15 gallon buckets w/ cocco

[organicfreak]

so are you guys basically saying that coco and smart pots are better than hydro as far as output and size of plants

If I were to answer this honestly I would have to say that DD's system HAS THE BEST RESULTS... SO NO COCO DOESNT HAVE "BETTER YEILDS" IMHO

When you take a plant and offer it the unlimited amounts of nutrients in a highly oxygenated bath and then wrap on 3-4 sides 1000k per plant HOW DO YOU COMPETE????

Ive personally tried lol with coco and 20 gal s.p and had to veg for 3-4 months and the flower for 8 wks to get 2-3lb's SO YES IT'S WORTH IT.. however I feel if i was in the DD's hydro part as well as the light configuration I coud have vegged for 2 months and flowered for 2 saving 1-2 months and I believe I COULD DOUBLE THE YEILDS...

This time around I'm trying pgr's to see if I cant boost production..
I've had buds size of arms/fist,BUT DD'S pic buds are size of heads/thighs

ALL IMHO

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ps when the law gives you an out medically why not grow tree's to stay within our legal rights? Seems pretty fucking stupid to go load up on plants and shoot for ounces and RISK GOING TO PRISON.. IMHO

 

[antimatter]

I HAVE USED AND STILL USE SMARTPOTS... Again THEY ROCK!!!!

You can save money and go with knock offs same technology IMHO..

I will not argue these facts I stated... Plastic pot cause swirling causeing smaller root ball = SMALLER YEILD'S NO matter how you say it..

Yes plastic pots do spiral around but its not as bad as you make it out to be, if a plant that produces 1lb of dry bud is grown in a 5 gallon plastic bucket filled with coco, why would you want to grow in a smaller container and use 100% of the coco it would just require tons of watering. Ive examined rootballs from plants that varied in sizes some being double the size and the rootballs were all the same size, the only difference is the big plants needed to be watered alot more often...It makes sense from a tree nursery point of view because the trees need to be transported and you want to reduce the fuel costs by reducing pot size but for growing marijuana it doesn't.

Perfect example of what im trying to say here. 5 gallon pot, did the grower have to water alot yes, multiple times per day.
http://img7.invalid.com/img7/5750/img2675j.jpg

 

[Snow Crash]

lol at that plant in the tiny planter.

I can imagine feeding it one can of water and actually hearing the plant slurp it up like it was the end of a soda cup all "SSSSLLLLRRRRPPPPP-p-p--p-p"

That thing looks like it'd need a gallon per hour 12 hours per day.

 

[organicfreak]

antimatter

I TOTTALLY AGREE bigger pots will equal bigger tree's.. I was quoting owner when I said they are like 2 for 1's or doubled... He could be exaggerating..

I personally use 20 gal and can acheive 8footer's and water every 56hrs. with 4 gallons of feed/water...

I do feel better results would be had with a drip system watered constant or
3 x a day..

However the circulating of the roots is important in this(IMHO)
WHEN PRUNED THE PLANTS SENDS ANOTHER ROOT...This is then reapeated over and over...
You see this very impressively in the 1 gal and in the 3gal.
You get roots that I compare to the playdoo doll's that you fill in the ass and push and the playdoo comes out as hair.... This is what the bottom1/2 of smartpot looks like within 1wk or 2..
Then they die off cause of the pruning,but whats left behind is all that straight MASSIVE ROOT BALL... when transplanting there's nothing but crumb's lol I sometimes wonder where the coco went...

I start in 1 gallons then 3gal then 7gal then 20gal all in 8-12 wk achieving
5-7' in veg and rest in flower usually end up with 8' 1.5-2.5lb.. trying pgr's and co2 this time around hoping for 3-6 per...

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[antimatter]

antimatter

I TOTTALLY AGREE bigger pots will equal bigger tree's.. I was quoting owner when I said they are like 2 for 1's or doubled... He could be exaggerating..

I personally use 20 gal and can acheive 8footer's and water every 56hrs. with 4 gallons of feed/water...

I do feel better results would be had with a drip system watered constant or
3 x a day..

