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[SpiderK]

2011

I believe I sampled the #14 Zam if I am correct? Whatever the case the sample was told to me to be early and it was amazing, I loved it! Thanks again for the love.

Snow

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Sno you are correct that was a number 14 sample you went home with.

Numb

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A bit late for me to reply now but yes it was #14. Really glad you enjoyed it. I tried comparing that plant to one of these urkles we grew for kicks. Even in the hit for hot category the urkle felt about 1/3 as potent with the urkle almost devoid of psychoactivity I only felt the urkle in the form of weakness in my legs and dizziness when I'd stand too fast as if I'd taken a large dose of benadryl. I was kind of surprised that early picked #14 was stronger in the hit for hit category, although ceiling and intensity were obvious. The crazy thing is that the #14 is the first plant to approach harvest in a group of 70 or so females. I picked my first samples of longer flowering types today. There's some amazing smells coming out of here ranging from thick oily coconut to cheap dimestore bubblegum and honeysuckle scents, sweet and sour and kerosene types as well it's a staggering array substantially departed and vastly superior to what I've seen in pablos cheese but on what is generally a more tropical phenotype. I have someones laptop and will try to post some pics here soon.

Zamalito

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Well I think I need another sample to truly appreciate the qualities.

The high came on strong but with clarity, psycho-activity was progressive as time went on your mind turned up a notch. Most of the sample was smoked at once and most would probably be fine consuming a 3rd of what I did and still be soaring high. In regards to the Pablos Cheese which I really loved the Pablos Gold is on another level, exceptional quality of the highest degree. I can only dream of what the other phenotypes will be like. Outstanding breeding and growing my hats off to the BCO crew. Thanks so much for the sample Zam, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Snow

 

[SpiderK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevil

Looks like Haze to me Snowhigh. Good work! So the Nevils Haze F3 was the strongest, which one was the most delicious?
N.

Actually Nevil the Nevilles Haze wasn't the strongest but it was some of the best all around bud I've tried. It had a most intense cardamon, sweet spice, with a delicious smell when smelled from the curing jar and on intake from smoking her. So for a mostly sativa strain with great flavor, quality of high, resin and bud density I would place this strain quite high and one of the best all around strains.

That saying from the plants I just posted the Pure Haze, green phenotype could and should have gone longer. The Purple Haze x Panama was very strong and trippy but the Panama in the cross, gave it that euphoric Colombian effect which added a vibrancy to the trippy qualities of the Purple Haze. I would say between these strains this was the most flavorful, adding that rich port wine/burgundy taste to the herb.

The Senegel Haze was very exotic in flower, almost intoxicating in flower. I can't really put a finger on it but exotic sweet perfume with a spicy edge. The high from the Senegel Haze is electric and can cause heart palpitations and sweating, very visual and intense high with no ceiling and extremely high in THC.

Give me a minute and I'll dig up a pic of the finished Purple Haze x Panama flower.

Snow

Nevil Haze F3 ( Snow )

 

[SpiderK]

lets hope the pollens still good ..... but another ten seeds. the one female had small buds area flooded so really never tried it full season. see what happens.

blue orca ( 1971 B.O.E.L. Afghani x 1976 B.O.E.L. Thai Stick bred in 1984 ) x 1991 F2 n.l.#5 / haze

blue orca haze F1

 

[SpiderK]

Blue Orca

 

[SpiderK]

18 Nov 1998
From oldtimer1

67ed Wernard got most of his strains from a guy called old Ed and posies spec for haze used to be:- Mostly Mexican and Colombian some southern Indian and Thai A pure breeding stabilised hybrid pure sativa appearance many slim flowers can be lime green, dark green, silver blue or purple smell/taste Incredible sticky sweet. almost sweet and sour smell high very potent, clear up, energetic high

height 2 -3 metres yield med - high
harvest date Netherlands natural photo period - end December
12 hr exposure to harvest 12 to 16 weeks

For Holland they recommend glass or poly tunnel with darkening from June with 13 hrs dark to finish September for the best yields and potency. other info inbred 20 years, approx 5 to 10 % are special the rest just so so, 75% are female. This is very close to my strain except the very best go to between 16 and 18 weeks, homegrown must have done what they call improving the strain to reduce the hrs to 10 to 13 because thats not what posi started with. In fact it is very close to what you get with an F1 cross between original haze and original skunk No 1 which is probably closer to the truth.The other thing is to grow original haze well indoors light levels in excess of 100 w per sq ft are needed its not an economical crop. Eric it is a 15 year old one off sorry!

