707finishers first indoor grow, small tent.

[Beachwalker]

I started to get it under control, once it’s under 6 it seems to take longer to creep up, I got it down further like almost 5 and it was 5.8 after I got home But hasn’t changed for a while

In a half an hour I'm going to check mine it's been 12 hours it went in at 6.4, I'm curious to see what it is?!

Edit:

 

[707finisher]

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You might recall that the pH scale can be used to gauge the concentration of an acid. This scale is actually directly linked to the amount of hydrogen ions in a solution. The greater the number of hydrogen ions in a given volume, the lower the pH will be (the pH scale typically runs from 0 to 14). Because the scale is logarithmic, for every drop of one whole unit in pH, the hydrogen ion concentration increases tenfold.


ahhhhhh so if I get it lower like 5.5 it’s 10times as acidic as 6.5 or so I think, so it’s much easier to maintain the lower ph, even though initially it takes more ph down.

 

[707finisher]

So what increases your 6.4 to 7.4 would only increase a solution of 5.5 to 5.6 or so in theory, everywhere I’ve read says ph creep happens no matter what for so many reasons I stopped reading about that.
man this has helped me understand so much better!! Thanks @Beachwalker for talking to me about it!!

 

[MIMedGrower]

In a half an hour I'm going to check mine it's been 12 hours it went in at 6.4, I'm curious to see what it is?!

Edit:

Your source water is only 100 ppm?

Trying to get my head around this.

Where is @cemchris ?

 

[Beachwalker]

But that still doesn't explain how it stays 6-4 in The Jug but that same water went from 6.4 to the top of the scale??

Eh.. I'm smoking a joint of gorilla glue Watching Project Blue Book chilling so I don't give a rat's ass I changed the water that's all I can do I'll change it every 12 hours I don't give a shit I'll figure it out eventually or die trying don't mean nothing

I dropped it to 6 like you mentioned above in 12 hours I'll take another reading and post it we'll figure this out my friend ...I think I don't know 50/50 maybe right now? LOL

Edit: yes my tap is 95 - 100ppm or less all the time

 

[707finisher]

But that still doesn't explain how it stays 6-4 in The Jug but that same water went from 6.4 to the top of the scale??

Eh.. I'm smoking a joint of gorilla glue Watching Project Blue Book chilling so I don't give a rat's ass I changed the water that's all I can do I'll change it every 12 hours I don't give a shit I'll figure it out eventually or die trying don't mean nothing

I dropped it to 6 like you mentioned above in 12 hours I'll take another reading and post it we'll figure this out my friend ...I think I don't know 50/50 maybe right now? LOL

Edit: yes my tap is 95 - 100ppm or less all the time

The plants are absorbing and using the minerals that create the acidity, causing the ph to rise as the nutrients deplete, that’s why your jug stays the same :) it’s more noticeable at a higher ph because the amount of minerals is 10 times less per ph point

 

[707finisher]

So at 5.5 they have 10 times as much available minerals and it takes longer for them to absorb it all

 

[707finisher]

They might have an easier time absorbing a natural acid like citric acid idk, I struggled with lemon juice and gave up.

 

[707finisher]

the instructions on the coco plugs I bought was soak them in ph 5.5 water and squeeze out excess.

This gives me an idea, I want to swap the water out in my cloner anyway. I will lower 150ppm water 7ph down to 5.2 with ghph down, and measure the ppm. Then I will monitor the ph and ppm over a week and as they use the ppm record the results, 400-500 ppm I’ve read is ok for clones. I will record the ml it takes to lower it as well.

here’s my idea, bloom is acidic anyway, I’m going to use bloom to adjust the ph after it starts to rise, keeping it at 5.5-6. I’ll use a tiny bit of superthrive, it has .5 nitro on the front and has b1.

4) Veg or bloom nutrients? Something with phosphorus (for rooting) and nitrogen?
As long as you're taking cuttings from a healthy mother plant (and what else would you take cuttings from?) there's really no need to use nutrients during the cloning process. A cutting is developing roots because it's searching for food. If you try to feed something that doesn't have a mouth yet, you're defeating the purpose. Cuttings root perfectly fine with some IBA's and Vitamin B-1.

or so I read lol

 

[707finisher]

Some serious science whew, that’s enough for one day

 

[707finisher]

@MIMedGrower when you take cuttings you just stick in water and change it all the time right?

 

[MIMedGrower]

@MIMedGrower when you take cuttings you just stick in water and change it all the time right?

No I just top it off and change it maybe once a week or if it gets cloudy.

Im not in a hurry though. Looks like the cuttings are taking over 3 weeks to show roots this time. And then i still have to root them in a cup of dirt.

 

[Beachwalker]

The plants are absorbing and using the minerals that create the acidity, causing the ph to rise as the nutrients deplete, that’s why your jug stays the same :) it’s more noticeable at a higher ph because the amount of minerals is 10 times less per ph point

Not in my case, don't forget I'm cloning there are no roots yet

 

[Beachwalker]

So from 10 last night to 6 a.m. this morning the pH went up like a rocket again..

