House & Garden Nutes., Under Current Systems, 30,000 Watts, 10 Tons of A/C, Co2

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Hola,

Ben, i am going to put gh 3 part aside, time to play with house and garden. I just dont see that amazing growth with it in the UC. If anything happens my finger is going to be pointed straight at you :)
 
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Ben,

How much water are the ladies drinking each day approximately?

This room is going through about 250+ gallons a week. This breaks down to each plant using about 2 gallons a day. bd:evilgrin0013:


Looking sick my brother.....did you leave a control group (without Williams Works) to compare to? Seems like it might be hard to differentiate between whats making the plants blow up given this is your first UC run and all?

Keep up the inspiring work.

Thanks man! I'll do my best.
Yes, I did leave a control group. I always have a control group when trying a new product. With the Under Current the plants do have an accelerated growth that I haven't experienced before in any other system but, when I added Williams Works to the Under Current the growth was multiplied in comparison to my control group. The Under Current is a great product and Williams Works compliments it immensely. bd:rock


wow nice scrog'n that room looks packed

Thanks!
It is! Not sure if I would call my style a S.C.O.G.. In my opinion using a screen restricts the plants growth. I call this a grid. Being more open than a screen, it allows the plants to easily grow through and provides lateral support for the branches during late flowering. bd ;)


really niceeee! those girls are perfect...i dont see any deficiencies or anything really pretty and shiny!

Thanks!
House & Garden is some pretty amazing stuff! Having the proper environment doesn't hurt either...


Killin it Bro...:hunter: I bet you keep telling your self where has the Under Curent been all my life:giggle...I was abel to take my Chemdog #4 to 1800 ppm with no signs of burn and rode it at 1600 to 1650...Big Ups Bro JACK...

Right on Jack. Thanks!
I have had the O.G. and the Skywalker both up to 1780ppm with very little signs of stress. They seem to like a range of high 1500's to low 1600's at this stage of growth... bd


Very nice plants
The UC rocks the house BIG time

Thanks bud!
Rockin' the house without a doubt!
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ive never seen such amazing ops since i came to this site . ppl burning 16to30kw in lights seems normal here . FUCKING AMAZING to me ! better than PORN

Quite amazing in deed!
The information shared and discussed is even more amazing... :confused0059:


damn... shits lookin packed as fuck! Amazing growth for 3 days too! every time i see your guys UC's i hate my soil more and more lol.

Thanks!
Its tight in there for sure.


Good God man! Can you even walk in there? I take it you aren't doing any leaf plucking.

Are you using any kind of Cal/Mag supplementation with the H&G line up?

I can't wait to set up a UC system. You and Jack are an inspiration for sure.

Thanks brother!
The only leaves I remove now are ones that are dieing or dead. No Cal/Mag. Just House & Garden.


for reals... how do u get in the middle of that jungle? we cant figure it out. lol

HaHaHa!
I have room to maneuver below the canopy. I am able to crawl between the buckets... Not Ideal but, It works.


hey Ben, just read from start to finish & i must say, amazingly done, looks like something from my dreams :). what are the green/black valve or knob lookin thingys that I've seen in the pictures with the cool coils(which is also beautifully setup, i love how the discs fit so well in the coil lol)Cheers:animbong:

Thank you very much!
The green and black valves you are asking about are on my Veg. system. It is a custom system that I worked on with Dan from Current Culture to fit my specific needs. This specific system returns the nutrient solution back to the front manifold rather then dump back into a control module. The valves allow me to connect a garden hose to the systems and use the existing pumps that power the systems to drain the systems. I don't think you will see this system available to the general public. From what I was told, this specific system was only built for myself and one other person... I have seen the other one on this site. Can you guess who has it? :bubblez:


Hola,

Ben, i am going to put gh 3 part aside, time to play with house and garden. I just dont see that amazing growth with it in the UC. If anything happens my finger is going to be pointed straight at you :)

Just remember that every time you point a finger at someone that you have another three fingers pointing back at you...(point at something and look at your hand if you don't understand). People are always quick to blame their nutrients for their lack of success. The truth is that 98% of the time it is the fault of the grower that he or she is not having the success they feel they should be having. bd :nerd
 
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Whats tonight?? 32 going on 33?? I know you've taken some snap shots :) Sharing is caring...

With 4 plants per 1000 bulb, will the 13 gallon modules make a significant difference in comparison to the 8?

In a completely sealed, aircooled lights, how many hoods do you think are capable of being ran with a 3 ton a/c unit. Obviously this is a rough estimate, but if I only have access to a 3 ton, do you think it may be sufficient??

What is your "rule of thumb" when it comes to chilling the units..Any tips?

Thanks for all the awesome knowledge...doesn't get any better then this, and I mean it...
 
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Whats tonight?? 32 going on 33?? I know you've taken some snap shots :) Sharing is caring...

With 4 plants per 1000 bulb, do you suggest the 13 gallon modules over the 8.