All the best Ot1.

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18:51, 17 Nov 1998

I might add, I heard that their haze only took 10-13 weeks to flower compared to 12-16 weeks by others, and I wanted to find out why, so I e-mailed them to ask. Ot1, I recall you said the best haze took up to 18 weeks to flower, any comments? Peace<br>

18:42, 17 Nov 1998

Yep, Posi haze is mostly Columbian x Mexican with small amounts of thai and south Indian. It was created by "the Haze brothers" in California 20 years ago. Here's an email I got from Homegrown fantasy two days ago:<img src="/resources/spacer.gif" alt="" width=8>High there 76 ED ! Our Haze is indeed from Posi's genetics, the flowering times do differ. Hydro tends to be quicker. Bio ( on soil) we find cantake 1 - 2 weeks longer. 10 - 13 weeks would be most likely on a hydro base. Of course there is some variation from growroom to growroom, even though it's the same strain. Haze is one of our most popular strains and is well worth the wait. A real uphigh of cosmic proportions.

Wishing you stickey fingers,Isolde & John>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Eric, I agree, that's why I fought to grow the thai outdoors, only bringing it in to the HPS when temps went below 50 degrees. I just can't get potent plants growing indoors! I had a haze hybrid from Neville 9 years ago, and made thousands of seeds, but my house was broken in to, and all seeds stolen! Since then, getting more haze has been a real obsession with me.

Peace

Haze is a sativa hybrid. If I remember right, they mentioned mexican,columbian and thai in varying degrees. This would explain some of the variation I saw in the hybrids Nevil sent me. Some of the extreme sativa characteristics included one plant with a 6" sport in 24hrs. That happened right after the induction of flowering. Outdoors they would have been giants.

Peace

hey toker2 if im right i believe that haze is a satavia that has south american genetics. my experience with the satavias is that outside they will knock you on the floor with a smile. but the same clone inside will just give you a smile.. so your assesment is correct..hell to tell you the truth EVERY STRAIN i have tried outdoors my friends grew inside and mine is always more potent....

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Time 09:08, 1 Oct 1998
From stix

Hi folks, just finished/gave-up-on some NL5xHaze from Sensi and Im very
disappointed. The original cross by Neville was/still-is one of the best Ive grown.
This new cross from Sensi however is very disappointing. The orig. leaned to
indica, tight large buds and more potent than anything. The cross Im workin with
is the opposite in almost every way. Sativa, really loose buds, unwilling to finish
up(they've had one of my budding rooms tied up for so long Ive lost track), and
the potentcy Ive sampled is very average. Anyone have any better luck with
todays cross? Im using about 40 watts sq/ft, maybe I need more light or
something, dont know but I was surprised how poorly this cross performed. The
strains I got from SSSC and The Seed Bank circa 85-90 seemed to have more
vigor and potency than most of what I see from a-dam today, does anyone else
who has experience with strains from both then and now have a comment on
this?

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Time 15:16, 16 Nov 1998
From Lady J

stix>>I believe the sensi nl5xhaze is a "stabilized hybrid" and not the f1
corss that nevil produced. I gew his, and it was incredible.

Peace

 

[BombBP]

I have a couple packs of these. I'm anxious to see what you get from them so I can know what to expect.

 

[SpiderK]

Dr. Xeus

Dr. Xeus is high performance strain using SnowHighs California Purple Haze (Nevilles Haze F3 x Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3) as the mother and a male BCO Pablos Gold (Colombian Gold/Colombian Gold x UK Cheese x Panama Red) which is a supremely branchy colorful stud with Panama Red stems and expressions and leaves which turn golden white to many fall colors reminiscent of the very best Colombians and Panama Red expressions from the past. Red expressions have been coming through in the progeny of this Pablos Gold male and finished flowers may lean toward the Panama Red side, Colombian Gold, Thai and Haze and many phenos may express in varying degrees from either side of the spectrum. This is old school cannabis at its finest but with a modern twist to allow for shorter flowering/finishing times without sacrificing the best attributes expressed in the genetics. If you want original Colombian Gold, Panama Red, Thai, Afghan and Haze genetics or you remember smoking the best imports from the 60’s and 70’s and you wouldn’t mind those genetics combined with faster flowering and highly resinous potent expressions then Dr. Xeus is exactly what you’re looking for.

