Shady’s Natural Selection… Round 4: More Strains & Growing Pains

[mikegreenthumb]

Damn shady here I was wondering what you were up to and you come out of the cuts with this Sentinel Master ay? Dude that is one super bad ass controller man! Very nice features. I bet you are loving that thing:heart

And you have certainly been doing some work in the veg tent to. Haven't been wasting your time at all I see. Nice job man!

Interesting how the MxB leaf closer to the light is deficient in mg but the one on the outer perimeter is not. Would you say that is because the leaf closer to the light is photosynthesizing at a higher rate so it's requirements are slightly higher then the other leaf? I have noticed that when I see deficiencies they tend to be on the leaves closer to the light.

i noticed same shit never put my finger on why thou good obeservation justice

 

[John Smith Esq.]

snap on that oscilating tower fan thingy, i have the same one!

Looking smart bro, you got any plans to use LED's for flowering?

 

[LEBDOG]

Great Shots Shady

I find a bit of utility is this technique. I also find it doesn't work for other things, but it's kinda cool for fading the background. I think I am lucky to be able to turn off the HPS and just use the 400MH alone @ 50%.

That LED tent setup is done very well. I can't wait to see how things go! How cool!

 

[Socachi]

Shady things are looking tight as always man. You got me thinking with that sentinel timer. I looking at bringing in co2 soon and I'm gonna need something to run it at optimal levels. Also looking into a DWC/MPB/UC system. But to do what I want I'm gonna need MORE POWER.

 

[HighTolerance]

Looking at your ish Shady make me want to say to all these big time growers, "suck my nuts." LOL Mods please don't ban me for that, I am just trying to express how sick Shady's skills are.

hahahahah you are killin it my friend.

LMAO, in my book Shady AKA Psycho Grower, in the best way possible.

Sorry for rambling mate, my current stash is mighty nice and it makes me blabber ;)

Have a good one my good friend. :sick0018::

 

[haze89]

Shady you got me jealous with every update homie. This is for sure one of the top 5 grow threads on the site IMO. Just dank bro.

 

[TheCoolestMan]

Jesus Shady! Ur clone rac looks away better than harboriside one ahah, u could run a dispensarie with that collection thats for sure.

I dont know but from pics ur ROG#3 looks similar to my ROG#3 and thats cool! Hows the smell on them?

Everythink looks so DANK! The OG Kush look str8 fire indeed, i love those cotton frozt covered hard nuggs...

Is that sentinel controller inside ur grow room? i see the red light thats why i was wondering.

justiceman i see ur point but im not sure its exactly right although it could be. A huge feeder will show def signs even if she not under the light, if she's not fed as needed IME. But maybe its diferent depending on strain and phenos...Will see what Shady thinks of this.

 

[Shady]

Shady Lessons and Feedings…

Damn shady here I was wondering what you were up to and you come out of the cuts with this Sentinel Master ay? Dude that is one super bad ass controller man! Very nice features. I bet you are loving that thing:heart

And you have certainly been doing some work in the veg tent to. Haven't been wasting your time at all I see. Nice job man!

Interesting how the MxB leaf closer to the light is deficient in mg but the one on the outer perimeter is not. Would you say that is because the leaf closer to the light is photosynthesizing at a higher rate so it's requirements are slightly higher then the other leaf? I have noticed that when I see deficiencies they tend to be on the leaves closer to the light.

Jesus Shady! Ur clone rac looks away better than harboriside one ahah, u could run a dispensarie with that collection thats for sure.

I dont know but from pics ur ROG#3 looks similar to my ROG#3 and thats cool! Hows the smell on them?

Everythink looks so DANK! The OG Kush look str8 fire indeed, i love those cotton frozt covered hard nuggs...

Is that sentinel controller inside ur grow room? i see the red light thats why i was wondering.

justiceman i see ur point but im not sure its exactly right although it could be. A huge feeder will show def signs even if she not under the light, if she's not fed as needed IME. But maybe its diferent depending on strain and phenos...Will see what Shady thinks of this.

I really appreciate the positive vibes and kind words of encouragement fellas! The Sentinel is in the bedroom cuz it's bright... I had to cover the LED panel with electrical tape, but they should really think about making a dimming switch.

Yeah I've been busy in the background trying to keep everything on track, but I'm far from perfect... I agree with both of you to some extent. How correct we are is hard to verify... I believe there are several issues at hand. First the leaves in the center of the scrog are the ones affected the most. It seems as though the light was too close... not creating a burn, but it does seem like the leaves are photosynthesizing at a faster rate. Leaves of the same plants in the perimeter seem perfect, but I can tell that they are not far behind in exhibiting these same deficiencies... IDK, maybe the rare Zinc def? I noticed that none of my nutrient profile contains Zinc... :wondering I'm running DTW so the pH is consistent... possibly too low to lockout Magnesium, which is why I raised it to 5.8 last week, and I raised the light to be 14" from the top of the colas.

dam shady tuff ass upgrades!