However the circulating of the roots is important in this(IMHO)
WHEN PRUNED THE PLANTS SENDS ANOTHER ROOT...This is then reapeated over and over...
You see this very impressively in the 1 gal and in the 3gal.
You get roots that I compare to the playdoo doll's that you fill in the ass and push and the playdoo comes out as hair.... This is what the bottom1/2 of smartpot looks like within 1wk or 2..
Then they die off cause of the pruning,but whats left behind is all that straight MASSIVE ROOT BALL... when transplanting there's nothing but crumb's lol I sometimes wonder where the coco went...

I start in 1 gallons then 3gal then 7gal then 20gal all in 8-12 wk achieving
5-7' in veg and rest in flower usually end up with 8' 1.5-2.5lb.. trying pgr's and co2 this time around hoping for 3-6 per...

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I saw no benefit to the rootpruning except for the ability of the smartpots to create a perfect mat of roots with no wasted medium, im glad you like them but I never saw a difference.

 

[Hasbro]

Great read. I came to the coco section to ask about using large pots and, shazzam, this thread was staring me in the face!

I've been in the hort. business for many years but this will be my first time grow. I want to use 15gl. containers but, hey, I have no problems with 20s. Actually, for the first grow I'll use a 4x4x8t closet with 4 plants. Organicfreak, what would be the largest pots I could use? Two will be organic soil, two coco/perlite.

 

[ibTheMan]

7 Gallon pots are plenty. 7 gallons will support over 10oz no prob.

 

[ProdigyGrower]

Well I just said fuck it and went and bought 20 7 gallon pots they are big ass fuck. I've only Ben growing since last nov I pulled 8 zips per plant in 5 gallon pots I topped them prolly 30 tines so I can't Waite to see what I do with these. I'm gonna let my girls root out the 5 gallon pots for the next week and then transplant them in the 7 gallon pots give them another 10 days of vegg and then flipbive also topped these girls even more then I did last time. I love coco you get all the benefits of soil ie the ability to create and maintain a soild rizosphere of bennie bateria and fungus and you get all the bennies of hydro the vigerious growth and amazing root mass. I have quite a few different strains going this time critical sensi star , blue widow, blue hash, Cali hashplant, super skunk, sweet afghani delicious, diesel, white widow,critical+, kaia kush, white stormy cough, Larry og, corleone kush, Julius caesar, super sour og, the seedlings i have going are alien Dawg, yo mamma, querkle, pre98 bubba, white x Appalachia, white Dawg, tahoe og, northern lights, emeril jack, Chem 99, socal99,black berry pie and Cheech wizard, ( purple urkle x bubblegum) x (bubba) oh and more Larry og I think that's it these are gonna be for my next 2 runs so I have a lot of pheno hunting but it's gonna be fun for sure I'll try to get pics up in the next week or so half of these are fem seeds and the others only popped 1 or 2 of so not as many plants as it sounds but I'm sure I'll finds some keepers . And I'll get to see if the 7 gallon pots make a significant difference over the 5 gallon pots .

 

[mango420]

On the smart pot issue, i dont see any benefit either. I actually prefer the look of the root system in regular pots over sp's. Yes it air prunes the root. But even in plastic pots your roots still are air pruned when they hit the plastic, just not all of them. They still shoot out everywhere till they hit the pot, and then some swirl around, and some dont. Heres some rootporn from regular pots.

2litre pot pure coco after a few weeks

2litre pot 75%perlite 25%coco

5 gallon bucket rootbound in pure coco hard as a rock, going into 27 gallon totes

5 gallon bucket rootbound in 75% perlite 25% coco..can barely see the medium anymore! also being transplanted into 27 gallon totes.

I couldnt break these 5 gallon root masses apart if I wanted they were so hard, I just dont see how smart pots could be better. When the growth slowed in the 5's I knew it was time to go big.

 

[organicfreak]

Great read. I came to the coco section to ask about using large pots and, shazzam, this thread was staring me in the face!

I've been in the hort. business for many years but this will be my first time grow. I want to use 15gl. containers but, hey, I have no problems with 20s. Actually, for the first grow I'll use a 4x4x8t closet with 4 plants. Organicfreak, what would be the largest pots I could use? Two will be organic soil, two coco/perlite.

7 are plenty big, but if trees are your goal bigger the better
again I use 20 gals cause there wider the 15galons but I only fill them 3/4 way SO REALLY 15 GALLONS OF COCO 85% perlite 15%..

If you don't leave room on top and fill complety. IT IS A BITCH TO WATER THEM...