Dr. Xeus phenotypes will range from highly resinous green phenos with compact flowers on a Christmas tree structure to more lanky bushes that form beautiful red, maroon, orange, yellow, purple flowers that grow along the branches in an ascending growth pattern with many small colorful colitas growing the length of each branch. This is a true work of art and patience is needed to grow some of the Dr. Xeus phenotypes to potential.

Potency: 9

Duration of high: 3 to 5 hours depending on level of consumption

High Type: Also pheno dependent but many layers of highs come on, some slight changes in perception come on immediately and build for up to an hour or more. The highs are trippy, soaring, colorful, and intense but not paranoid inducing unless not accustomed to potent cannabis. Sativas of this caliber are best enjoyed without consuming other cannabis strains which contain CBD which modulate the high or basically bind to the THC and other psychoactive cannabinoids and synergistic terpenoids. In some cases of cannabis use its best not to consume other CBD rich strains or narcotic pain medications because of the binding to the CB1 receptors which can decrease the perceived potency of the strain. Also consuming edibles will detract from the best expressions of sativa strains like Dr. Xeus.

Flower time range 8-10 weeks with the occasional pheno growing for extended weeks possibly 12 weeks or greater Modern Equatorial Heirloom Landrace hybrid.

Stretch: 1 to 3

Resin production: High

Odor: 7

Aroma: Fruit Candy, Honey Suckle, Grape Candy, Grape Liqueur, Port wine, Cardamom, Indian Spice, Exotic

Flavor: 9

The flavors are similar to the aroma and translate well to the palate with flavors ranging from sweet candy to exotic grape liqueurs, mango and other sweet fruits from the tropics…delicious flowers.

Genetics: California Purple Haze x Pablos Gold (Red Stem Gold Leaf pheno)

 

[SpiderK]

Name: Panama RedHair
Type: Sativa Pure
Genotype Panama Red
Breeder: Breeders Choice - Exclusive to CannaSeur Seeds

This line was sourced by collectors in Colombia for BCO ( from farmed connoisseur Local by Breeders Choice member 'Aldous' ) from a line originating in Panama, and is, believed to be true to type for many of the traits that helped to form the legends of the Panama Red imports to the North Americas. It is not related to any of the common Colombian Genepools we have encountered over many years of collecting and growing Pure Sativas from the region, and hence, our feeling is this is a authentic, Panama Red line.

Breeding History and Notes.

BCO has worked on this line for some years now, it is a labour of love when working with pure Sativas in general, but this line has been also a battle to reproduce. Through fires, busts, thefts and moves we have just about managed to pull off reproduction of the line.

It is rare to acquire such a pure, non hybridised or molested true Sativa that comes to us as a fully finished line. Panama RedHair is so far, the only line I have come accross from such sources as requiring, or needing very little work from BCO in order to deliver viable plants for the cultivators of today. This line requires nothing other than improvements, if possible in mite and pest resistances to be fully finished work. She is totally intersex free, resistance to any stress imposed. Her production, her quality and traits need no improvement from me. This is a beautiful, artisan breeders work from a previous time, and a real credit to their skill. Full preservation of the gene-pool of this line has not been possible due to the above problems encountered along the way. Ultimately, we came down to the last 10 seeds of this Cultivar available to us from the original collection. Of these, three plants where selected, two females and a single male used to reproduce this line. This means the total width of the original line is not preserved.

However, the three plants selected have given rise to a improved seed lot in this generation, a seed lot which displays more red colouration, improved quality of high from previously sampled test plants and when used in out-crosses, pronounced, unique traits pass which makes us confident that the core, key traits of the Panama Red line we collected have been retained, even if the total breadth of traits may not have, the most important have. BCO will continue to work on the line now we have large numbers of seeds. A further in-cross is planned, and from this IX2 generation we believe we will find plants that will allow long term improvement of the line.

P1 Females
From the small number of seed we had available for this final attempt of reproduction, the three plants selected show some very strong traits. The two females selected, showed very high resin production from onset of flowering, with large amounts of glandular trichromes being formed very quickly and immediately when plants go into flower. This is a important trait for us when selecting within Tropical Sativa genepools, that are destined for indoor growing conditions of today. It really is not how quickly a Tropical Sativa flowers indoors, but how long resins have to mature fully that has a large bearing on the qualities of high the user will experience. In this regard, the Panama mothers are very quick to develop and produced the highest number of glandular trichromes from the plants available to us.

