FOR THOSE WHO CLONE IN A TURBO OR EZ CLONER I Would like to share this with you

[mastergreen]

i could be the condition of the moms too maybe. the less nitrogen in the stem the faster the cut will root because there is more carbohydrates compared to the nitrogen. how were you moms treated this time around? same lights and nutes? all the cuts from the tops?

this is just something im throwing out there, not trying to say that product is not good or cant do what you say.

i have used straight water in my cloner or have added the gh 3 part. only thing i noticed was slower and less cuts root when temps are higher. some times i would be taking cuts out and trans planting in 6-8 days sometimes it would take 2 weeks.

Yeah thats what i was thinking, I like to load my moms up 2-3 days before cuts on phosophorus cuts 3-4 days always = ]

 

[tree king]

so its 40-60 ml of Power Cloner no matter how big your EZ clone is? doesnt make sense youd add the same amount of power cloner to the 120 as the small guy.

thats what im wondering. jack i just read this whole thread and you never gave exactly how many ml per gallon of power clone to use? im currently getting roots in 12-13 days using dyna grow kln so if you can let us know that would be a big help. thanks

 

[tree king]

ok i think i just figured out a few things. jack said he used a turboklone 144 and put 60 ml of power clone in. after doing some research i found this link that says the tank holds 12.5-13 gal. or optimal water whatever that means
http://www.bulkhydro.com/products/TurboKlone-T144-Klone-Machine.html
so for 13 gal that equals 4.61 ml a gal. so since my ez-clone 120 has a 22 gal res than il be adding 101 ml. sound about right guys?

 

[click80]

I can guarantee you guys one thing...you will never get roots in 3 or 4 days unless you have moms that are the penultimate of good health...that is the total secret to cloning...if you have healthy moms and take big cuts (thank you DS) you can get roots in 7 days easy with plain water, everything after that is cream on the top...using Power Clone, RE, Hormex (my fave now)...

Focus on your moms...I have been through the search for the perfect cloning technique and found it...healthy moms, big cuts-at least 4 inches long, but longer is better...I am taking cuts that average 5-6 inches...I get roots in rapid rooters in 5 days max.

 

[tree king]

I can guarantee you guys one thing...you will never get roots in 3 or 4 days unless you have moms that are the penultimate of good health...that is the total secret to cloning...if you have healthy moms and take big cuts (thank you DS) you can get roots in 7 days easy with plain water, everything after that is cream on the top...using Power Clone, RE, Hormex (my fave now)...

Focus on your moms...I have been through the search for the perfect cloning technique and found it...healthy moms, big cuts-at least 4 inches long, but longer is better...I am taking cuts that average 5-6 inches...I get roots in rapid rooters in 5 days max.

you use all 3 together (Power Clone, RE, Hormex). how much of each per gallon and what ppm does that come out to?

 

[click80]

sorry, I didn't mean to use all of them together...and anyway RE is for after you have roots...but I think Rapid Start with Hygrozyme works way better...i meant that it really doesn't matter, with healthy moms you can use Power Clone or RE or Hormex (in rapid rooters) or just plain old water...when I was using my ezcloner I used Clonex a few times and Power Clone a few times...I used the Power Clone to directions as I remember...my point was that Healthy Moms are the key, if you don't have healthy moms you are not going to see roots until at least 7 days but more towards 10 depending on strain. I don't care what you put in there none of it is magic, and you would need magic to make a cutting do what it cannot do when it is in bad health. When they are not in good health the internal gene expression to change cell growth is not going to click on as fast as it normally would. That is why, imo, none of that stuff is worth worrying about. I know guys that can get kick ass roots using an ezcloner with just phed water and hygrozyme in 5 days, but they put their efforts into keeping their moms healthy, and I mean very healthy. But even with moms that were not doing that good, I can get roots in 10 days with just cloning gel, ph'd water with Thrive Alive in Rapid Rooters and get 98 or 99% success. I really don't know why people have so much trouble with cloning success....unless they are not keeping shit sterile...I guess that is my other thing i do...I keep everything sterile from start to stop when I am cloning. I don't take a bunch of cuts and keep them in water. I take a cut, dip it in gel, back when I used gel, and stuck it in either the puck when I was using a ezcloner or into a rapid rooter, which i use now.

hope that cleared it up a little...I cannot stress this enough though, I went on that search for the perfect clone with blow out roots in 3 or 4 days...I never found it until I got HEALTHY MOMS...once I got healthy moms, and when I say healthy, I mean when they are full in VEG, you know growing at least an inch a day on the grow tips, after I had my moms doing that, then and only then did I have awesome success...I could have rooted them in fucking flat beer....because they want to root.