Another tip FUCK THE TRAYS FROM THE HYDRO STORE...
Go with rubber made lids there 45 gallon brute garbage cas workAWSOME FOR RUNOFF...
But now I prefer there 50 galon totes LIDS can hold like 8-10 galons of runoff..

Another tip is always check ppm's in the runoff. If lower then your feeding FEED MORE... if there higher water next time IF REALLY HIGH FLUSH UNTILL PPM ARE LOW,and feed again with next feed...

ph IS NOT RELIABLE IN THE RUNOFF..
you a in soil meter(preferably digital expensive 1 MORE ACURATE)
If can't afford you can pitch a few inches down in the coco and grab a pich.. Put this in a cup ad ad water put ph meter in this solution VERY ACCURATE..
google for ratio of water to coco..

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[mrdizzle]

youngdro? is that you

 

[organicfreak]

also use ezymes they keep pot nice and black instead of green /white algea..
I prefer carefree lake enzymes ANOTHER MEBER RECOMENDED to me to use there pond version..
I talked to owner and he recoended the lake version cause it was more consentrated... lol he wasnt jokking I use at .5ml/gal were hygrozymes,cannnazymes,sensizymes all recomend 10ml/gal plus...
For those who can't multiply THATS 20X more a feeding then carefree enzymes lake version...
AND IMHO the hydro store versions work half as well if @ all...
and for the same price a gallon WHY THROW YOUR $ AWAY???

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[antimatter]

youngdro? is that you

The grammer is awfully familiar, im glad you brought it up. :evilgrin0040:

 

[organicfreak]

hello friend..
It's me organic freak you know person handing out free wisdom. and I'm accused of being some1? and now cause I dont edit and you can't translate my free wisdom is no good?

I'll still do me and pass on FREE WISDOM and you can go get a webster and translate for us...

Any1 have any questions or concern's I'll still be here to stand up for myself

peace

o

ps. I come to these threads to learn and teach what do you come for? keep it real and keep it clean no reason to hate cause we skin a cat differently...

 

[antimatter]

hello friend..
It's me organic freak you know person handing out free wisdom. and I'm accused of being some1? and now cause I dont edit and you can't translate my free wisdom is no good?

I'll still do me and pass on FREE WISDOM and you can go get a webster and translate for us...

Any1 have any questions or concern's I'll still be here to stand up for myself

peace

o

ps. I come to these threads to learn and teach what do you come for? keep it real and keep it clean no reason to hate cause we skin a cat differently...

organicfreak my advice to you is to make your wisdom more legible from now on especially when talking about pulling 2.5lb plants, this website is used as a growguide and in order for members to take in your wisdom you need to preview post and make sure everything is concise.

 

[organicfreak]

school is out friend.
But thanks for the lesson on writing.

Again were here to talk trees/coco large pots, or did I hurt your feelings?and now it's a pissing contest about spelling???? r u 4 real?

Please let's get back on track discussing what matter's growing trees...

and IMHO if you cant grow 1.5-2.5 from a tree then you should NOT BE GROWING TREES..

but what amazes me is I want 3-6 lbs off a tree with ALOT OF LIGHTS CO2 AND PGR'S...
Seems this would be a more interesting coversation to the group..
Dont you agree?
Wether or not you can read ,or I can spell should be left out of conversation
IMHO

thanks
o

 

[antimatter]

school is out friend.
But thanks for the lesson on writing.

Again were here to talk trees/coco large pots, or did I hurt your feelings?and now it's a pissing contest about spelling???? r u 4 real?

Please let's get back on track discussing what matter's growing trees...

and IMHO if you cant grow 1.5-2.5 from a tree then you should NOT BE GROWING TREES..

but what amazes me is I want 3-6 lbs off a tree with ALOT OF LIGHTS CO2 AND PGR'S...
Seems this would be a more interesting coversation to the group..
Dont you agree?
Wether or not you can read ,or I can spell should be left out of conversation
IMHO

thanks
o

You amaze me. :evilgrin0040:

 

[mango420]

and another thread gone to shit

 

[20north]

haha like another coco admin maybe

 

[antimatter]

and another thread gone to shit

OP got banned, and the bed intruder song flashed before my eyes in the midst of the coco coir forums an awfully strange ending.