Glad you like them winta! :rock

snap on that oscilating tower fan thingy, i have the same one!

Looking smart bro, you got any plans to use LED's for flowering?

Sweet! That oscillating fan is perfect for the Sun Hut and the lower canopy... I just need to figure out how to clip on my small 6" fan for the upper canopy now. :thinking

Yeah, the LED's are for a test grow... The lights were flipped to 12/12 on 5/17/10. :flower

I find a bit of utility is this technique. I also find it doesn't work for other things, but it's kinda cool for fading the background. I think I am lucky to be able to turn off the HPS and just use the 400MH alone @ 50%.

That LED tent setup is done very well. I can't wait to see how things go! How cool!

I agree... the pure dark shots are good for a few closeups. Not very necessary if you know how to use Photoshop though. Thx for the props on the LED tent setup... Hope to see you in my test grow journal. :cool

Shady things are looking tight as always man. You got me thinking with that sentinel timer. I looking at bringing in co2 soon and I'm gonna need something to run it at optimal levels. Also looking into a DWC/MPB/UC system. But to do what I want I'm gonna need MORE POWER.

Thx Socachi! Hmmm, there's so much I'd like to do, but I absolutely agree on the proper electrical service and breakers... :icon_dizzy: Seems like the A/C needs to be on a separate service from the lights. Everything else can go on the third service, but that's for large setups... The Sentinel is great, but it's simply a very nice timer with the ability to control several diff devices. They make total environment controllers that will dose CO2 appropriately.

Looking at your ish Shady make me want to say to all these big time growers, "suck my nuts." LOL Mods please don't ban me for that, I am just trying to express how sick Shady's skills are.

hahahahah you are killin it my friend.

LMAO, in my book Shady AKA Psycho Grower, in the best way possible.

Sorry for rambling mate, my current stash is mighty nice and it makes me blabber ;)

Have a good one my good friend. :sick0018::

Ahh man... Must be some kind dank you're blazin'... :itwasntme Thx for the props, but I'm pretty ghetto compared to the pros here. I'm just trying to do the best with what I've got. I'm striving for perfection in an imperfect environment...

Shady you got me jealous with every update homie. This is for sure one of the top 5 grow threads on the site IMO. Just dank bro.

What's good brah! Thx for the very kind words... Geez, you're making me blush... :blush


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Shady Lessons and Feedings…

I’ll start with the shady news first… I culled Sensi Skunk #1 as it was a runt and I may cull the DUD #3 in hydroton as it is also too small. Both of these plants and the OG Kush in coco (front right corner) were too small at the flip. In reality these were last minute replacements for the 707 Headband clones that I culled before Round 5 began. Next time, I’ll have a full table of properly vegged plants to begin a round...

Additionally, I damaged the roots of the DUD #3 in hydroton when using the drip line stakes. If this plant was larger, the roots would have been established and not affected by the stakes. You can see the remaining DUD #3 in the following shot… It’s the short one, with very yellow leaves, on top of the 3 gal pot (front row, being shaded by the MxB).
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/R5Bloom.jpg

I must say, that I’ve experienced my fair share of mistakes and will continue to learn from them. Staying humble seems to be the name of the game when I keep trying new mediums… Over the last week I’ve been fine tuning the irrigation setup, including the duration and intervals of feeding. Initially I only had one drip line to each pot, so I’ve added a T splitter and two 6” lines to each pot, including some drip stakes that I’m trying out…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/IrrigationModification0.jpg

http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/IrrigationModification1.jpg

IMO after 4 weeks of hand watering with full coverage, the use of a single drip line along with the reduced watering and low PPM’s in Wk #5 has contributed to deficiencies in Nitrogen and Magnesium. To further complicate things, it’s possible that there is lockout occurring from too much Potassium and Calcium... Or maybe there is simply not enough food. So, I ran a nutrient profile of last week’s mix to determine the PPM’s of each nutrient:

Nitrogen Total (N)
163.00
Phosphorus (P)
180.00
Potassium (K)
358.00
Magnesium (Mg)
93.00
Sulfur (S)
49.00
Calcium (Ca)
183.00
Iron (Fe)
4.24
Boron (B)
0.00
Manganese (Mn)
1.30
Zinc (Zn)
0.00
Molybdenum (Mo)
0.02
Sodium (Na)
0.00
Copper (Cu)
0.00
Chlorine Cl
0.00
Cobalt Co
0.01
Silicon (Si)
0.00
Selenium (Se)
0.00