 

[tree king]

gotcha thanks for the info. you dont by any chance know if rapid start is compatible with h202 do you? i know re isnt. im taking no chances and im running heavy h202 on my new mothers right now and i have some rapid start and hydrozyme to use if possible

 

[500lbs Guerilla]

ok i think i just figured out a few things. jack said he used a turboklone 144 and put 60 ml of power clone in. after doing some research i found this link that says the tank holds 12.5-13 gal. or optimal water whatever that means
http://www.bulkhydro.com/products/TurboKlone-T144-Klone-Machine.html
so for 13 gal that equals 4.61 ml a gal. so since my ez-clone 120 has a 22 gal res than il be adding 101 ml. sound about right guys?

Nice post. I used 60ml in an ez-clone 120 and still got roots in about 10 days from healthy mothers with water temps at 70 and a cycle timer on 1 min and off 4, tested on a dozen different strains and had the same results with all but one. 100ml may cut that down a few days still. No foliar application was used either.

 

[tree king]

Nice post. I used 60ml in an ez-clone 120 and still got roots in about 10 days from healthy mothers with water temps at 70 and a cycle timer on 1 min and off 4, tested on a dozen different strains and had the same results with all but one. 100ml may cut that down a few days still. No foliar application was used either.

how much ppm was your res at after you added the 60ml?

another thing i just learned from an expert on another forum is that he recommends the water to be at least 80 degrees to speed up the process. he knows pathogens will be a problem at that temp so he says to add h202 every 3-4 days. i think he's right cause ive got my temp now at 69 and after 3 weeks i still have some clones that havent rooted yet. next time im gonna try power clone and h202 with 80 degree temps

 

[click80]

here is something you might want to try one time...it will only cost ya 14.50. I gave some Vita-Gro cloning solution a try...worked real well. I popped roots in 5 days, out the side of the rapid rooter... i might break my ezcloner out and give it spin around the block again. I found with the ezcloner 10 days was the norm and 4 days every once in awhile...

The Vita-Gro is a dip, not a gel, and it has a higher percentage of IBA than Hormex and a lower percentage of NAA which i read is not supposed to do a whole lot for rooting.

I have been using Hormex liquid with good success. I am to the point if I can get roots within ten days...I am overjoyed. Especially with 99% success rate. I do think though with the Vita-Gro that consistent 5 day clones ready to transplant out of an ezcloner is possible.

 

[tree king]

here is something you might want to try one time...it will only cost ya 14.50. I gave some Vita-Gro cloning solution a try...worked real well. I popped roots in 5 days, out the side of the rapid rooter... i might break my ezcloner out and give it spin around the block again. I found with the ezcloner 10 days was the norm and 4 days every once in awhile...

The Vita-Gro is a dip, not a gel, and it has a higher percentage of IBA than Hormex and a lower percentage of NAA which i read is not supposed to do a whole lot for rooting.

I have been using Hormex liquid with good success. I am to the point if I can get roots within ten days...I am overjoyed. Especially with 99% success rate. I do think though with the Vita-Gro that consistent 5 day clones ready to transplant out of an ezcloner is possible.

are you talkin about dumping the vita-grow in the reservoir or just dipping the clones in it and then putting hormex in the res?

 

[click80]

are you talkin about dumping the vita-grow in the reservoir or just dipping the clones in it and then putting hormex in the res?

I would have to experiment but i would dip in the Vita Grow per instructions and then add the hormex. The Vita Grow is alcohol based I am pretty sure, but the hormex is water soluble. So yeah dip in Vita Grow and then use the hormex in the res. I would probably work the math out and do some research on the Hormex mix. Desert Squirrel would probably have some good input.

In rapid rooters I just cloned some PExpress 3 days ago and have white bumps just starting so I should have roots out the side in seven unless they take a shit on me for some reason. That is the reason I put the EZ Cloner away in the first place, I did not need my clones to be in a puck and was tired of screwing with the chiller as it was middle of summer and had a lot of other stuff going. I am happy with roots in 7 days. Plus as long as my moms are healthy I get barely any yellowing and the clones go into veg within a week. I consider them veging from when after they pop roots out the side of the rooter and the clone grows two new sets of leaves.

 

[tree king]

I would not start over until day 14 and your not seeing anything.Do you see little bumps forming ? As far as ppm's I start at 250 ppm and then add 60 ml of power cloner what ever it comes to after that it should be between 400 to 500.And when you start to see nubs forming thats when I add Roots Excel at 1 ml per gallon..JACK

ok so i got some power clone and am testing it out as we speak. jack help me understand this cause it doesnt make sense to me. i wanted to find out how power clone moved the tds so i mixed some in 1 gallon and found out that 18 ml a gallon creates 100 tds. you said you put 4.61 ml a gal in a 13 gal res correct? by my math that would only equal approx 25 tds. could you please explain how you come to 150-250? i also know theres a difference between tds and ppm but even in ppm it doesnt equal nearly that high. just to add i dumped 200 ml of power clone in my ez clone 120 and it only raised it 50-60 tds. i had to dump in some b-52 to raise the overall tds level to 200 where i wanted it

thanks for the response click80. thats what i thought. im definitely gonna give vita-grow a try next time with power clone in the res.