Thanks for all the awesome knowledge...doesn't get any better then this, and I mean it...

OK, OK, I know I'm lagging. I will get some pics up tomorrow bro...

The 8 gallon modules will be plenty large enough if you plan on growing 4 plants per 1k watt light. I just took down some monsters out of my 8 gallon system. I'm sure you saw what jack was able to accomplish with the 8 gallon modules as well. Keep in mind that with the 25" centers you don't want to grow your plants as large as Jack or myself. Large plants grown that close together will end up choking each other out and having poor quality bud. bd

Your welcome!
Thank you as well!



Here are some pics of the root masses that I grew in 40 days in the 8 gallon modules.

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Hey bud! That was a very quick response..you got to it before I edited my post! sorry! lol.

So thats after 40 days huh?? And you think that will be sufficient?? lol very impressive!! I've never seen a root mass so large and dense, so quick.

Keep it up dude. The OG looks to do insane in the UC system as well!! I'm sure its not all the system though, that's for sure.

Peace
 
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Haha i was kiddin with ya.

I just wanted to switch, gh is a good nutrient, and i had plenty of good results with it. But with the UC it doesnt really seem to do well. The good thing about it was i ran the system completely sterile. Then i had bad gene that hermied and was very slow in veg phase. So i got some new stuff in and figure i should try something else. I was thinking of canna, but nah i went with house and garden. I had like half of the stuff on my shelf already.

BTW, can you tell me more about the great white? what do you mean by crown feeding it?

My raskal super skunk is waiting on my drain table until i see some roots coming out of that 4x2.5rw cube and its time to play.

I didnt mean pointing the finger in a bad way :) my b
 
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Here is a couple of pics of the system I built for some of my mothers.... The black modules I had custom made. They are 22" x 22" wide and 12" tall. Each one holds 18 gallons. The control module is an 8 gallon Under current module I had laying around. This system utilizes 3" PVC pipe between the modules. An AP100 air pump with 3/8" air line to each module. The 3 modules for the plants have air shields and the control module has the same 9" diffuser used by the Under Current. A Cool Coil is also in place and connected to my chiller to keep the nutrient solution cool. I think that about covers it. Take a look. bd

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Oh man... Every time I see that custom cooling coil I get chills down my spine... Very clean Ben. Looking forward to some wall to wall bud shots... :cool
 
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Hey Ben
Thanks for the continued updates and details. Your setup for Mother plants looking sharp. Did you have those buckets made specifically because of their larger capacity?

I'm curious about controlling the flow to each cool-coil. Do you have temperature controlled valves at the cooling manifold that adjust the flow in each line to thermostat each line individually?

Also, in the veg. setup return line design that you mention a few posts above, what was the motivation for that modification? To keep things less busy in the epicenter?
awesome work man, a huge inspiration
Max
 
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Hey ben, where did you get custom made modules, do you have a link you can share?.
beautiful grow.
 
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ben,

spectacular!

i notice that you seem to be keeping your water at 66 degrees. i was wondering (after seeing your other thread) if you've tried running the water colder, and if so, what was the difference?

also, can you tell us more about using the coil in the reservoir. i understand its advantage when running several systems off of one chiller . . . but if you were setting up only one system would you consider using it over running the nutes through the chiller?








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Hey ben, where did you get custom made modules, do you have a link you can share?.
beautiful grow.

Probably US Plastics or TankDepot.....bet that was at least $100.00 per bin with the lid, pricey.
 
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In a completely sealed, aircooled lights, how many hoods do you think are capable of being ran with a 3 ton a/c unit. Obviously this is a rough estimate, but if I only have access to a 3 ton, do you think it may be sufficient??

What is your "rule of thumb" when it comes to chilling the units..Any tips?

Unfortunately the correct answer to this question relies on some unknown limiting factors... first one is, what size bulb do you want to use?... The second is the temperature of the air moving across the bulbs... Third would be the size of the ducting/cooling flange on the hoods. Also the total length of ducting with the total amounts of 90's/bends. This is necessary to determine the amount of static pressure in the line and properly size the fan or fans cooling the lights... Fourth is whether the A/C unit you plan on using is dedicated to that room alone or has other duties as well. For example, an A/C that is used to cool your dwelling (home) as well as your grow room... Fifth would be, what is the maximum outside air temperature during the hottest time of year in the region that you want to grow in?.. sixth, how many square feet is your room?.. Last would be whether or not you are using a Co2 burner and how many lights you plan on daisy chaining together.

With all that being said, If you had a properly sized fan moving 65 degree air or less across 1k watt bulbs with a dedicated A/C and a maximum outside air temp of 80 degrees you should be able to cool a moderately sized room with 12-14 1k watt lights while using a Co2 burner with a 3 ton A/C assuming it is rated at 36,000 Btu or better.