Total PPM’s1066.82

In comparison to Round 4, which was entirely soil with diff base nutes (Pure Blend Pro), the dosages of CalMag is similar or lower this round. In Round 4, I encountered yellowing leaves in Weeks 6 and 7…

Well, I’m targeting 1300 PPM for Wk #6 and will have to decide upon a new mix for tomorrow’s res change. In the meantime, I fed the girls a bit of Bud Candy and Flora Blend and then hit them and every plant in the garden with BioNeem for the last time. I’ve also been using Hot Shot No Pest Strips to keep the aphids under control. I seriously want to use SM-90 on my coco pots, but I really think Zone works better… The only reason I haven’t used either is because I’m using Great White and don’t want to kill off my mycorrhizae and beneficial bacteria. Okay… Rant is over… I feel better now.

Yesterday I injected all soil plants in the veg station with 5 ml/gal of CalMag, 1 ml/gal of Bud Candy, and Great White using the application rates (i.e. 3 oz for a 4” pot, and 16 oz for a 3 gal pot). Today I fed all soil plants in the veg station the following mix:

Shady Veg Feedings…
Summary of Thursday’s Soil Section Feedings... 5/20/10
The resulting teas are as follows in ml/gal:
Veg Station - CM:4/PBP Grow:9/FB:5/Roots Excelurator:1 = 590 PPM, 6.32 pH

Round 5 Bloom, and Round 6 Mothers in the LED test grow were also injected with Great White and Bud Candy yesterday at the same rates. Today Round 6 were fed their first bloom nutes:

Shady Round 6 Bloom Feedings…
Summary of Thursday’s Soil Section Feedings... 5/20/10
The resulting teas are as follows in ml/gal:
LED Mother Tent - CM:4/PBP Grow:3/PBP Bloom:5/FB:5/Bud Candy:2/Roots Excelurator:1 = 600 PPM, 6.27 pH *Start of Wk #1

After all that I put them through, I must say that the plants are starting to look great in the LED test grow. Here’s a shot taken yesterday…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/LEDR6Bloom1.jpg

And another one, before I clean the lower canopy again. BTW, these leaves are seriously starting to look better. They were horrible last month and have begun to bounce back with a vengeance…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/LEDR6Bloom0.jpg

Okay back to Round 5… How about a couple killer bud shots taken yesterday?

Chem Valley Kush #4 was carefully moved closer to the center now that there are exactly 16 plants on the table…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/CVK4-4.jpg

Blue Hellfire x Kali Mist #2 is a late bloomer…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/BHxKM2-3.jpg

But her sister Blue Hellfire x Kali Mist #3 is starting to show her sativa heritage…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/BHxKM3-2.jpg

And I’m blown away at how much better the Master Kush x Bubba Kush looks this round. Even with the deficiencies, the direct light has helped her shine…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/MxB-4.jpg

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[haze89]

That Master Bubba is gonna be some crazy smoke man. I love em each on their own, couldn't imagine what it's gonna smoke like. Gonna be knocking people on their asses with that one. Just ruin peoples days lol

 

[Skunkmasterflex]

What up shady fizzle...even with some nute diff they still ar looking better this round bro. Your MxB is looking WAY more chunky for sure! Great update! Culled the DUD#3 eh? U must be trying to get at a better DuD pheno huh? Well wither way I'm sure you will find that keeper. Chemdog's Sister is so joke so I hope your keeping that one from your round 4. Also your doing a great job with the LED so far considering this is your first run with it. Keep it up man your doing awesome. ~SMF~

 

[supasticky]

Damn, that LED station is comin up! Lookin like lots of fire. As far as the nute problem. I've seen way worse. Justice, and I think you too Shady, knows what I'm talking about lol

-Supa

 

[KushMaster707]

looking really nice shady, deff got some killer shit goin on. how is the smell on the mk x bk?