In the above photo, one of the unusual traits of this line is clearly shown. Very early in flower, the females will show this very red pistil formations. Pistils that are red from the onset, not dying. The plants will continue developing red pistils throughout flowering lifetime. Once finished in flower, these pistils retain some of their red colouration, leaving finished flowers that have a distinct redness about them. You can clearly see the early resin development in the above and following picture, not usual for such a long flowering pure Sativa indoors. In the following picture, you can see the lovely long cola formation the line has. It has high yield potential for Indoor, pure Sativa. Nice, dense, tight flowers for a unmolested pure Sativa Cultivar grown indoors. These plants, grown indoors where for seed production, they where not fed at any time, or required any fertilisation, there is high production possibilities in this Panama line.
P1 Males
In the male selection. We found a plant that delivered good qualities of high in the test smoking, displayed full resistances to moulds, and had a very high resin formation for a pure Tropical Sativa. Tested in both in-cross and out-cross this Male has great combining abilities and is a Keeper for BCO. Showing high resin production for a pure Sativa indoors. Although the above and next photo give a idea of the resin production of the P1 Male, it was very hard to capture and only a few photos remain from this grow due to total loss of the PC they where kept on in a lighting strike. Nice resin production very early in flower of the Male.

 

[SpiderK]

P.T.K

Dr. Xeus #8 showing some kind of purple / redish neon ring developing around the first leaf' set it glows more in the sun, really sticks out, the only one with that so far ... .... ..... :cool:

 

[SpiderK]

http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/chat/bcg_chat.htm

( BC Growers Association Forum ) OT1, Bog, Mota, Curious George, Vic High, Mr. Soul ect ...

Time 03:49, 26 Dec 1998
From oldtimer1

I don't have any pure haze mums any more I lost them 8 or 9 years ago to a Borg
attack. This is a point worth making all the sat vars that I have tried are very
susceptible to the two spot mite. So as far as growing sats are concerned a clean
house is needed. I did have loads of h seeds but over the years have given
them away and Iím sorry to say no one made a go of it with them. In our climate it
needs dedication and to be a good gardener to boot. To grow with tropicals
indoors and under lighting, well totally different techniques are needed but to my
mind they are worth it. This year I have passed on most of what I had left of my h
seed stock to a friend and if he is successful the strain may carry on we will see. I
do have some mums from a series of crosses made between h and ss of which hd
is one, its my fav smoke and takes 9 to 10 w on 12 h. I have great respect for
Nevil and if the fastest is 14 weeks there isn't much nl in there. Small mottled
seeds sound like the right thing too, they sound like a good bet to me and well
worth trying. The main prob with haze is with so much inbreeding you only get 5 to
10% of really exceptional ones so loads need growing to get a really good one. I
suspect Nevil crossed h to a non dom nl then back crossed to h again the idea
being to remove the inbreeding depression without affecting the haze character.
This is only supposition but its the route I would take if I had the space and the
time.

Ot1

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Time -1:25, 26 Dec 1998
From 67ed

Dr. Evil: Someone I just talked to started some of Jock's Posi haze, and said he
was very disappointed; some of his seedlings showed indica traits! But some
good news-two months ago, I heard from a grower in northern Florida. He had just
harvested some of Homegrown Fantasy's haze, and said it was the earliest haze
he had ever worked with. If I remember, it was around the end of Oct. HF's version
is at least a bigpart Posi haze, I'm sure. I'm afraid Nevil's haze wouldn't work
in your area as, I suspect, it won't finish until mid- December unless the NL
influence affects the flower time. Maybe Ot can clue us in further. I've thought of
growing on islands in swamps, but never on rafts. What happens if it storms or
floods? About the Early Pearl: since you're at the 30th, it would finish even earlier.
I'm not sure what intense, humid heat does to a finishing plant(I know what it does
indoors-and it ain't good)
Peace & Happy
Holidays

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Time 20:08, 25 Dec 1998
From 67ed ([email protected])

Dr. Evil: Here's a description of Nevil's Haze from Greenhouse(available at HS)
Ot1: I'm going to try and contact Neville and find out just how much NL is in this.
All I know so far is Nevil's haze seeds are very small. 9 are mottled, but the 10th
has an almost clear shell. Despite being a small part NL, this may be the closest
to what we're looking for. Once again, I ask for your comments?
Pedigree: Almost pure Haze with just a hint of Indica (Northern Lights).
Awards: Never entered in any competition.
Strength: The most potent variety of its kind on or off the market. Not
recommended for inexperienced smokers - too trippy - too profound.
Flowering Times: Indoors: should be started under 12 hours of lights. The
earliest will finish in 14 weeks (25%). Those that take much longer than this are
usually discarded as not practical.

