4x4 Auto Apple Fritter grow

[JIMKSI64]

Noon check all pots getting light but not yet. Adjusted tops and majority at 40k. Smaller plant tops 21k.

Got my totes for recycling soil. 4 7.5 gallon snap lock hds. Bought hopefully my last 4 bags of dirt. On termination of this grow divide the buckets up and cook me some pot soil. Going to just match numbers on the happy frog.
Have decided that I no longer hate autos they just took a few seeds to learn some lessons on how to treat them. Get the lights up early as they take it with the first 3 weeks setting the tone. Remember the DLI rule you can not run any plant at same lux for 18 hours as you ran for 12 hours. Sounds really silly saying that out loud.
The virtual level canopy continues to work. On the larger plants you can see bud sites in a bowl in the middle of the plant stem area. Even 11 inches below the tops it still gets 32k lux. This is where the hot spot is on the par map for the light and the wings let me tailor the pattern.


Also have decided to snake another auto run between vacation and Xmas with a photo run after the new year. Gunna see how much I can learn about autos.

 

[AKM]

Nice! Tell me about the water you use, any bloom nutes? Checking pH? Watering to runoff, all that?

I'm running two Phylos Rocket Juices, first auto's I've grown that look almost identical to each other...and on track to harvest at the advertised 68 days. Also started two ILGM Runtz, one stayed small and nicely branched, thick buds...the other got super scraggly with airy buds--moved her to the garden to fend for herself, lol.

 

[JIMKSI64]

I have an RO buddy type reverse osmosis filter that drops ppm from 450 to 4.
For nutes I am using a pour during flower called foop.
https://thefoop.com/pages/learn-more-about-foop-nutes
Add to water at specs and adjust to 6.3 pH.
In seedling and veg I use fox farms and a top dress of fox farms soil conditioner. It appears that this bag has all the EWC in the top as I noticed it and decided not to amend it with more. Still turned one plant angry Ork green .
In an organic grow if you water to drain you are washing out the nutes. I still get drainage but it is more side drainage when the plant gets hydrophobic.
I pH water only after adding nutes as the " pH load" of water is kind of a lie. Water has very little ability to move pH in soil.
Foop is a living organizm. It has a sugar part that turns on the nutes. At the highest feed rate ( week 4-7 ) pH goes down to 4.4 pH. Not adjusting that would be a disaster.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update.
Feed all pots. Smaller pots1 liter foop nutes at week one adjusted to 6.26 and larger pots 1.4 liters foop qt 6.33
Using knex cause I have a tub of them to support buds and wire to hild down. Most tops at 40k and with growth some lowers have fallen under 20k and after 2 weeks are still tiny so I am culling the deep downs. most of these are within 2 inches of dirt and I was hoping for some stretch but nope.
Also checked my data. I find it weird that the most time apent at a single temp and its a lot is
76.2
Or as I call it a REAL rifle round.
76.2 was also the upgrade for the Sherman and the original gun for the M18 Hellcat.

 

[aggiefarmer]

Been Following along. My first time indoors. Second try at growing something.

The amount of detail you provide is amazing.

One thing I have noticed your VPD is staying consistently lower than mine but we are at around the same temps and humidity. Honestly I had never even heard of VPD until recently and have not really learned what it is but I know it’s important lol!

 

[JIMKSI64]

Been Following along. My first time indoors. Second try at growing something.

The amount of detail you provide is amazing.

One thing I have noticed your VPD is staying consistently lower than mine but we are at around the same temps and humidity. Honestly I had never even heard of VPD until recently and have not really learned what it is but I know it’s important lol!

I use a factor on my app that allows me to set a leaf temp offset. I myself do not believe in actually trying to use a measurement because using a resistance type sensor with a known error of +-1 degree and then using an infrared non contact with its own accuracy issues it would yield no useful data. I use it to set a number I like such as 1.4 and I use this to tell if my plants are in the zone.
You have seen my apps. By getting vpd stable withing .10 and I am regularly .06 It maximizes transperation. In fact I can actually see the plants start up. The humidity add from the app gets lower and lower with less time on and more off. When all the plants are doing well I normally have to turn the cloudforge down to 1 or it over swings.
My key take way from this run is stabilizing my lung room. Fans and a register booster and an in room 30 pint and a whole basement 50 pint both on auto drains and the air I pull in is a constant 67~68 f and 42-44 % Rh
Now with every grow tent company coming out with heaters and humidifiers and now AC units it's a great time to grow weed.

 

[AKM]

76.2mm = 3", lol, helluva kick!
Your first and second pics, the two older plants. Same strain started same day?

 

[JIMKSI64]

76.2mm = 3", lol, helluva kick!
Your first and second pics, the two older plants. Same strain started same day?

Nope. It's in the journal. Sad story of gnants and the dreaded neem protocol. I bought a bag of gnants that had some dirt in it. Lost 2 plants and the first 2 had a rough go of it. 3 weeks apart.The 2 big are the same age and the 2 smaller are the same age. Yes these phenos have lots of expressions. Like kids.

