it was for blooming last time. well, I dont think vegging plants need all that much co-2 supplementation. and I've read that cos will create more foliage in veg stage. so i turned my co-2 down to 500ppm for day light hours, lets see if that make a difference (i figure as long as mu sealed room has at least ambient outside levels of co2, Im supplying them with a little more than outside now)

any thoughts if it'll make a difference? ..only one way to find out ;)

thanks for stopping by

Happy Pharming!
-Mystre.Pharmer

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

LOL i feel like I'm constantly posting in here lol. but I wanted to get anyones opinion who's hanging out, or checkin out this thread.

I wanted to obtain some new genetics. I REALLY want to get my hands on Medicine man AND Shark Shock from Mr.Nice (I even joined the forum over on his website so get the updates) but all i can find is info saying that hes back from his vacation and seeds will be coming soon. well that was like in feb or something, its mid April now and i still cant locate any of those two. :(

But, I've looked on the THCBay and found a Heavy Duty Fruity and Bubblegum from THSeeds. anyone grow those? I want strains good for a true SOG style of growth. I just want to hear peoples opinions (preferably with first hand experience but not exclusively). I want to only consider options that are currently available. I don't want to dream about a strain that's out of stock and will be for months to come still.

My strain is G13 X Hash Plant X Northern Lights and the only pheno i saved (long story but lucky to save anything really) is northern lights dominate. I just want different strains/flavors/highs that can all grow in a compact/tight SOG. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

when i say grow with, i mean like one post is all this strain, while this post is all this strain if that makes sense to anyone ;)

thanks for stopping by

Happy Pharming!
-Mystre.Pharmer

 

[winta]

shit lookin right Mystre.Pharmer! it will be a jungle in there in a minute!

 

[cheech]

mystre farmer sweet grow. i've never grown thseeds hdf... however, i save the sites of my favorite grows, and big toke has grown it. you can read the journal here... he grew it along with ss ak47, and said hdf didn't even compare to ak47 in quality, smell, or yield. maybe grow ak47? i'm growing th seeds chocolate chunk and really like the smell though, so maybe hdf is good stuff.

 

[Shady]

This plant i expect good things from also, she has two main stems that start from the very base of the plant (she's not the only like that either, I cloned a few plants to try and accomplish that from the start.. i had to pick very specific clones to get it like that :nerd

I like having two main shoots as well... It's like a 2 for 1 deal. There's another way to accomplish that if you have ample time and space... Joe Shmoe used to top a plant, and then clone the top after it grew some more. So this can be intentionally done with some good timing... :cool

Just curious if most shots are taken after the morning feeding? :wondering I've never done aero and I wasn't sure if you constantly or intermittently spray the roots... Seems a bit droopy... How's your humidity levels? I assume they're dialed-in...

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

shit lookin right Mystre.Pharmer! it will be a jungle in there in a minute!

haha thanks winta, i can't wait till they're big enough to flip to 12/12 :)

mystre farmer sweet grow. i've never grown thseeds hdf... however, i save the sites of my favorite grows, and big toke has grown it. you can read the journal here... he grew it along with ss ak47, and said hdf didn't even compare to ak47 in quality, smell, or yield. maybe grow ak47? i'm growing th seeds chocolate chunk and really like the smell though, so maybe hdf is good stuff.

I'll definitely check his grow out, that page 8 the link goes too has his pictures of roots, and damn they are huge! lol i like his system. thanks for the link, ill read it from the beginning when i get some time :)

I like having two main shoots as well... It's like a 2 for 1 deal. There's another way to accomplish that if you have ample time and space... Joe Shmoe used to top a plant, and then clone the top after it grew some more. So this can be intentionally done with some good timing... :cool

Just curious if most shots are taken after the morning feeding? :wondering I've never done aero and I wasn't sure if you constantly or intermittently spray the roots... Seems a bit droopy... How's your humidity levels? I assume they're dialed-in...

I never even thought of topping then trimming, that's brilliant. Them would be some crazy clones :).

most shots are taken the second the lights come on, and during that the very first feeding is happening too.

Here is how i do things and I'd like to hear anyone else's thoughts too: (oh yea, its flood and drain btw ;) )

Im now currently doing a much shorter feeding time length than i used too. I flood for 4 mins, which is enough time for the water to raise to my overflow attachments. I've read that we shouldn't necessarily need to flood for longer than that, and anything more could have negative effects. this is a new concept for me, i used to use those timers that can only do things for 15 minute durations. but I have nice digital timers now so ill be more flexible.

I flood every 3 hours. I thought i might need to increase how often i feed with a shorter cycle, but as of right now i don't think i will need to.

also you know how those bulkhead fittings or ebb and flow parts fit? they screw on and have a very small lip before anything can drain. so I get like 1-2cm of nutrients that will sit in the posts, I don't think that's a huge deal, but i'd like to hear others opinions on that aswell..


so in summery, i flood every 3 hours for 4 mins (enough to totally saturate the roots for a few seconds) My rez has one of those circular air stones from my local hydro store that is aerating 24/7 (which i might get a timer for so its on for like 15 minutes at a time, meaning before and during a feeding the nutes get aerated but not constantly in between feedings, but I'm not sure about that yet)

Also, during veg i don't do a flood at night time but a flood happens near lights off.

I also noticed that my plants looked a little droopy and am not entirely sure as to why. also I only really get in there once at the beginning because I have a house guest at the moment so i really have no time to sneak off and do things in my garden. I want to go in at like mid day and see if they are drooping then.

My humidity is at ~50% during veg.

any thoughts or suggestions would be welcomed :)

Thanks for stopping by

Happy Pharming!
-Mystre.Pharmer