Outdoors: should be grown in the Tropics + started just before the
on set of autumn. Yields are surprisingly good - the longer flowering time is
usually compensated with extra large yields, both in and outdoors. Not for the
novice smoker or grower.

Specifications: ~ Flower: 14 + weeks ~ Price: $175.00 (10 seeds) ~ Code: nh

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Time 15:15, 25 Dec 1998
From oldtimer1

Hi Dr Evil I didn't get a reply mail, I use 4 litre pots as a finished pot size Num 7
was mostly 4ís but the square ones hold 5 litres. Num 7ís grow was cut on week
11 on 12/12 My grow was cut from wk 11 and the last out were the es at week 13
but they could have gone 2 or 3 weeks longer but were cut for Christmas, bad
timing on my part. The varieties are mostly my own. There may be descriptions at
BCGA archive of this site Vic posts the addy from time to time. My haze was
brought here [uk] from the states during its development it was still being
developed field scale and may not represent the finished product. From what I
have gleaned the nearest to the real thing on sale in Europe was sold by
Wernard of Positronics. After he went bankrupt his stock and seed Co was taken
over by Dutch passion / Home grown fantaseeds. Both these seed banks are run
by relatives. The thing is that the spec for their haze has been changed from
posies one in a big reduction on the finish time on 12/12. I suspect they have
made a cross to a non dom indica. The thing is if you want to grow real haze it
takes 12 to 16 weeks on 12/12 the very best being the late ones. The only other
Haze that may have some of the original one in could be Nevils haze but
greenhouse haven't published its spec yet but once again I suspect it will have
indica added we will see. Most the other so called haze are lambs breath and Thai
crosses. In fact in Holland haze has become a generic term for a sat with a strong
up high. Thanks for the mention on anti-social.com I now have an addy which is
oldtimer1@ . When you were talking about H2O2 what strength were you talking
about? Budm glad you had that bit of Christmas magic, kind of makes life worthwhile.
All the best Ot1.

 

[SpiderK]

Nevil

Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.
Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.
Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.

In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting. The early Diesel line of seeds would also have used this plant as a mother.
All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago. One would assume that successive generations would all go in their own unique directions, presumably giving rise to any distinct differences today. The names have remained the same and all 3 lines gained their credibility from the exceptional qualities of the original cutting NL5HzC x SK1HzC.
N.

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"diesel aka Chemdog" It's your assumption that Chemdog is Diesel, not mine.

People lie about ancestries re-name plants and steal names and you want me to account for this?
I don't think that I could have been clearer about what I believe. If it doesn't coincide with what others are saying, maybe we are talking about different plants/lines, but I know what I know and you can choose to believe what you want.

My guess is that some one with a vested interest (not me) is upset that their version of events (usually a lie to support their inflated ego's) is contradicted by my statements. I have no idea who and I don't care.

I have worked with this cutting extensively. I have passed on to SB the genetics and information I had on how to get the most out of this line. My bet is that what he has given you will shit all over anyone elses work. Be your own judge.
N.

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If the original cup winner was NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC and MNS sells NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC seeds then who is selling the real deal?

The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.

As I have said before, inbreeding Haze especially to the same Haze ancestor leads to a greater incidence of the cat piss pheno. The Diesel or fuel like smells are an intermediate stage. NH also has more fuel type offspring than the 5Hz, but not as many as a plant inbred to HzC. NL5HzA had darker flavours than NL5HzC, but I wouldn't call it diesel.
N.

 

[SpiderK]

Snowhigh's Neviles Haze ( grown by snow )

" The Nevilles Haze are F3s from Mr Nice old stock. The stock even at F3 were old and many didn't sprout. The mother that I got some seed from was hit with a Purple Thai male from British Hempire. Last season I used the Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3 on another huge Nevilles Haze F3 which is called California Purple Haze. I also did an incross of Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3 x Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3.

The original Nevilles Haze F3 mother was awesome. Large yielding, fast and the best indian cardamon spice aroma and flavor. Addicting!! Nearly perfect, lots of resin. Great great smoke!