 

[Dr Tweed]

everything is lookin good under those leds bro you doin a nice job there.
and some nice porn to go along with it to those buds lookin dank my friend

 

[justiceman]

So, I ran a nutrient profile of last week’s mix to determine the PPM’s of each nutrient:

Nitrogen Total (N)
163.00
Phosphorus (P)
180.00
Potassium (K)
358.00
Magnesium (Mg)
93.00
Sulfur (S)
49.00
Calcium (Ca)
183.00
Iron (Fe)
4.24
Boron (B)
0.00
Manganese (Mn)
1.30
Zinc (Zn)
0.00
Molybdenum (Mo)
0.02
Sodium (Na)
0.00
Copper (Cu)
0.00
Chlorine Cl
0.00
Cobalt Co
0.01
Silicon (Si)
0.00
Selenium (Se)
0.00

Total PPM’s1066.82

In comparison to Round 4, which was entirely soil with diff base nutes (Pure Blend Pro), the dosages of CalMag is similar or lower this round. In Round 4, I encountered yellowing leaves in Weeks 6 and 7…

Woah dude nice nutrient profile! How do you go about identifying each elements amount in the solution anyway?

I have often heard that yellowing leaves in the last few weeks of flower is a common thing, especially when one uses low N bloom ferts. Isn't the smoke smoother when the leaves have faded a bit?

I am liking those nugs, but that BH x KM #3 is calling me especially with its sativa tendencies! Loving that frost mang!
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Shady%20Round%205/BHxKM3-2.jpg

 

[HighTolerance]

Everything looks top notch man.

For def just up the dose a bit, very early finishers might start yellowing around week 5 but the strains you are running should certainly be green around this time. A day or two of extra cal-mag won't hurt much, would even help in diagnosing the problem.

I agree with Justice, the CVK looks sick man.

 

[Mystre.Pharmer]

Whats up buddy! just thought Id stop by and share some love for them beautiful plants you got there :). doing a great job like usual!

how are you liking those LED's? I was thinking of getting some for a smaller project. keep up the great work! :)

-Mystre.Pharmer

 

[Shady]

Shady Deficiencies…

That Master Bubba is gonna be some crazy smoke man. I love em each on their own, couldn't imagine what it's gonna smoke like. Gonna be knocking people on their asses with that one. Just ruin peoples days lol

Sup haze89! Thx bud... :D It's very true, I too love Master Kush and Bubba Kush, but she will knock you on your ass... I passed out last night writing a shady journal update. Now if I could just figure out why she's gettin' locked out... :thinking

What up shady fizzle...even with some nute diff they still ar looking better this round bro. Your MxB is looking WAY more chunky for sure! Great update! Culled the DUD#3 eh? U must be trying to get at a better DuD pheno huh? Well wither way I'm sure you will find that keeper. Chem sis is so joke so I hope your keeping that one from your round 4. Also your doing a great job with the LED so far considering this is your first run with it. Keep it up man your doing awesome. ~SMF~

Always a pleasure to see you over here SMF! Actually I culled Sensi Skunk #1 cuz it was too short as is DUD#3 in the hydroton pot. Both were simply too small at the flip. However the DUD #3 in coco is looking great except for a Ca def... I'm really glad you like Chem's Sis #1. Can you taste a slight bit of kush in her? I seem to, but maybe that's because I blaze a lot of kush around here... :itwasntme

Damn, that LED station is comin up! Lookin like lots of fire. As far as the nute problem. I've seen way worse. Justice, and I think you too Shady, knows what I'm talking about lol

-Supa

Thx Supa! Yeah man, I spent last night looking at photos from the last 3 rounds using RO and CalMag... These deficiencies are all recurring and tend to happen around weeks 5 through 7. Maybe it's a lockout situation... :wondering

looking really nice shady, deff got some killer shit goin on. how is the smell on the mk x bk?

Whaddup KushMaster707! Thx for stopping by buddy... Oh man, the MxB is smelling like a Bubba with a hint of Master Kush. It truly is an amazing plant and one I'd highly recommend to anyone that likes Bubba... :mmm

everything is lookin good under those leds bro you doin a nice job there.
and some nice porn to go along with it to those buds lookin dank my friend

Thx bud! The Round 6 LED test grow is starting to look better every day... It was started 5 wks after Round 5's commencement. So with 10 wk strains in each round, I will be harvesting every 5 wks as planned. :harvest:

Woah dude nice nutrient profile! How do you go about identifying each elements amount in the solution anyway?

I have often heard that yellowing leaves in the last few weeks of flower is a common thing, especially when one uses low N bloom ferts. Isn't the smoke smoother when the leaves have faded a bit?

I am liking those nugs, but that BH x KM #3 is calling me especially with its sativa tendencies! Loving that frost mang!

Actually I used the nutrient profile calculator from pH's site (Lucas' mentor) to determine the PPM's of each nutrient added including the supplements like CalMag and HammerHead. Here's the site and the nutrient profile calculator is at the bottom:
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

Interestingly, I use a 0.5 conversion ratio on my Hanna, but the calculator uses a 0.7 conversion ratio. That coupled with the shady dilution method and the bowl I just blazed has me a bit dizzy... :icon_dizzy:

Everything looks top notch man.