 

[click80]

ok so i got some power clone and am testing it out as we speak. jack help me understand this cause it doesnt make sense to me. i wanted to find out how power clone moved the tds so i mixed some in 1 gallon and found out that 18 ml a gallon creates 100 tds. you said you put 4.61 ml a gal in a 13 gal res correct? by my math that would only equal approx 25 tds. could you please explain how you come to 150-250? i also know theres a difference between tds and ppm but even in ppm it doesnt equal nearly that high. just to add i dumped 200 ml of power clone in my ez clone 120 and it only raised it 50-60 tds. i had to dump in some b-52 to raise the overall tds level to 200 where i wanted it

thanks for the response click80. thats what i thought. im definitely gonna give vita-grow a try next time with power clone in the res.

just to be sure, I would only use the Vita gro to dip the clones in...I can't really tell what i smell in it but it is something alcohol related so i would not use it in the res, you know to be on safe side. I would use the Hormex ( by the way it is Water based)in the res, but first I would research it a little to get a general idea on how much IBA would be needed. I know I read something about this somewhere and I would think Desert Squirrel would have some good input, he has a clone thread on here somewhere.

Yeah I put a batch of Pineapple Express in on 10/13 and today I had, out of fifty clones, about 15 were rooted out the side of the rapid rooter. I know you cannnot really compare rapid rooters to a cloner, but it does show that the Vita Gro is some good shit..and the cuts are definitely better looking than when I use gel..the stem is really clean.

okay, good luck man.

 

[tree king]

just to be sure, I would only use the Vita gro to dip the clones in...I can't really tell what i smell in it but it is something alcohol related so i would not use it in the res, you know to be on safe side. I would use the Hormex ( by the way it is Water based)in the res, but first I would research it a little to get a general idea on how much IBA would be needed. I know I read something about this somewhere and I would think Desert Squirrel would have some good input, he has a clone thread on here somewhere.

Yeah I put a batch of Pineapple Express in on 10/13 and today I had, out of fifty clones, about 15 were rooted out the side of the rapid rooter. I know you cannnot really compare rapid rooters to a cloner, but it does show that the Vita Gro is some good shit..and the cuts are definitely better looking than when I use gel..the stem is really clean.

okay, good luck man.

tell you the truth Vita Gro has been on my mind for a while but you finally sold me on it thanks for the info

 

[tree king]

it really works! i just tested it out and now i just got my first roots in 4 1/2 days. before i couldnt get roots for 11 days so i just shaved a whole week of time off. i wasnt able to get in contact with the thread starter to find out exactly how many gal of water he had in his res so i put 200 ml of power clone in my ez-clone 120. the 200 ml made my res 50 tds so on top of that i put in b-52 until it reached 200 tds total. great product!

 

[pork]

hmm there seems to be some controversy over how much Power Clone to use...Jack keeps chiming in 45-60ml TOTAL power clone for ~13 gal of water. 4 ml/gal is also a common figure across this thread.

i went out and bought some Power Clone today and the bottle clearly states 45-60 ml/gal... Hmmm

tree king just above used 200 mL, which is still far lower than the 45-60 ml/gal and had great success...i wonder what actually using 45-60 ml in each gallon would do...

anybody with deep enough pockets to afford such a run?

 

[click80]

hmm there seems to be some controversy over how much Power Clone to use...Jack keeps chiming in 45-60ml TOTAL power clone for ~13 gal of water. 4 ml/gal is also a common figure across this thread.

i went out and bought some Power Clone today and the bottle clearly states 45-60 ml/gal... Hmmm

tree king just above used 200 mL, which is still far lower than the 45-60 ml/gal and had great success...i wonder what actually using 45-60 ml in each gallon would do...

anybody with deep enough pockets to afford such a run?

go with what Jack says...the bottle used to read 45-60ml total for the first 3-5 days...jack says that also in this thread somewhere...i remember I had to like reread the label a couple times...these nute companies piss me off when they are vague on instructions...I don't know what the label reads now but that sounds like way too much.

You know I still insist that the Power Clone is good stuff as are other products but you are not going to get roots in 3-5 days unless your mom's are in prime condition...I think a lot of people don't realize that....

my partner is using my Ez cloner at the moment and he has one mom he has a hell of a time keeping healthy...when he clones that mom it takes about 12 days in the EZ cloner...the cuts he takes of my moms root in 5 days using just Vita Gro cloning solution and tap water (150ppm) and he is using my ez 120, and water is around 75 degrees.

 

[Ganjafarmer562]

Nice to hear. Im currently trying the KLN and pro tek method that my buddy raves about. Ill try it out

 

[Aligee]

just read through this thread lots of good cloning info !!!