So keeper, uh yes it was! "

N.H. F3

 

[jipp]

Snowhigh's Neviles Haze ( grown by snow )

" The Nevilles Haze are F3s from Mr Nice old stock. The stock even at F3 were old and many didn't sprout. The mother that I got some seed from was hit with a Purple Thai male from British Hempire. Last season I used the Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3 on another huge Nevilles Haze F3 which is called California Purple Haze. I also did an incross of Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3 x Purple Thai x Nevilles Haze F3.

The original Nevilles Haze F3 mother was awesome. Large yielding, fast and the best indian cardamon spice aroma and flavor. Addicting!! Nearly perfect, lots of resin. Great great smoke!

So keeper, uh yes it was! "

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that is pretty impressive for a outside plant correct? looks good thats for damn sure..

 

[SpiderK]

i think he has a few spots in northern and southern cali. his buddies help him he does a lot of medical stuff for people also. so he can finish 10-13, 15 week stuff.

i might train one low one and keep it under an oak slung low then put plastic across 8 x 8 in branches so it hidden but protects it and plastic is good over them ,,,,, like a greenhouse glass in some ways.

i'm just looking for males in the dr. xeus at this point and check out the faster ones if they pop up. one is much shorter than the others already and very dark green. but my buddy will get cuts he can run.

 

[SpiderK]

Originally Posted by Charles Xavier
11-28-2007

Greetings

California 'Dogshit': Big Sur Holyweed X 'Hippy-trail' Afghan.

Oregon 'Dogshit': 'The real' Big Bud Sativa phenotype X Northern Lights/Williams' Wonder.

Both lineages were selected for outdoor cultivation and as such, both perform tremendously better in said conditions.

(There are most certainly other hybrids referred to as 'Dogshit'; the lineages stated above are, as far as I'm aware, the only two verifiable ones…with the exception of a rare T.H.Seeds’ S.A.G.E. phenotype which also exhibits the described trait.)

Sincerely,
Charles.

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Originally Posted by Charles Xavier
11-28-2007

Greetings Nspecta

Forgive me if my response seems churlish or petulant; most assuredly it is not my intent to be offensive and you have my freely-extended apology, if offense is taken. It is simply this: ChronicChris made an inquiry; I provided a response.

As I've stated: there are certainly other 'strains' referred to as 'Dogshit'. When you speak of the 'Portland cut' or the 'Humbolt cut', you are speaking of a specific (I presume) clone-only phenotype of an unknown hybrid; they very well may be the same 'cut'. I do not know, so I can not conclusively comment.

What I am speaking of are two independent inbred lines, one created in California and one created in Oregon; both called 'Dogshit' for the same (shared) plainly obvious reason. The California line dates to the early-Eighties, the Oregon line was created a few years later.

The lines are kept by a few dedicated and discerning cultivators (most of whom make me the object of good-natured ridicule because I attempt to disseminate information anonymously via the internet).

For the record: I did not "c[o]me up with those lineages"...I generally tend to only speak of what I know.

Sincerely,
Charles.

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Originally Posted by Charles Xavier
12-01-2007

Greetings Nspecta

I appreciated your measured response; so much so, I felt compelled to add to your 'reputation.' Well met.

Quote:
Chris was asking about, what I believe ta be, a specific cut from Humboldt....Nspecta
Of course; there is often more than a singular interpretation of a question; I had hoped my original post in response illustrated the difference between a definitive answer and the definitive answer.

Quote:
I'm curious as to whether tha California lineage you posted could be tha DogShit that I'm familiar with. Possibly a selection made from tha line a decade or so ago?....Nspecta

It is certainly possible. The line is still alive and the keepers are as generous as permissible; this, coupled with the circulating descriptions of the Humbolt/Portland specimen lends credence to the speculation that 'the specimen' might be genetically derivative of the California line.

Quote:
Also...I have a small selection of an old seed line I recieved as "Dog Turd"...prolly no relation ta what yer talkin' about...but...ya never know....Nspecta

I concur entirely.

I hope all the varieties you cultivate surpass expectation.

Sincerely,
Charles.

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Originally Posted by Charles Xavier
12-02-2007

Greetings o.g. kushman

Interesting; you know this how?