For def just up the dose a bit, very early finishers might start yellowing around week 5 but the strains you are running should certainly be green around this time. A day or two of extra cal-mag won't hurt much, would even help in diagnosing the problem.

I agree with Justice, the CVK looks sick man.

Ehh... :fubar That didn't work... :worried Guess it's time to flush the coco.

Whats up buddy! just thought Id stop by and share some love for them beautiful plants you got there :). doing a great job like usual!

how are you liking those LED's? I was thinking of getting some for a smaller project. keep up the great work! :)

-Mystre.Pharmer

Hey bro! Glad you had the chance to check out the LED's. I'll be honest, the first day I had the LED's, I was skeptical... then the next couple days and until now, I'm starting to believe that they are great for smaller setups. I'll hold judgement until the harvest though... :wait which is 9 weeks out.



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Shady Deficiencies…

On Friday the leaves in Round 5’s coco section continue to show worse signs of interveinal chlorosis with the hydroton seedlings not far behind…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/Round5Def.jpg

Here’s the top cola of the largest MxB photographed on Friday night…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/MxBDef0.jpg

The same MxB’s largest fan leaves don’t look any better on Saturday night either…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/MxBDef1.jpg

I raised the light another inch and will have to figure out what’s going on soon since I can see the progression reaching the fan leaves adjacent to the cola’s…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/MxBDef3.jpg

After reviewing last week’s nutrient profile, I believe the issue might be salt buildup causing nutrient lockout, exacerbated by high water and room temps. Also, this is the first time I’ve done drain to waste, so the pH has been consistent in the res each week. In contradiction, my recirculating ebb ‘n flo I usually allow for a pH drift from 5.7 to 6.0 between res changes and top off’s. That being said, I raised the pH of Wk #6’s res change:

Shady Round 5 Bloom Feedings…
Summary of Friday’s Hydro Res Change... 5/21/10
The following amounts are as follows in ml/gal and based upon a 25 gal res (filled w/40 gal of R/O):
Drain to Waste - CM:10/Grow:0/Micro:9/Bloom:18/FB:5/Hammerhead:5 = 1230 PPM, 5.90 pH *Start of Wk #6

I don’t think I have any other choice, but to flush with some Flora Kleen…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/FloraKleen.jpg

And then raise CalMag to 7 ml/gal the following week, which would be just over 11 ml/gal based on the shady dilution of using 25 gal in the calculation of the 40 gal res. That’s a lot of CalMag…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/CalMagGallon.jpg

In any event, the buds are looking perfect and starting to become more dense, although I hope they start to pack on weight in the next couple weeks. Here’s the OG Kush in coco…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/OGKush.jpg

Double Underdawg #3 in coco is starting to blow up, even with the Ca def...
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/DoubleUnderdawg3.jpg

Raskal’s OG #1 in hydroton is showing heat stress, and continues to be N and Mg deficient…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/RaskalsOG1.jpg

And furthest from the light is Raskal’s OG #3 looking absolutely stellar…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/RaskalsOG3.jpg

Yesterday I topped off the Shady Veg Station’s res with 3 gal of RO including 14 ml total CalMag, and 9 ml total of Zone. This brought the res down to 660 PPM and I added base to raise the pH to 5.90. This evening I supercropped all of the tallest branches for all plants and will have to setup another mother tent soon…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/SVS.jpg


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P.S. Here's a sneak peek at the LED Test Grow thread... Follow the quote to see more pictures...

Shady’s Round 6: LED Update…

I switched to the Honeywell fan that GM used, but I used a 6” duct and 8” reduction vent taped to the fan at the lowest setting…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/ShadyVentilation1.jpg

:cool

 

[R. Face]

Hey Shady, wow man your Raskal OG #3 looks GREAT dood. Id def love a cut of that and your DUD 3, cause man looks like those are some winners!! Your def doing good man, dont worry about the def.s, 1st time in coco, id say its a success my man.

And come thru anytime man, we gotta sample that bubble together, its out of this world! Like your budshots!

Later holmes!

 

[Socachi]

Yeah that ROG is looking great. How you liking the smell of her, gotta love that scent.
Any pics of your exhaust inside your tent?

 

[supasticky]

The same MxB’s largest fan leaves don’t look any better on Saturday night either…
http://i858.invalid.com/albums/ab146/ShadyRoundFive/MxBDef1.jpg

Looks a lot like a Mag def to me. Is the bottom of the plant further along than this leaf? Could be some build up that's causing lock out. Flushing is probably the best way to go.

-Supa