30 years and not had this before….

I also think you need a good flush!

Have seen these spots before and solved with adding some calcium to the program, not having this issue anymore

Add a handful of gypsum and those should stop seeing those spots.

Thanks to everyone that answered, but as you can see, it’s all over the board…
First, these spots are not pests of any sort. That’s been eliminated.
A flush won’t cure this…as if the soil is new and hot, at this stage a flush may even stress the plant more. So that tip is not useful.
Adding gypsum is just calcium, and adding the whole “calmag” fix all is not the issue as the soil tests fine for all needed albeit it is high in N.
The reason for the post was to gather info on these spots.

Homesteader said:

Add a handful of gypsum and those should stop seeing those spots.

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are you leaning towards early cal def? cause that's all I can think of at this point

It is calcium though. You are high in Nitrogen and growing fast and there isn't enough available calcium to keep up. Most growers don't understand how much calcium a fast growing cannabis consumes.

Homesteader said:

It is calcium though. You are high in Nitrogen and growing fast and there isn't enough available calcium to keep up. Most growers don't understand how much calcium a fast growing cannabis consumes.

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If this is the case, then why doesn’t the other plant that has 2 actually growing plants have any signs of this? The plants are 3 weeks old. You’re telling me, on a 6 inch plant, in a 2 gallon airpot, there isn’t enough calcium in lush soil to hold it over for a minimum of 3 weeks? I just don’t buy into that. Maybe at 6+ weeks, and even into flower, but not on a early veg state plant. Calcium def also shows on new growth first. With stunted and other issues. This problem started bottom up and is only affecting the main fan leafs and not the new growth.

Bugs(thrips, mites), mold/fungus, or Calcium.

But I really do not see this being a calcium thing...but the yellow interveinal and lack of insects that may be it. And you may not be deficient, you might have a lockout of sorts happening.

Nice link.
Saved~!

Both plants look to have a pH issue. I’d start with checking the soil pH, runoff pH. Then if those are in check, work down rabbit hole.
Good luck

BurnzYzBudZz said:

Both plants look to have a pH issue. I’d start with checking the soil pH, runoff pH. Then if those are in check, work down rabbit hole.
Good luck

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I repotted them both. Soil is fresh. Water is 6.4 on the nose. We’ll see what happens.
I don’t see this as any soil issue as I’ve used this exact soil, same batch for 5 other grows, all came out great. This is my Dusk Musk strain I made out of the same batch of soil, no issues.

looks like watering too frequently, “hot soil” and calcium deficiency..

I’m not trying to be a jerk but it seems you don’t want to hear anything people here have to say. You said the other plant has no issues.
Mottled coloring, twisted clawed leaves, very short node spacing and rough leaf texture are issues to me.
For the one with spots. Very dark leaves, clawing, rough leaf texture, burnt tips, not to mention the spots- issues
The bud pick, while pretty is pretty small
All the things I see with the first two plants happen when the soil is too hot. If it’s not a soil issue what could it be? Environment? Genetics? Contaminated water? Doubt it. Running some extra water through the soil to bring it down a couple hundred ppm at watering time doesn’t stress your plants. Sitting in nearly toxic hot soil does stress them though. Good luck with it my friend.

growing for 30 years? highly doubt it.. if so still hasn’t learned to keep a plant healthy until harvest..
those issues are such newbie issues..

Oldguy71 said:

I’m not trying to be a jerk but it seems you don’t want to hear anything people here have to say. You said the other plant has no issues.
Mottled coloring, twisted clawed leaves, very short node spacing and rough leaf texture are issues to me.
For the one with spots. Very dark leaves, clawing, rough leaf texture, burnt tips, not to mention the spots- issues
The bud pick, while pretty is pretty small
All the things I see with the first two plants happen when the soil is too hot. If it’s not a soil issue what could it be? Environment? Genetics? Contaminated water? Doubt it. Running some extra water through the soil to bring it down a couple hundred ppm at watering time doesn’t stress your plants. Sitting in nearly toxic hot soil does stress them though. Good luck with it my friend.