I do not ask this for the sake of raising your ire. Instead, if we are to be accountable as a community it behoves us to cease the dispensing of inaccuracies to the newer members of the commune. If we are to be taken seriously as a community, it is imperative that we do away with some of the things that make us seem less worthy of respect. Let us together, strive to be an enlightened community.

(I am aware that you were presenting an opinion; you should be aware that you were not presenting it as such.)

Allow me to dispense this amiable advice (accept it or no): My friend, do not speak of being able to definitively identify the genotype of a hybrid specimen simply by assessing its phenotypic traits; it conveys ignorance and makes you sound foolish. If you are offended by this advice, then I unreservedly apologize; this is not a personal attack, merely an observation tendered.

Sincerely,
Charles.

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Originally Posted by Charles Xavier
12-02-2007

Greetings o.g. kushman

Well responded; allow me to retort.

It is unfortunate that the insidiousness of prohibition manifest in its facilitation of propaganda. Coupled with the necessitated insular nature of illegal cultivation, it serves to create a mythos that can be distracting and misleading. This circumstance underscores the importance of cultivation forums; places where information can be shared. Of course, the problem then becomes; is this information reliable? It is plain to me that we are referring to different strains when we intonate Big Sur Holyweed (of course, I use intonate as a tongue in cheek reference to the rumour of Buddhists chanting around gardens of Holyweed in order to infuse it when zazen-like properties); your description of Holyweed is not reminiscent to me.

Big Sur Holyweed (mid-Seventies): Colombian Landrace (Pacific Coast) X Zacatecas Landrace (Purple) X Cambodian (Short-season) ... {X (potentially/unintentionally) Michoacán (?) X South Indian (Kerala?)} BX Colombian/Zacatecas F1.

Needless to say.... it's Sativa and it possesses the general traits of a 'typical' Sativa; including the flowering period, calyx structure, and Terpenoid {Cannabinoid} profile. When this Big Sur Holyweed was pollinated by selected Afghan specimens, the worked line was labelled 'Dogshit'. An aside: Not all Afghan-types are short-flowering Indicas; the majority of Afghan cultivars are actually mid to long flowering, with a few Sativa landraces as well. Blame prohibition; it creates an economic environment where demand and supply are imbalanced; and as you are no doubt aware (given your nom de guerre), in a misguided (dishonest) attempt to meet demand, the supply is often misrepresented.

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...if you have grown either of these two clones, or smoked them for that matter?....o.g. kushman
No.

However, I am familiar with the lines that I am commenting on.

Sincerely,
Charles.

 

[SpiderK]

lots of current history needs correcting.not much pure " haze " around these days unless you go ( went with ) Nevils line. N.H.... ( 75% pure haze )

OT1's Haze line used today is not pure .... Anyone saying they have his pure line is lying / misinformed. He lost his pure line in 1990 ......




Time 03:49, 26 Dec 1998
From oldtimer1

I don't have any pure haze mums any more I lost them 8 or 9 years ago to a Borg
attack. This is a point worth making all the sat vars that I have tried are very
susceptible to the two spot mite. So as far as growing sats are concerned a clean
house is needed. I did have loads of h seeds but over the years have given
them away and Iím sorry to say no one made a go of it with them. In our climate it
needs dedication and to be a good gardener to boot. To grow with tropicals
indoors and under lighting, well totally different techniques are needed but to my
mind they are worth it. This year I have passed on most of what I had left of my h
seed stock to a friend and if he is successful the strain may carry on we will see. I
do have some mums from a series of crosses made between h and ss of which hd
is one, its my fav smoke and takes 9 to 10 w on 12 h. I have great respect for
Nevil and if the fastest is 14 weeks there isn't much nl in there. Small mottled
seeds sound like the right thing too, they sound like a good bet to me and well
worth trying. The main prob with haze is with so much inbreeding you only get 5 to
10% of really exceptional ones so loads need growing to get a really good one. I
suspect Nevil crossed h to a non dom nl then back crossed to h again the idea
being to remove the inbreeding depression without affecting the haze character.
This is only supposition but its the route I would take if I had the space and the
time.

Ot1

 

[jipp]

i always enjoy these post from the past. always interesting reading.. but man some of them dudes need to lay off the big words to get there point across.. sometimes it had merit but most times it was unneeded and rather boring to read in some of these conversation from way back when.

hope you are having a great day bro.
chjris.

 

[SpiderK]

@chris history is important when deriving the reason some strains are great and some are not ...... & why.