In regards to chilling the Under Current systems, again it all relates to limiting factors... What is the maximum room temperature? How much water needs to be chilled? Does the system sit on concrete? (Concrete absorbs heat very well). What brand of chiller will you be using? (Not all chillers are created equal). Etc, etc,etc...

Simple questions.... Not so simple answers...:icon_dizzy:


Haha i was kiddin with ya.

I just wanted to switch, gh is a good nutrient, and i had plenty of good results with it. But with the UC it doesnt really seem to do well. The good thing about it was i ran the system completely sterile. Then i had bad gene that hermied and was very slow in veg phase. So i got some new stuff in and figure i should try something else. I was thinking of canna, but nah i went with house and garden. I had like half of the stuff on my shelf already.

BTW, can you tell me more about the great white? what do you mean by crown feeding it?

My raskal super skunk is waiting on my drain table until i see some roots coming out of that 4x2.5rw cube and its time to play.

I didnt mean pointing the finger in a bad way :) my b

HaHa! All good...

To crown feed is to apply nutrients/beneficial bacteria directly to the root crown located just below the base of the stalk of the plant. I do this using an electric sprayer. bd

Oh man... Every time I see that custom cooling coil I get chills down my spine... Very clean Ben. Looking forward to some wall to wall bud shots... :cool

HaHa!
pun Intended i'm guessing...:smiley_joint:


Hey Ben
Thanks for the continued updates and details. Your setup for Mother plants looking sharp. Did you have those buckets made specifically because of their larger capacity?

I'm curious about controlling the flow to each cool-coil. Do you have temperature controlled valves at the cooling manifold that adjust the flow in each line to thermostat each line individually?

Also, in the veg. setup return line design that you mention a few posts above, what was the motivation for that modification? To keep things less busy in the epicenter?
awesome work man, a huge inspiration
Max

Thanks!

In regards to the buckets I had made, the answer to your question is yes. That and I wanted something with a uniform foot print and a low profile.

As for the Cool Coils they are thermostatically controlled by the chiller which has a thermostat. I am able to control the temperature of each individual Cool Coil by slightly closing the shutoff valves leading to each Cool Coil and restricting the flow of water through the Cool Coil.

The motivation behind designing my veg. system was purely from size restrictions of my room and the amount of plants I needed.


Hey ben, where did you get custom made modules, do you have a link you can share?.
beautiful grow.

Thanks!
These are not an off the shelf Item. When I used the word custom I meant it in every sense of the word. They are made from polypropylene and are not cheap.


ben,

spectacular!

i notice that you seem to be keeping your water at 66 degrees. i was wondering (after seeing your other thread) if you've tried running the water colder, and if so, what was the difference?

also, can you tell us more about using the coil in the reservoir. i understand its advantage when running several systems off of one chiller . . . but if you were setting up only one system would you consider using it over running the nutes through the chiller?

Papa

Thanks man!
66 degrees is low as I go with my water temps so far...Any cooler and it is possible for the plants growth rate to slow.

As for the question of using a Cool Coil if you only have one system... My answer would be yes. It is more efficient to use a Cool Coil rather than run your nutrient solution through a chiller. Not to mention that the salts in your nutrient solution will cause the chiller to prematurely ware out unless it is thoroughly cleaned between each harvest. Another benefit to using a Cool Coil is that you can/should run propylene glycol (food grade antifreeze) through the chiller and coil which cools down faster and stays cooler longer then water. Also the propylene glycol will keep your chiller and pump lubricated and in turn help them last longer. bd

Probably US Plastics or TankDepot.....bet that was at least $100.00 per bin with the lid, pricey.

No and No...:giggle But they were pricey... more then $100 per bin...not economical for most but, these bins will last a lifetime...
 
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ben your a scientist my man, Those tubs are awesome 18 gallons sounds sweet
 
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As for the question of using a Cool Coil if you only have one system... My answer would be yes. It is more efficient to use a Cool Coil rather than run your nutrient solution through a chiller. Not to mention that the salts in your nutrient solution will cause the chiller to prematurely ware out unless it is thoroughly cleaned between each harvest. Another benefit to using a Cool Coil is that you can/should run propylene glycol (food grade antifreeze) through the chiller and coil which cools down faster and stays cooler longer then water. Also the propylene glycol will keep your chiller and pump lubricated and in turn help them last longer. bd
Damn... I'm sold on the coiling coil. Any opinion on the JBJ 1/10 hp Artica Chiller for a single UC 6 w/8 gallon buckets and whether it can run the Cool Coil? :wondering I need to pull the trigger and upgrade my room to run the UC ASAP... BTW, that propylene glycol sounds interesting. What happens if the chiller is in the same room as the garden, but is ducted outside... Are there concerns with off-gasing?
 
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I don't have any experience with these chillers personally but, I did take a look at the specs. on the unit you mentioned. The specs. claim that the unit can chill up to 1270 BTU/hr, this should be sufficient enough to chill +or- 42 gallons (approximately what the UC-6 holds) given your maximum room temperature doesn't exceed 82 degrees.
 
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