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I’ve read all the comment and I’m not opposed to other thing. I’m 65, and this is a hobby. Creating my own genetics and such. I understand everything that is said, and have for a long time. The one thing everyone is missing is I’ve tested the soil, I’ve tested the water, I’ve looked for pests, and I’ve checked the environment. There is no issues with any of it.
Another thing everyone else is forgetting is these plants are both new strain never grown before so there is no telling what traits they may show and or flaws they may have. In my lifetime I’ve had many failed experiments.

Some of us don’t need to grow “big” buds as that might not be the intent of the grow, and in my setup, I go for quality over quantity. As for the picture, that was the first flower of a new strain I created, which is from Paki Chem / OG Kush cross male, and I had that pollinate my Cherry Pie x GSCF2. This plant in photo is the results of that and it came out beautiful.

And if I didn’t want to listen then why did I take the advice and repot them both? New soil, Cleaned tents, and eliminated the variables as much as possible. So I don’t quite understand the comment of “not wanting to listen”

GNick55 said:

growing for 30 years? highly doubt it.. if so still hasn’t learned to keep a plant healthy until harvest..
those issues are such newbie issues..

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You’re right….I don’t know what the heck I’m doing…….hence the name, but my results speak for themselves I believe. Surprised someone on the staff here can be such a mountain of negativity and waste of breath.

And to answer your overwatering comment. These plants are 2 weeks old, and have been given exactly 2 waterings in 14 days. They didn’t need more, or less. The issue popped up within 2 days, plant was absolutely happy as could be and hit this issue within 48 hours and was not after a watering.

So forgive me for being “rude” and judging by the pictures you have posted prior on your profile, it looks like you’re and old fart as well….but if you’re staff here and treat everyone like this, then I hope karma catches up to you, even after all your revolutions around the sun. You know what else is something an experienced god tier grower like yourself should know by now too? Is everyone has issues on grows, even the best, and you spouting off like you have just shows the type of person and ego you have, and I sure would have hoped this far along in life you would have earned some humility.
Maybe you have little man syndrome, or something along those lines, but I’m humble enough to come here asking for opinions and advice after 30 years as there is always something to learn, and maybe if you weren't such a prick and read thru the comments you would understand that what you suggested has already been checked.


You have just made me decide to delete my account and go to another less egotistical forum. Thank you all who were helpful and chimed in, I really do appreciate it.

I’m outta here before I get in trouble…again.
Good luck and

BurnzYzBudZz said:

I’m outta here before I get in trouble…again.
Good luck and

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This sounds like a good story…….

You did say n was a bit high in your soil. Maybe your new strains aren’t very n tolerant or they disagree with the ratios in the soil. I wasn’t forgetting that you had the soil tested. I believe the plants know what they want better than a lab. When I said you don’t want to listen, it seemed like you were rebutting every post even from well known growers on here. To be honest I missed the post about changing the dirt. My bad. I hope that does the trick.
Those colors are awesome btw. Nutrient dep, cold?

Here’s one I made jungle breath x platinum kush breath fem seeds.

Oldguy71 said:

You did say n was a bit high in your soil. Maybe your new strains aren’t very n tolerant or they disagree with the ratios in the soil. I wasn’t forgetting that you had the soil tested. I believe the plants know what they want better than a lab. When I said you don’t want to listen, it seemed like you were rebutting every post even from well known growers on here. To be honest I missed the post about changing the dirt. My bad. I hope that does the trick.
Those colors are awesome btw. Nutrient dep, cold?

Here’s one I made jungle breath x platinum kush breath fem seeds.

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That’s a beautiful plant!
No it’s the internet it’s hard to decipher tone and such with typed words so I’m sorry if anything I said came off wrong. Apologies.
That’s what I believe as well, which is the entire reason for this post. For a plant to go from healthy to this in 48 hours without anything new at all being introduced and or watered, it’s puzzle to me.

What I did for the color was on last hunt I found the ones that developed the most anthocyanins naturally. Then when it came time for flower I dropped the temps by 1 degree per day until it started to express. One there I held steady day and night temps at that level. On the last week, I dropped temps to 55 at night and then harvest. Really brought out the color. This particular strain came back from the lab at 28.62 which I was quite happy.