In one of Charles Xavier post he " un-dresses " the hype train if you read carefully. Very eloquent indeed.Like this old post from OT1....

Very, very suspect today as he ( OT1 ) was the person making the hybrids, not wolfman ~ ( the link for haze for some ) ( CW / Wolfman ) comes online claiming these hybrids are his. 2000ish ..... along with a pure line of OT1 Haze.

#1-Ot1 lost all his haze plants in 1990. #2- He made lots of cross himself and passed many of these crosses in 1990-1998. #3-Only one guy / last person gifted pure haze seeds.1998 In OT1 other post above, he comments regarding the " look " of true haze seeds. small, almost clear pale.

The Haze seeds being marketed today do not taste like the older haze, seeds do not match OT!'s specific criteria, high does not match. Nevil's Haze at least the original 90's version is the best / pure line you will find. And the very proof is in the original N.L. 5 x Haze, SSH, all the other cup winners born from this line of Haze from Nevil...... And OT1 says as much in the post above he made in 1998.

So as I'm searching for pure lines for work today it becomes important for me, others, not so much ..... the history still inside certain lines ( seeds ) waiting for an " un-locking " with the proper environment and care. Think Luther Burbank.

Have a good one bro-

 

[jipp]

@chris history is important when deriving the reason some strains are great and some are not ...... & why.

In one of Charles Xavier post he " un-dresses " the hype train if you read carefully. Very eloquent indeed.Like this old post from OT1....

Very, very suspect today as he ( OT1 ) was the person making the hybrids, not wolfman ~ ( the link for haze for some ) ( CW / Wolfman ) comes online claiming these hybrids are his. 2000ish ..... along with a pure line of OT1 Haze.

#1-Ot1 lost all his haze plants in 1990. #2- He made lots of cross himself and passed many of these crosses in 1990-1998. #3-Only one guy / last person gifted pure haze seeds.1998 In OT1 other post above, he comments regarding the " look " of true haze seeds. small, almost clear pale.

The Haze seeds being marketed today do not taste like the older haze, seeds do not match OT!'s specific criteria, high does not match. Nevil's Haze at least the original 90's version is the best / pure line you will find. And the very proof is in the original N.L. 5 x Haze, SSH, all the other cup winners born from this line of Haze from Nevil...... And OT1 says as much in the post above he made in 1998.

So as I'm searching for pure lines for work today it becomes important for me, others, not so much ..... the history still inside certain lines ( seeds ) waiting for an " un-locking " with the proper environment and care. Think Luther Burbank.
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Have a good one bro-

i love history. i would agree its important. you need know what you are working with. i went back and read through the posts again.. now i know what was going on. it makes much more sense.. unfortunately with out the posts he was responding too, i have no idea why he chose the words he did.

but you are correct it dose read smooth.. he has skills, i should of paid attention in english class.. who would of thought 20+ years later id be communicating with it. laughs.


yeah bro, we both will have a good day.

bowl up,
chris.

 

[SpiderK]

So ...

Nevil crosses haze and n.l 5 ect comes up with winners ..... SSH, Jack Herer Amnesia, Soma, ect ... cup winner

Clackamas Coot makes blue orca a dead ringer for bubba kush a true breeder acting like an ibl w/ crossed. His keeper the one from the same cross with afghan/thai looked like n.l. 5 / haze , ssh ect ..... just a random lucky cross that turned up F1 keepers.

Then you have Dog Shit as a cross of BSHW that matches the lineage of the original haze line in some ways with a Afghan that putting out special plants. F1's ....

A clear Vibe developing ~ IBL's crossed together producing true F1 hybrids can spit out some very unique stuff ..... And on the male side, P1 carried on for 40 + years on the N.H. now mix in other ibl / heirloom limited allele disturbance .....

F1's and F'2 should hold some gold but until the kids are grown, the 1 on 1 / keeper will only be guess upon as a male may look good but who knows. But I'm into selecting by keeper that grows before me and sticks out .... but, until each one is tested not really sure. But you always have winners from day one from seed that perform great, look the best, branching it just screams keeper. And when making a hybrid, plenty of his genetics passed on.

If your carrying on a strain like dr. xues then i'll do an open pollination ..... selecting for my environment at 42º outdoor. The more you can unlock the genetic potential the better it gets ....

You can see in my Blue Orca Haze male the genetic keys on display in a true F1 hybrid derived ibl sibs..... picture worth a thousand words if you can read it.