 

[Oldchucky]

Update.
Feed all pots. Smaller pots1 liter foop nutes at week one adjusted to 6.26 and larger pots 1.4 liters foop qt 6.33
Using knex cause I have a tub of them to support buds and wire to hild down. Most tops at 40k and with growth some lowers have fallen under 20k and after 2 weeks are still tiny so I am culling the deep downs. most of these are within 2 inches of dirt and I was hoping for some stretch but nope.
Also checked my data. I find it weird that the most time apent at a single temp and its a lot is
76.2
Or as I call it a REAL rifle round.
76.2 was also the upgrade for the Sherman and the original gun for the M18 Hellcat.

7.62! Nitpicking!

 

[aggiefarmer]

I use a factor on my app that allows me to set a leaf temp offset. I myself do not believe in actually trying to use a measurement because using a resistance type sensor with a known error of +-1 degree and then using an infrared non contact with its own accuracy issues it would yield no useful data. I use it to set a number I like such as 1.4 and I use this to tell if my plants are in the zone.
You have seen my apps. By getting vpd stable withing .10 and I am regularly .06 It maximizes transperation. In fact I can actually see the plants start up. The humidity add from the app gets lower and lower with less time on and more off. When all the plants are doing well I normally have to turn the cloudforge down to 1 or it over swings.
My key take way from this run is stabilizing my lung room. Fans and a register booster and an in room 30 pint and a whole basement 50 pint both on auto drains and the air I pull in is a constant 67~68 f and 42-44 % Rh
Now with every grow tent company coming out with heaters and humidifiers and now AC units it's a great time to grow weed.

Yeah I’m going to have to do a lot of rereading as I begin to understand more.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update.
overnight numbers and todays 1 hour transition

 

[JIMKSI64]

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update.
Balanced canopies and spread out the smaller plants which are not so small anymore.
42ktops 26k lowest sites
Smaller plants 23k.
Based on time this the day for preflower emergence. Plant will let me know. Both these plants are about 50% bigger than first 2 plants for the same time frame. I am sure it is due to the better ( not more ) light settings.
If the smaller plants flowe up soon that gives me 11 weeks to get them dried and in jars.
Pots ok looks like tomorrow am for feed for all plants.
But we will check again.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Last night with very stable temp and humidity I decided to zero point sensors. So at 2am I am moving sensor wires into the same place with my calibration tools.
I have a fluke88 with a pyro kit. It has both touch and airflow sensors and is used to dial in temp. Humidity I use comparative math from the sensors it's self. With 7 app sensors and 3 cubes I throw out the high and the low and average the rest then calibrate sensors and reinstall in place.
One again the leaders for the adjustments were the cheap ass growee cubes. The loser was the Vivosun sensors mounted in the app case. I still adjust them but I do not use the data provided for anything.
While it was stabilizing I did the PH pen also.
Back to zero day is complete.
Will check on plants about 9am and I suspect a feeding also

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update
Watered only larger plants. 1.4 liters foop at week 3 strength. Due to size and expense this is the highest nute strength I am going to use. Plant is 50% the size of my photo run.
Week 4 was also the point I rasied my lights to the highest point if the grow. Using dli conversions I am at 38 right now but below saturation level at 40k lux. Will maintain this for Balance of the run.
Adjusting nutes today was a one shot adjustment. Same total measurements as last week. This is important due to something I had happen last run. At week 4-7 the nute rate is the same. On about the 4th feeding at this rate suddenly my ph was not corrected. It was going to take another 3ml of up. WTF same water amount same nutes same awesome graduated cylinder work W T F.
So instead of adjusting I did an out of sequence PH pen calibration and it was off by .8 Inspection found a sliver of organic in the 7.0 fluid so then I just refilled the solutions. Point being same+same+same = different is what in avation accedent lingo a failure point. It is a reason to look for another answer.

Write Down Everything.
cause yer prolly high readin this cause I was high writing this.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Of the 2 newer plants taller plant showing. Smaller plant doin fine
Fed small plants 1.0 liter foop at week one. pH 6.28
Got my other 2 150watt units above small plants and adjusted to 23k lux. The side facing the big light has 23k down to the dirt due to sidelight from big panel. Lights balanced at 40k tops for older plants.
Now let's see what temps do with another 100 watts does to heat control.

 

[JIMKSI64]

And 25 minutes after service we are at .04 VDP wave.

 

[JIMKSI64]

Update
So the bud count showing sugar is now 9 tops. At this point I am riding here on temp. Plan has always been a 75 degrees landing as many studies have shown damage to the various tricome byproducts that make this plant so awesome.
Will have to increase airflow into lung room or set whole house to 69 degrees. I want to stay below setting 6 on duct fan as this gives me a tornado in the tent that kicks stuff around and wind burn is a thing

 

[JIMKSI64]

Apps data

 

[AKM]

So, by my count, your Apples are at 54 days, depending in when you start counting. Looking awesome, I ran two Rocket Juice and two Runtz (autos), planted April 16th, so just few days before you. The Rocket Juices are getting harvested this weekend. One of the Runtz fizzled out and grew long larfy branches, the other Runtz looks exactly like your Apple Fritters, progressing almost the same. I have lots more yellow leaves than you! Good job tweaking things and thanks for taking the time to post, invaluable for new and old growers.