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OK man... you are NUTS! I like it.
No to the insulation sandwich! Just put the roof and insulate the top.
Yes to relocating that twist fluorescent to inside the the room (should take 20 minutes) and changing it out for a green party floro. Something like this:
So you blow money here and there, why not just get a second A/C? As for a booster fan and carbon filter on the exhaust, I would worry about that since Carbon Filters loose effectiveness at higher temps. I assume the exhaust from the A/C would be higher.
As for your room being temporary... who are you kidding? That's not temporary! If you are serious about temporary, save yourself the hassle and cost. Buy as big of a tent as you can fit and cut your losses. If you come to terms with your permanent room, keep framing and get that garage door side of the room framed insulated and done!
Forget the Icebox ideas all together, you got too much going on!
You are spending SO much on this setup for PVC is it worth it? Set it and forget it! And in case the add disappears...
If you were my customer I would push you in that direction for a couple reasons, mainly you are loosing a lot of time and don't have much help for construction! I'm not sure you'll be done in time!
Here is what I recommend...
1.) Grow some moms meng!!! put those in some bigger pots and help them get bigger. You're going to need them big regardless of where Mr. Fickle takes you!
2.) Because you've already gone the route you've gone with A/C, stop f'n around and get a second one!
3.) Buy as big of a tent that will fit in your room. If needed, split into two smaller tents!
4.) Start growing again! Throw the two A/C's in the tent, drop the two eco systems in.
5.) Go to a psychiatrist to take care of your phonophobia, or just read up on duct mufflers... and while you're at it, get one in combination with a fan and charcoal filter:
http://www.horticulturesource.com/a...ion=1&osCsid=6efd7ee3be82065ea6e1ccff3f15da3f
5.) Turn the A/C's on. Put that filter in the garage and vent it the outside to create the negative pressure in the room so it will remove the smell issues.
6.) If you bought the tents, take the wood you bought and that door and fuel a fire pit.. but on a serious note, take the A/C Vents and dump them into the bigger garage room. Take the carbon filter and put it NEAR the exhaust. Exhaust that vent to the outside somewhere.
AFTER you are up and running, go back to considering your sealed environment in the tents and decide if it's worth it over a bowl of freshly dried herb... :bong2:
7.) Worry about what you will do to keep the room warm in a couple months when the lights are off! maybe run the two tents on a flop and maybe the heat from the lights would vent into the garage to help keep the space warm?
Once the room is up and running, spend 5 minutes on electrical sites and switch your own outlets to 220! Take pics of your braker box and go to the electrical threads on RIU or hit me up... Do this AFTER you are up and running!
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As far as the insulation goes, good to know - so "attic" (R-30, 6" thick) insulation laid across the ceiling "bare" would work pretty well for me? Just make sure it's pressed down well and I don't have to cover it?
As far as moving that ceiling light - hopefully that won't be much of a problem - not sure about how to move the "switch" to outside the grow room, but I assume I can figure that out - moving the actual light down should be as easy as unscrewing some screws.
Why do you think I need a second A/C? Last night (while tossing and turning) I realized that my idea of adding a 1K in there wouldn't work because of a lack of available power - so that's ~3000 watts (taking into account the veg tent and dehumidifier) being cooled by a 14KBTU AC - that should work, no?
Also, regarding the carbon filter - I agree that it sounds like a bad idea on the exhaust of the portable A/C, so here's the new idea:
Put my two ozone generators and the filter with fan in the garage where the dirty air gets exhausted to, and don't mess around at all with the ducting on the AC - allow it to dump "stinky" air into the small remainder of the garage, and have the filter and ozone generators located right where the exhaust comes out - sound like a plan with a reasonable chance of success?
I'm guessing that the "remainder" of the garage is ~600 cubic feet - what size fan would I need to make sure there's adequate negative pressure? I'd think a 170CFM fan would be sufficient, but I can step up to a 425CFM if that is needed.
... Long story short, sticking with the DIY octagon plan (for now :dull)
... I'm wishing I wouldn't have bought that EZ - I'm drunk on eBay too much and linking your eBay to your Paypal so you only have to click your mouse twice and you've bought something is bad news for an impulsive person like myself.
2) Still waiting to hear about why you think I need a bigger AC - even though I have this one sitting in my kitchen, if there's a compelling reason it's not worthwhile, it's unopened and I can ship it back.
Also, for security reasons last night (and me thinking the AC could pretty easily keep up with the lighting), I was thinking of keeping the ballasts inside the grow room - guess I should definitely move them into the "empty" area of the garage, huh?
Honestly, still haven't totally given up on the idea of saying "screw" AC and going with a 6" 425CFM for intake and a 10", 1000CFM for exhaust - I wouldn't be able to keep the room in the same tight temperature band that I would with AC, but I'd also be saving about 1000 watts of power. The CO2 would get exhausted more often, but with a natural gas line in there, I'm not real worried about that.
3) Not sure what I'm doing with tents - might buy a 4x4 (even though I just sold mine like a dumbass) for my moms and clones - have them in a 2x4 right now but I don't think that's large enough mom area to get the # of clones I'm gonna need - gonna stick with a 400 watt light in either case, though.
4) I'm growing in my "workout" room right now in a 2x4 tent - it's all I've got available to me at this point - girl is not letting me take over any more rooms in the house.
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And as far as switching the outlets to 220V, IF that's something I can do (don't think it is, electrical scares me and I'm not sure if I have the necessary breaker slots anyways), that'd definitely be something I'd do sooner rather than later - wanna try to get as much of this done before any plants go in there as possible - not trying to do major structural/electrical upgrades between harvests if I can help it...
Yeah, unfortunately ANY smell is unacceptable to me, so I've gotta get that figured out first and foremost, but I'm confident that I can throw enough filters and ozone at it (assuming the room is fully sealed) that I'll be able to handle it.
So, back to my lunatic self.........have decided that I'm gonna make the octagon 6 levels and 84 sites, and light it with 3 600s - plenty of lighting power for the size, and I should be able to pull 3 pounds off of that fairly easily.
Also going to hedge my bets and run a 600 next to it over an E&F table (one of my 2x4 trays, *maybe* - see below) using the SCROG technique - don't wanna put all my eggs in the vertical basket, and in the winter when the AC won't be running that much, I can add another horizontal 600 and my other 2x4 tray (if I so desire).
Or should I use both of my 2x4 trays for the 600? Even though it comes out to EXACTLY 40 watts/sq foot (the trays are only 44", not 48"), the fact that it will be next to the octagon and receiving light from that as well should give me sufficient light for that setup, no?
EDIT: Integra and/or Boom, you could help me out here - even though the trays are 2x4, I could make the screen any size I wanted, right? So I could do a 3x4 screen over a 2x4 table with a 600 pretty easily, no?
If I use both 2x4 trays, then I'd get a linear light mover and run it as a 2x8 table (I think).
I know I'm fucking nuts guys...........somebody help me out here with some direction so I can get some sleep and stop playing around with configurations in my head.
Been super busy with what I think is a valid excuse - my girlfriend is now pregnant :party0044:
Anyways, been hella busy with that and haven't made much progress on the garage front, but that's gonna change - going to be done early next week, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Sorry for the delay, but I'll post pics when everything's rocking and rolling in there - decided to go with plywood opposed to drywall.
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