The good news is I took out a variable being the light as that was the dark period. So what else is left?

the tray which is been cleaned and bleached ad nauseam or the inert plastic pots, or the perlite/vermiculite mix?

..I don't know, but until I find out I'm going to add one drop of PH down every 6- 8 hours

Here's The Jug that it came out of which has been sitting for a couple days stll 6.4, I checked it just to be sure I'm not going crazy here lol

The good news is my seed starting mix is working I've got a Blackberry Bubblegum seedling

and I got roots on this gorilla glue gunslinger cross that was actually in my last tray,

the top of it was wilted so I didn't keep it I don't even know if I'm going to put them into flower?

but my point is aside from this pH issue, aside from that right lol! beside the bullet wound how you feeling today Jimmy? right..! forget about it

Need @Aqua Man

 

[MIMedGrower]

So from 10 last night to 6 a.m. this morning the pH went up like a rocket again..View attachment 932494

The good news is I took out a variable being the light as that was the dark period. So what else is left?

the tray which is been cleaned and bleached ad nauseam or the inert plastic pots, or the perlite/vermiculite mix?

..I don't know, but until I find out I'm going to add one drop of PH down every 6- 8 hours

Here's The Jug that it came out of which has been sitting for a couple days stll 6.4, I checked it just to be sure I'm not going crazy here lol
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The good news is my seed starting mix is working I've got a Blackberry Bubblegum seedling View attachment 932496and I got roots on this gorilla glue gunslinger cross that was actually in my last tray,
View attachment 932500 the top of it was wilted so I didn't keep it I don't even know if I'm going to put them into flower?

but my point is aside from this pH issue, aside from that right lol! beside the bullet wound how you feeling today Jimmy? right..! forget about it

Need @Aqua Man

You showed us the perlite but not the vemiculite. Is there something added to either like miracle grow does?

Bubbling tap water can raise the ph because of calcium carbonate. I have even seen the calcium come out of solution with air stones with my well water.

Just brainstorming trying to help.

 

[Beachwalker]

You showed us the perlite but not the vemiculite. Is there something added to either like miracle grow does?

Bubbling tap water can raise the ph because of calcium carbonate. I have even seen the calcium come out of solution with air stones with my well water.

Just brainstorming trying to help.

Thanks appreciate it today I start searching on the net because obviously I'm over my skis on this one!? simplest thing too and I can't figure this one out??

Not Miracle-Gro plus I've been using this bag for 4 years lol

although reading it it gave me a good idea to mix it with the Pro mix instead of the perlite

That way don't have to let it stand in water at all, and I can stop worrying about this foolish thing LOL but I do like the way the perlite is self-watering in the tray

Edit: next water change I'm going to switch out the tray but all my trays are sanitized, scrubbed and rinsed before use

I'm going to check the pH in 15 minutes and see if it's changed after only 2 hours

 

[Beachwalker]

2 hours and it's up to 7 ..what the hell am I missing here???

707 I'm clogging your thread so I'm going to take it back to the beach house

if I figure out what it is I'll come back and post it but right now IDK??

@MIMedGrower not bubbling, just pouring 1 pint of 6.4/98ppm in the bottom of a 79° domed tray

These will root eventually, next tray I'm going to try the Pro mix / vermiculite mix and will turn the heat down to 74° so I don't cook them as quick!

 

[707finisher]

Not in my case, don't forget I'm cloning there are no roots yet

They don’t need roots to absorb the minerals, it goes in through the skin and stems, osmosis or whatever idk I just did the research, the clones absorb the acidic minerals because they are using it to form the roots and stay alive. it’s ok I’m done talking about it lol.

 

[707finisher]

2 hours and it's up to 7 ..what the hell am I missing here???
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707 I'm clogging your thread so I'm going to take it back to the beach house

if I figure out what it is I'll come back and post it but right now IDK??

@MIMedGrower not bubbling, just pouring 1 pint of 6.4/98ppm in the bottom of a 79° domed tray

These will root eventually, next tray I'm going to try the Pro mix / vermiculite mix and will turn the heat down to 74° so I don't cook them as quick!

It will continue to spike quickly if you don’t drop it to 5 ph, It takes 10 times longer to rise at one point lower ph

 

[707finisher]

It will continue to spike quickly if you don’t drop it to 5 ph, It takes 10 times longer to rise at one point lower ph

I’m changing my water this morning after all the reading. I am goin

2 hours and it's up to 7 ..what the hell am I missing here???
View attachment 932510

707 I'm clogging your thread so I'm going to take it back to the beach house

if I figure out what it is I'll come back and post it but right now IDK??

@MIMedGrower not bubbling, just pouring 1 pint of 6.4/98ppm in the bottom of a 79° domed tray

These will root eventually, next tray I'm going to try the Pro mix / vermiculite mix and will turn the heat down to 74° so I don't cook them as quick!

test your ppm of the water fresh, 90-100, add your ph method, test the ppm again, add your clones in the water, wait till it spikes again and test the ppm, that will show you if they are using the nutrients in the tap water